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Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP

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Re: Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP 

Post#41 » by zzaj » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:39 pm

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Shem wrote:So making up reasons to hate on him that are illogical is the way to go?


Whose decision was it to bench both players, even though they had been playing well (Scoot in particular)?

It's called rotations.

Walton1one wrote:Whose decision was it to bench Sharpe for lackluster defense, yet no repercussions for a worse defender in Simons?

I'll give that one. However, just note that just about every head coach in the league plays politics when it comes to rotations when it comes to star players. When you get that huge contract after you graduate from your rookie contract, the rules change for those types of players. It takes a lot more to get yourself out of the rotation. Changing coaches won't solve that league wide issue.

Walton1one wrote:Whose decision was it to play Scoot with 3 fouls in the first half, which led to him picking up his 4th before halftime?

But you were the one complaining about his 4 points. Scoot still fouled in in 13 minutes no matter how much you want to spin this.

Walton1one wrote:Whose decision was it play, yet again, heavy minutes to Grant (34) & Simons (32), while Sharpe played 24?
and you bring up Sharpe shooting 3-11 as reason for fewer minutes, yet Simons goes 0-9 and plays 30min, 3-12 & plays 32min. etc...

Again, you blamed Billips for Sharpe only scoring 7 points. I pointed out he shot poorly is why. Now you're expanding the argument to the amount of minutes even though Sharpe didn't play that well. Had Sharpe played better, he would have gotten more minutes. That's how it goes. Like how he got 33 minutes against the Bulls even though he came off the bench. And it's because he played well.

Walton1one wrote:If you like Billups and Simons so much, then just admit it, but don't go saying I am "making up reasons", especially when the evidence is there for all to see, if you just bothered to open your eyes

I like how he connects with the players. In a rebuilding era, tensions are high when there is a lot of losing. Angry and frustrated players come with the territory. Many will start tuning out the coach and eventually lose the locker room. That hasn't happened in the case. The players love him. That's hard to replace and why he hasn't been fired yet. Meanwhile, it's going to take another year or so before the winning happens if the Blazers draft well. In the meantime, you want a coach that the players listen to.

As someone who has played basketball at the college level, I can tell you I've seen so many of the good and the bad when it comes to locker rooms. This is why I can appreciate someone like Billips in the situation the Blazers are in.

The problem with a lot of people is they overvalue the roster of their team. When the team doesn't perform to the expectations of the fan, they think you just change the coach and all of a sudden the team will be the winners they believe they should be.

Let's just put it this way, Phil Jackson couldn't make this roster a playoff team. Look at Popovich. The Spurs have missed the playoffs the last 5 straight years. Before that, the Spurs only missed the playoffs 4 times in 43 seasons. Let's not forget that the Spurs blew the most 10 point leads in the NBA last year (sound familiar)? Do you blame Pop for that? Think about how far back this team would be set had they not landed the Wemby pick? Just a reminder that some of the the rebuilding success has luck behind it.

I can guarantee if Popovich's started coaching in 2020 with the Spurs, people like you in the fan base would have been calling for his head. The only reason Pop gets a pass is because of his past success with very talented teams. Did you know that the year the Spurs won the title in '99, Pop almost got fired that year. They started out slow and there was a game where if the Spurs had lost again, he would have been fired. Fans were calling for his head. Instead they won and he kept his job and rest is history.


All due respect, Shem...I think you're missing the temperature of the posts.

A group of us DOESN'T WANT Billups, or Jackson, or Pop to make this team overachieve.

What they want is the young players to play and develop under a coach that will give them minutes with an actual identity...we're not overvaluing the roster, we understand that in order to get a cornerstone piece out of Sharpe or Scoot it's going to take real game minutes. AND in order to have the BEST chance at achieving a cornerstone piece, it's going to take not allowing Ayton, Grant, and Simons to secure wins and kill any chance of that.

Now last night's game was a bit of an anomaly. Scoot in early foul trouble, the whole team playing defensively out of their minds, and Orlando playing weird-fitting and bad with players coming back after injury. Also, the game was allowed to be played very physical on both ends, but especially on Portland's end.

Last thing I'll say is that I sorta understand about the Sharpe benching. Sure, there is some talking-out-of-both-sides-of-his-mouth, if Billups is benching Sharpe for lack of effort on defense, yet Simons runs free...

Simons is in his 7th season and is 25 years old. That zebra isn't changing his stripes, no matter how much he's benched.

Sharpe is 21 years old. 4 years younger than Simons. He still has a chance to learn a lesson or two about what a good NBA player is on both sides of the ball.

Do I think it was a good idea? Hell no. Do I EVER want Sharpe's minutes to go to Simons, even if Sharpe is playing bad? Hell no. But I can at least understand the principle that may be at play with Sharpe's benching--you don't give advice to someone who already has their mind made up, you give advice to someone you believe has an opportunity for change.
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Re: Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP 

Post#42 » by Walton1one » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:12 pm

It's called rotations.


No, it is called a lame duck coach, favoring veteran players (at the expense of younger players) on a bad\rebuilding team. It is about a coach not rewarding a player (Scoot) who was playing well when thrust into the starting rotation, when he has repeatedly stated if a guy is playing well, they deserve to be rewarded.

Billups chose to start Camara at SG, coming back from missing a game & heaven forbid he ask one of the vets (Ant\Grant) to come off the bench for a few games, for fear of a bruised ego. You see, according to Billups, it is ok to have Avdija come off the bench when he is struggling (and even when he wasn't), even though he is a 5yr vet, or Scoot or Sharpe, all guys who are more likely to be long term pieces than any of the vets, but even contemplating to do the same with Ant\Grant for a few games is inconceivable.

and BTW, I wasn't the only one to bring up how having Scoot come off the bench given his recent play (let alone, given the state of this team) was dumb.


But you were the one complaining about his 4 points. Scoot still fouled in in 13 minutes no matter how much you want to spin this.


Do you think that this is the first time Billups has screwed up managing a players' foul situation\minutes\rotations? I have watched pretty much every game and I can tell you that he has made the same dumb mistake several times.

As for complaining about Scoot scoring 4pts. I think you missed the context of that post? I thought it was pretty apparent that I was referencing\criticizing (Billups\Cronin)

Again, you blamed Billips for Sharpe only scoring 7 points. I pointed out he shot poorly is why. Now you're expanding the argument to the amount of minutes even though Sharpe didn't play that well. Had Sharpe played better, he would have gotten more minutes. That's how it goes. Like how he got 33 minutes against the Bulls even though he came off the bench. And it's because he played well.


I gave you relevant examples of the hypocrisy of Billups as a coach. You stated Sharpe's shooting was bad, therefore he didn't deserve more minutes. I showed you examples of where another player\Simons (I can dig up multiple examples of Grant & Ayton if you want) had as bad or worse outings and didn't see his minutes reduced as a result. The double standard is real. Again, I say, in the long run what is more valuable to this team?

Playing vets heavy minutes in a lost season?
Playing your young lottery pick players in a lost season?

As for the rest...

A coach connecting with players and being well liked, while nice, is not very valuable on a team that is bad (28 losses in 44 games) and gets beaten badly most nights (14 losses by 20pts or more, 3rd worst point differential (-7.7) in the league). Nor does it make up for the complete incompetence of this team on offense (4th worst in OFF EFF @ 105.7, 5th worst in DEF EFF @ 114.1, isn't that a Billups strongsuit?). There is no reward for most well liked coach or nicest team.

Billups can't control the roster composition, but he can control the rotations, he can control the offense play calling, he can control the matchups etc., and he has been woeful at that. You bring up Popovich & Phil Jackson, two coaches who shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Billups. Could they make this roster a winning one? unlikely, but you can bet that they would have this team playing better than Billups does

Billups' record over the last 4 years is 97-193 (.33%). I don't know too many coaches, roster issues or not, that can survive with a putrid record like that, and yes firing him now and putting an interim in place would be better for the younger players on this team as well as this team's future.
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Re: Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP 

Post#43 » by Walton1one » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:39 pm

I may be criticizing Billups in this thread, and he deserves a lot of it, but ultimately IMO, the person who deserves the most criticism is Cronin. If the goal is to help the future of this franchise (Scoot\Sharpe) be the best that they can (as Cronin has stated) and Billups is not going along with it, then Cronin needs to step in, do his job & not give Billups that option

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Re: Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP 

Post#44 » by Shem » Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:00 am

Walton1one wrote:I may be criticizing Billups in this thread, and he deserves a lot of it, but ultimately IMO, the person who deserves the most criticism is Cronin. If the goal is to help the future of this franchise (Scoot\Sharpe) be the best that they can (as Cronin has stated) and Billups is not going along with it, then Cronin needs to step in, do his job & not give Billups that option


You do realize that scene from Moneyball didn't happen. Pena was in AAA when he was traded to the Tigers. There was no conspiracy to keep Hatteburg from playing 1B nor was he afraid of fielding grounders. Also there was no tension between Art Howe and Billy Beane. They were great friends. It was a fictional story based on real events and real people.
April 4, 2014:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:I never said Dallas was good as Portland


Earlier on December 8, 2013:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Re: Game 43: Portland vs Orlando 4:00 pm Chargetv and KUNP 

Post#45 » by Walton1one » Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:02 am

Oh man, it was just the concept.

You can't play Simons\Grant if they are not on the team....

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