Trade back for Lillard?

[JRoy]

Hate the idea like poison.

[Wizenheimer]

Take Grant and Simons for Dame to the Milwaukee board, lol.

I did

and?

[zzaj]

Hard for me to fathom that people are seriously considering this...the Bucks would OFC want their picks back.

The whole point (at least to my thinking) in getting picks so far out from the Bucks is to make sure they happen when the Bucks are retooling so that they are maximized. The Bucks right now are potentially on the precipice of doing just that...

Lillard may come back to that team, but they've obviously been playing way better without him and likely will be trading him. Giannis has been a beast in Lillard's absence, but there's nothing else there. If the team decides to trade Lillard and Giannis for as much draft capital and expirings as they can get, this sets up the Blazers perfectly.

I want Simons/Grant gone as much as anybody...but why, why, why would the Blazers choose to lose that advantage for the franchise?

[JasonStern]

If he gets stretched and released, absolutely. MLE him until he is ready to retire. He has earned that.
If the Blazers have to take on his contract, there should be major concerns on the rebuild plan. Right now, they just need to dump Grant and they are looking at max cap space to acquire talent and/or retain our existing players after next season.

[JasonStern]

Again, ignoring Dame, if Portland isn’t going to develop Scoot by giving him the starting role, who cares? They should move Scoot if they aren’t going to develop him or don’t believe in him anymore.

It’s a bit of a side tangent point, just **** or get off the pot with Scoot

Scoot is 21. Playing him 48 minutes a game for 82 games isn't going to magically make his game evolve. He needs an extensive amount of time with a shooting coach and a mentor PG to train with. Setting records for the league's worst +/- achieves nothing.

Hate Simons all you want, but he earned the starting role. Not sure why you punish him because you're praying Scoot pans out.

If anything, hate on Billups for being unable to develop a point guard. Or just accept that Scoot is likely just going to be an average player.

[Norm2953]

Bucks board is reporting Dame's clot is around 65% cleared which makes him a major health risk.

Doubtful any team would offer anything substantial for Dame

[Sinobas]

Bucks board is reporting Dame's clot is around 65% cleared which makes him a major health risk.

Doubtful any team would offer anything substantial for Dame

Huh? Most reports are predicting he'll probably be able to return for the playoffs.

The question is what is his risk to have this re-occur.

In a recent systematic review, VTE recurrence rates at 24 months were reported to be 3.3% (95% confidence interval [CI], 2.8-3.9), 0.7% (95% CI, 0-1.5), 4.2% (95% CI, 2.8-5.6), and 7.4% (95% CI, 6.5-8.2) per patient year in patients with a transient risk factor, a surgical risk factor, a nonsurgical risk factor, and unprovoked VTE, respectively.5

I don't know what category Lillard would fall under, I'd guess the first, but the long term risk isn't 0.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Assuming Dame’s health:
If the trade is Ayton + Simons = Dame + Connaughton (and any filler contract to make the dollars work) then I’m in.
If the trade is Grant + Simons = Dame + Connaughton, then I’m in.

It’s not what the Blazers need to improve, but a trade wouldn’t annoy me so long as the MIL picks aren’t included.

[dckingsfan]

Assuming Dame’s health:
If the trade is Ayton + Simons = Dame + Connaughton (and any filler contract to make the dollars work) then I’m in.
If the trade is Grant + Simons = Dame + Connaughton, then I’m in.

It’s not what the Blazers need to improve, but a trade wouldn’t annoy me so long as the MIL picks aren’t included.

This. And it changes the trajectory of both teams.

Milwaukee picks up two starters a PG & C.

Dame becomes the #1 offensively for the Blazers and they can run the 3 forward starting lineup making up for Dame's defensive liabilities.

If you could then package Connaughton and Sharpe to another team (that needs cap relief) for something meaningful - so much the better.

Milwaukee needs depth, so there might need to be a second trade to make it worth their while.

[Pattycakes]

We’re not gonna trade back for Lillard. It isn’t happening, he may sign here to retire one day… but seriously guys

[dckingsfan]

We’re not gonna trade back for Lillard. It isn’t happening, he may sign here to retire one day… but seriously guys

You may very well be right.

I do think that Milwaukee might well move away from Lillard. What they need is two starters for one - if you will.

I have been trying to think of other teams in need of a PG that also have a PG & another starter to come back in return. There are a few, Dallas but they can't make the salaries match. Detroit another but Cade is playing really well. Then it gets pretty thin...

So, I understand the speculation - but with most trade speculation, it is usually for naught.

[Sinobas]

We’re not gonna trade back for Lillard. It isn’t happening, he may sign here to retire one day… but seriously guys

Yeah, why would they want player who would bring us precisely what we need and also happens to be one of the most beloved players in franchise history...

[zzaj]

I've pivoted on the point of Simons...I feel like there's almost a 100% chance Cronin is going to overpay him. In that case, if there is something to be had for Lillard plus Grant or Ayton, I would be open to that alternative.

I'm pretty dead-set on not giving up low first round picks, however. Maaaaaybe, the highest of the 2029 picks.

Having 3 firsts, 2 potentially low firsts in 2029 could completely change the franchise--even if the Blazers trade one away at the draft. I think the swap the following year is going to be something good, also.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Would Milwaukee be interested in 7 expiring players for Giannis, Lillard, and Kuzma? They would only have a couple young players under contract and a ton of money to sign whoever they want. I'd send the Boston pick to the Lakers with Grant for Hachimura, Vincent, and Klieber. I'd then send those 3 players with Ayton, Simons, Williams III, and Thybulle plus whatever picks are left, including this year's pick.

PG Lillard / Scoot / Veteran
SG Sharpe / Rupert / Cisoko
SF Avdija / Camara / Murray
PF Antetokoumpo / Kuzma / Walker
-C Clingan / Reath / Veteran

You could swap Sharpe with Camara in the starting lineup to help cover for Lillard.

[BlazersBroncos]

Would Milwaukee be interested in 7 expiring players for Giannis, Lillard, and Kuzma? They would only have a couple young players under contract and a ton of money to sign whoever they want. I'd send the Boston pick to the Lakers with Grant for Hachimura, Vincent, and Klieber. I'd then send those 3 players with Ayton, Simons, Williams III, and Thybulle plus whatever picks are left, including this year's pick.

PG Lillard / Scoot / Veteran
SG Sharpe / Rupert / Cisoko
SF Avdija / Camara / Murray
PF Antetokoumpo / Kuzma / Walker
-C Clingan / Reath / Veteran

You could swap Sharpe with Camara in the starting lineup to help cover for Lillard.

MIL will get far better offers for Giannis. We could add Sharpe and Scoot and I still think they would get better offers (And I would do that trade w/ Sharpe and Scoot included).

[Wizenheimer]

I've pivoted on the point of Simons...I feel like there's almost a 100% chance Cronin is going to overpay him. .

I've been thinking that very thing for a year. I'd imagine it would be 35M/year, give or take 5M. Seems like if Cronin can defer and punt tough decisions down the road, he chooses that option

Simons 35M/year
Ayton 30M/year
Sharpe 35M/year
Scoot 25M/year
Camara 30M/year
Avdija 45M/year
Clingan 25M/year

those numbers overall may be low.....225M/year for 7 players. Something's gotta give and if Simons/Ayton are the first ones re-signed, the give would come in the other 5 players

[dckingsfan]

Would Milwaukee be interested in 7 expiring players for Giannis, Lillard, and Kuzma? They would only have a couple young players under contract and a ton of money to sign whoever they want. I'd send the Boston pick to the Lakers with Grant for Hachimura, Vincent, and Klieber. I'd then send those 3 players with Ayton, Simons, Williams III, and Thybulle plus whatever picks are left, including this year's pick.

PG Lillard / Scoot / Veteran
SG Sharpe / Rupert / Cisoko
SF Avdija / Camara / Murray
PF Antetokoumpo / Kuzma / Walker
-C Clingan / Reath / Veteran

You could swap Sharpe with Camara in the starting lineup to help cover for Lillard.

MIL will get far better offers for Giannis. We could add Sharpe and Scoot and I still think they would get better offers (And I would do that trade w/ Sharpe and Scoot included).

I am trying to figure out who could do that? I guess that would need to be one of OKC or Brooklyn. I just don't think either of those teams are interested.

I believe the better question is, "is Milwaukee ready to do a rebuild without Giannis"? I am skeptical on that front.

Also, Giannis and Dame contracts alone are $108M. All 7 of our expiring contracts come to $100M.

So, I think this set of trades is DOA

[m0ng0]

More fantasy basketball, he gone and he ain't coming back for anything more than a 1 day contract. All the people whining about Grant, Ayton and Simons taking away all the developmental minutes and shots from the youngsters want to bring back the biggest chucker and defensive liability in years? Oh, but he is a leader and great mentor right? And makes a boatload of salary and can't win with Giannis? Check your head people.

[DusterBuster]

:crazy: More fantasy basketball, he gone and he ain't coming back for anything more than a 1 day contract. All the people whining about Grant, Ayton and Simons taking away all the developmental minutes and shots from the youngsters want to bring back the biggest chucker and defensive liability in years? Oh, but he is a leader and great mentor right? And makes a boatload of salary and can't win with Giannis? Check your head people.

This is clearly something that's never going to happen and some fans just having fun with it. It's a topic you don't like or don't agree, so why bother commenting? Just ignore the thread in the blissful knowledge of the fact that you're very likely correct that, at best, the only way Dame ever returns is on a 1 day to "retire" a Blazer sometime in the future.

[BlazersBroncos]

:crazy: More fantasy basketball, he gone and he ain't coming back for anything more than a 1 day contract. All the people whining about Grant, Ayton and Simons taking away all the developmental minutes and shots from the youngsters want to bring back the biggest chucker and defensive liability in years? Oh, but he is a leader and great mentor right? And makes a boatload of salary and can't win with Giannis? Check your head people.

Would you trade Jerami Grant for Damian Lillard straight up?