2023 NBA Draft (tonight's discussion on pg 58)

[soobias]

I guess where my heads at, I don’t think Miller gets to 3. Workouts will matter, but I think Charlotte goes BPA and takes Miller to pair with Ball. So until I see any reason to believe otherwise, Scoot is #3.

I’m ok with Bridges if that deal is there, but is Dame and Bridges getting much done in the West? Is Bridges a for sure future All Star or just another in a long list of “All Star Caliber” player the Blazers pair with Dame?

I’m definitely getting to the point where maybe it’s just time to turn the page here and rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe. Maybe Dame to Brooklyn for Claxton and picks (don’t need your opinion on this JKidd, not looking for input), then Simons and Nurk for picks and players, then let Grant walk. If you want to go young and reboot, I think something along the lines of…

Scoot
Sharpe
Claxton

Is a nice core to rebuild around.

this i would do but NETS would have to add cam and other + the picks

then would follow up with trading nurk and maybe simons and try and get woods from MAVS

While I don't believe the Nets will trade Mikal, he's not a difference maker. Portland just aren't at that stage. This is a rebuilding team. Dame should have been gone if we keeping it a buck.

i agree thats why im for rebuilding

[DusterBuster]

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Kupcheck pretty much confirming they’re going to pick position over BPA, so yeah, Miller is going 2nd.

[Norm2953]

Its my hope Scoot just has tremendous workouts which lead some solid trade offers if Portland keeps Dame. Hopefully Houston, Detroit and Orlando will get into a bidding war if all want to trade up to 3

[DusterBuster]

Its my hope Scoot just has tremendous workouts which lead some solid trade offers if Portland keeps Dame. Hopefully Houston, Detroit and Orlando will get into a bidding war if all want to trade up to 3

None of those teams have an established star Dame would be excited to play with.

[Norm2953]

Its my hope Scoot just has tremendous workouts which lead some solid trade offers if Portland keeps Dame. Hopefully Houston, Detroit and Orlando will get into a bidding war if all want to trade up to 3

None of those teams have an established star Dame would be excited to play with.

It's not always about Dame but let's say Houston offered up Eason to move up to 3 to draft Scoot.
Eason is a solid player on a rookie contract and Portland could still draft one of the Thompson
twins, Walker, etc

Detroit likely will sit still at 5 but lets say they offered up Duren to if Scoot just blew up at their workout.

There is a thread on the trade board with Utah trading up to 3 and I proposed Kessler + 9 for 3,23

Orlando could offer up 6,11 plus WCJ for Simons + 3

The common goal would be to add a good player on a rookie contract as opposed to these win now
trades which only blows up the Blazers cap for Siakum, OG and Dame even if they let Grant walk, might
run $100 million for three players which might require signing vet min guys to play minutes to fill out
the roster.

As opposed to adding another established star, Portland builds a team that is 8-9 players deep and wins 45-50
games, while being well under the second tax apron, which will be an issue after they likely pay Grant.

[Case2012]

I was pretty confident that wemby would have gotten you embiid, or Giannis. With 3 i still think you could get Brown, but maybe with scoot going to a third team. No idea who though. If philly rebuilds then I think 3, Sharpe and Simons would work but they have Maxey already. Scoot Sharpe and Simons would still make a great rebuilding core in Mil. I really think Sharpe would go second in this draft so the second and third picks are a great package and Simons is still 23 and one of the best shooters in the league. Not bad. How many picks would we need to add? 3? 4? 5? I think i would still do it. A dame and Giannis pairing gets you a ring, I’m certain of that.


Idk, I’m still holding on to the dream of Giannis I guess but it’s not realistic.


Dame
Thybulle
Grant
Giannis
Turner?

If we add 3 first to that package we cold use 2 future firsts, Little, Keon, and 5 seconds for Turner. We would have the best defense in the league but we would have to find a lot of shooting for vet minimum deals and the MLE. Now that I think of it all 5 of those guys can shoot 3s opening up the lanes for Dame.

[Jsun947]

Just an initial thought… #3 for the type of players that might be available could be a huge over pay so it might be better to split it into multiple pieces.

#3 & Nurkic for #6, #10, Carter Jr
#3 & Nurkic for #7 & Myles Turner

Then we could swing the other pick(s) & Simons for another player like Siakam, OG, Bridges, etc

[Case2012]

Just an initial thought… #3 for the type of players that might be available could be a huge over pay so it might be better to split it into multiple pieces.

#3 & Nurkic for #6, #10, Carter Jr
#3 & Nurkic for #7 & Myles Turner

Then we could swing the other pick(s) & Simons for another player like Siakam, OG, Bridges, etc

Dame
Thybulle
Grant
Siakam
Turner

Or

Dame
Thybulle
Grant
Randle
Turner

Or

Dame
Thybulle
OG
Grant
Turner

Or

Dame
Thybulle
Bridges
Grant
Carter JR

Those all look great to me but not contenders.

Which variation of those get you the farthest? I’m all in on defense next year, that’s why I have Thybulle over Sharpe.

[DusterBuster]

Just an initial thought… #3 for the type of players that might be available could be a huge over pay so it might be better to split it into multiple pieces.

#3 & Nurkic for #6, #10, Carter Jr
#3 & Nurkic for #7 & Myles Turner

Then we could swing the other pick(s) & Simons for another player like Siakam, OG, Bridges, etc

Both of those deals are super interesting. That said, I’m not convinced trading down is ever the right offer.

I’ve also heard a convincing argument for why Charlotte may not take Miller at 2. LaMelo is 6’5” - 6’6”, so they have plenty of height to still have a backcourt with size. Not your normal two PGs and may be able to play off one another, plus also gives them some security if Melo leaves.

If Portland does have an opportunity to take Miller, they have to do that. I think they do that and keep him, don’t think anyone they could get for him being worth that kind of talent Miller projects to be.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Just an initial thought… #3 for the type of players that might be available could be a huge over pay so it might be better to split it into multiple pieces.

#3 & Nurkic for #6, #10, Carter Jr
#3 & Nurkic for #7 & Myles Turner

Then we could swing the other pick(s) & Simons for another player like Siakam, OG, Bridges, etc

Both of those deals are super interesting. That said, I’m not convinced trading down is ever the right offer.

I’ve also heard a convincing argument for why Charlotte may not take Miller at 2. LaMelo is 6’5” - 6’6”, so they have plenty of height to still have a backcourt with size. Not your normal two PGs and may be able to play off one another, plus also gives them some security if Melo leaves.

If Portland does have an opportunity to take Miller, they have to do that. I think they do that and keep him, don’t think anyone they could get for him being worth that kind of talent Miller projects to be.

Agreed. Quality > quantity, don't trade blue chip prospect for two lesser assets.


I mean say we draft Miller, resign Grant while Miller gets his footing in the NBA. Get off our obligation to Chicago with the #23 and then we are sitting on a god father package of Sharpe+Miller+all our future picks and swaps with the contracts of Simons, Nurkic and Grant to swing whatever kind of deal needs to be made when the right opportunity arises. That's how you get an Embiid level talent. Blowing all that now to move down in the draft and pick up a role player is such a short sighted move. I would expect it of Olshey but FFS I hope Cronin is better than that.

[sisibilio]

Its my hope Scoot just has tremendous workouts which lead some solid trade offers if Portland keeps Dame. Hopefully Houston, Detroit and Orlando will get into a bidding war if all want to trade up to 3

None of those teams have an established star Dame would be excited to play with.

Not an stablished star but Wagner is intriguing. Not sure the Magic roll the dice on that one.

[King Ken]

It's clear none of these trades get you over unless it's for a legit superstar but I can't think of a good Dame trade either. No contender can really afford Dame salary especially with the new CBA on the horizon. Teams that could afford Dame like SA are also still in rebuilding mode.

All of the teams that can afford Dame and offer a decent package are really bad teams. Idk if Dame will get his wish. You just don't move Miller or Scoot and this team has a young flavor, it's not ready to contend yet no matter what unless it's another superstar. I heard someone asking about Jaylen Brown but he has to want to resign in Portland. He's not on a rookie contract

[King Ken]

If Scoot is at 3, you gotta take him. Dame gotta go. It's just that simple.

[King Ken]

The only team who can make a good offer for Dame that can contend after the trade is NO

C.J. and Nance plus two 1sts one being a future MIL 1st for Dame. C.J. to a 3rd team looking for a scoring guard and get another 1st from them. Replenish the well.

In fact, I already found a good deal

Dame to NO
C.J. and Nurkic to PHX
Two from 1sts (MIL and NO) (NO), Ayton, CP3, and Nance.

CP3 to mentor Scoot. Ayton upside with a young team not trying to win will likely show him in a better light. Nance on this squad makes sense
C.J. and Nurk solve issues for PHX

[Goldbum]

Idea if Scoot goes #2
Draft Miller
Trade Keon+ Nas+ Watford + 2 seconds for Stewart+Hayes
Trade #23 for our pick back
Trade Ant+Nurk for KAT
PG Dame/Hayes/Mayes
SG Sharpe/Thybulle/Mayes
SF Miller/Brooks/Thybulle
PF Grant/Stewart/Knox or Walker
C KAT/Stewart/Eubanks
That's an exciting team.

[The Sebastian Express]

I want to outright state that the idea of trading three for Kessler and nine made me physically recoil. No. Absolutely not.

After last night I think i'm even more okay with three. Obviously you want number one, but considering our history with big men at one - there is a bit of stress and anxiety off the shoulders of sitting there worrying 'what if we really are cursed and what if he gets hurt..'. Obviously not enough to not make you still have wanted one, but that little bit of stress off is nice lol.

[The Sebastian Express]

Also re: the Mitch clip. I think Charlotte is just doing the smart thing right now by posturing about well they might look for position rather than BPA, they're just trying to up the offers and see what's out there. THey're not going to show their cards. Exactly one team is showing their cards in this draft: the Spurs, because we all know exactly what they'll do.

[DusterBuster]

Idea if Scoot goes #2
Draft Miller
Trade Keon+ Nas+ Watford + 2 seconds for Stewart+Hayes
Trade #23 for our pick back
Trade Ant+Nurk for KAT
PG Dame/Hayes/Mayes
SG Sharpe/Thybulle/Mayes
SF Miller/Brooks/Thybulle
PF Grant/Stewart/Knox or Walker
C KAT/Stewart/Eubanks
That's an exciting team.

You aren't getting KAT for Ant and Nurk alone. Only way I think you get KAT is if you're trading #3 and Scoot is available.

[The Sebastian Express]

I would also not want KAT. Greatly talented offensive player, but doesn't really show up in big moments. I just would not feel comfortable with him helping uplift us.

[DusterBuster]

I would also not want KAT. Greatly talented offensive player, but doesn't really show up in big moments. I just would not feel comfortable with him helping uplift us.

I do understand and largely agree with your point, but I also somewhat wonder if - at least this season - it's because of who his playing with and the system he's in.

KAT and Gobert are an objectively bad duo imo. They don't complement each other and end up kind of being subtraction by addition when they play together. KAT as the main inside presence who can stretch the floor can be a beast. I think he and Dame would be amazing together and he's still young enough to be around for the next era. He also fits my bill of being a true All Star to pair next to Dame **** finally. So I would understand peoples hesitation, but I would make a deal for KAT if it's available.