Grant Trade?

[Butter]

I have shifted my trade focus from Grant to Ant. It would not be the worst thing to hold onto Grant till the trade deadline.

I'm falling into the optimistic group that hopes a team with title hopes will make the Blazers a better offer if they think they have a shot.

However, Ant has got to go, asap. It's not because I don't like him. His contract is very reasonable this year, but it is approaching expiring status. He's going to take minutes for Scoot and Shaedon. And, he can only hurt the tank for Flagg campaign. It's all downside. And, he's going to want to go somewhere he has a chance to win, eventually

Just get it done, even if they have to take partial value

[m0ng0]

However, Ant has got to go, asap. It's not because I don't like him. His contract is very reasonable this year, but it is approaching expiring status. He's going to take minutes for Scoot and Shaedon. And, he can only hurt the tank for Flagg campaign. It's all downside. And, he's going to want to go somewhere he has a chance to win, eventually

Just get it done, even if they have to take partial value

Just stop already, assuming everybody plays 82 games (which won't happen) there are more than enough minutes to go around.

Simons had never said anything about wanting to be traded, if you have something please share it?


and your last comment is not even worth responding to even though i kinda did hahaha.

[Walton1one]

I agree that Ant would probably be more beneficial to trade than Grant, clear the runway for Scoot\Sharpe. Plus Ant’s fit with Scoot (in particular) and Sharpe has not been good in the limited times they have been on the floor together

[Walton1one]

Here’s an idea, based off a rumor Goldbum stated earlier, about DET showing interest in Simons.

1)Tim Hardaway Junior cannot be traded until 8/27

2)DET Is one of the few teams with cap space still available? Maybe the only? So they could take a lopsided Salary back

3) DET 2025 first round pick is tied up with NY until 2028 25’ 1-13, 26’ 1-11, 27’ 1-9, 28’ becomes 2nd). I’m not sure they want to continue sucking that long in order to keep that pick, and unlike POR they do have a blue chip franchise player in Cunningham

4) After several years of bad lottery luck, their new GM (Langdon) has brought in several veteran players like Harris/Beasley/Reed

5) They have a star player (Cunningham) and a ton of young players already (Ivey/Duren/Ausar/Stewart/Sasser/Holland)

6) Does Detroit want to ensure they get progressively worse the next three years to protect that pick given their roster? I’m not sure they do.


DET sends THJ, 28’ 1st (top 3 protect) & (3?) 2nd’s including: 25’ 2nd from TOR as one of them, probably a 27’2nd (they have 2) &/or a 28’ 2nd (they have 3)

Would a lightly protected pick from Detroit be more worth dealing Simons for than a late 25’ 1st from ORL, who don’t even seem to be interested in making a deal for Simons? I think so. Not really sure what other teams out there would have a need/interest for him?

[m0ng0]

I thought this was a Grant trade thread?

The funny thing is Simons will wipe the floor with Scoot this year, next year may be different, (and i like scoot) but it's not even close who starts at PG if you actually want to try and win. If you don't you can't use the "Simons is not a leader like Dame dolla$$$" because he is not winning games... try again folks.

I think some people just want to tank forever and play fantasy basketball... why can't we build on what we have and continue to compete? It's not the sad core many of you bitch about. I like Chauncey but maybe ultimately he is the problem. Trade Grant if a reasonable deal comes up, if not let's see what we can do.

[Butter]

I thought this was a Grant trade thread?

The funny thing is Simons will wipe the floor with Scoot this year, next year may be different, (and i like scoot) but it's not even close who starts at PG if you actually want to try and win. If you don't you can't use the "Simons is not a leader like Dame dolla$$$" because he is not winning games... try again folks.

I think some people just want to tank forever and play fantasy basketball... why can't we build on what we have and continue to compete? It's not the sad core many of you bitch about. I like Chauncey but maybe ultimately he is the problem. Trade Grant if a reasonable deal comes up, if not let's see what we can do.

I'll tell you exactly why, salary cap.

This year, the Blazers have the 16th highest payroll in the league, but last season they had one of the worst records. $165,263,993 for 21 wins.

That's just under $7.9m per win. Completely unacceptable

The Blazers have a small window of time to gain some return on investments from trades now, or they will be facing paying Ant $35-40M, and perpetuating this non-sense.

[m0ng0]

I thought this was a Grant trade thread?

The funny thing is Simons will wipe the floor with Scoot this year, next year may be different, (and i like scoot) but it's not even close who starts at PG if you actually want to try and win. If you don't you can't use the "Simons is not a leader like Dame dolla$$$" because he is not winning games... try again folks.

I think some people just want to tank forever and play fantasy basketball... why can't we build on what we have and continue to compete? It's not the sad core many of you bitch about. I like Chauncey but maybe ultimately he is the problem. Trade Grant if a reasonable deal comes up, if not let's see what we can do.

I'll tell you exactly why, salary cap.

This year, the Blazers have the 16th highest payroll in the league, but last season they had one of the worst records. $165,263,993 for 21 wins.

That's just under $7.9m per win. Completely unacceptable

The Blazers have a small window of time to gain some return on investments from trades now, or they will be facing paying Ant $35-40M, and perpetuating this non-sense.

How many free agents have we signed in the last 5 years that even slightly moved the needle? So what do you care what the salary is? The only one I can recall is the title of this thread isn't that ironic?

[m0ng0]

Never mind I think Grant was traded here...could be wrong

[Butter]

I thought this was a Grant trade thread?

The funny thing is Simons will wipe the floor with Scoot this year, next year may be different, (and i like scoot) but it's not even close who starts at PG if you actually want to try and win. If you don't you can't use the "Simons is not a leader like Dame dolla$$$" because he is not winning games... try again folks.

I think some people just want to tank forever and play fantasy basketball... why can't we build on what we have and continue to compete? It's not the sad core many of you bitch about. I like Chauncey but maybe ultimately he is the problem. Trade Grant if a reasonable deal comes up, if not let's see what we can do.

I'll tell you exactly why, salary cap.

This year, the Blazers have the 16th highest payroll in the league, but last season they had one of the worst records. $165,263,993 for 21 wins.

That's just under $7.9m per win. Completely unacceptable

The Blazers have a small window of time to gain some return on investments from trades now, or they will be facing paying Ant $35-40M, and perpetuating this non-sense.

How many free agents have we signed in the last 5 years that even slightly moved the needle? So what do you care what the salary is? The only one I can recall is the title of this thread isn't that ironic?

You're right, free agency is not the Blazers primary route to improve this roster, but it has no bearing on the fact that this team as currently constructed has no chance to win a playoff series, let alone a championship.

They are paying way too much for a sub par team.

[Pattycakes]

However, Ant has got to go, asap. It's not because I don't like him. His contract is very reasonable this year, but it is approaching expiring status. He's going to take minutes for Scoot and Shaedon. And, he can only hurt the tank for Flagg campaign. It's all downside. And, he's going to want to go somewhere he has a chance to win, eventually

Just get it done, even if they have to take partial value

Just stop already, assuming everybody plays 82 games (which won't happen) there are more than enough minutes to go around.

Simons had never said anything about wanting to be traded, if you have something please share it?


and your last comment is not even worth responding to even though i kinda did hahaha.

I want to read more from you, you actually think critically and don’t choose panic mode like so many these days.

[dckingsfan]

You're right, free agency is not the Blazers primary route to improve this roster, but it has no bearing on the fact that this team as currently constructed has no chance to win a playoff series, let alone a championship.

They are paying way too much for a sub par team.

You are spot on. The only bright spot is their payroll commitment for '26-'27. But for this year and next - that is where they are at.

They just need to NOT overspend on resigning some of their subpar veterans (and as you allude to) build through the draft.

Going to be interesting...

[PDXKnight]

I'll tell you exactly why, salary cap.

This year, the Blazers have the 16th highest payroll in the league, but last season they had one of the worst records. $165,263,993 for 21 wins.

That's just under $7.9m per win. Completely unacceptable

The Blazers have a small window of time to gain some return on investments from trades now, or they will be facing paying Ant $35-40M, and perpetuating this non-sense.

How many free agents have we signed in the last 5 years that even slightly moved the needle? So what do you care what the salary is? The only one I can recall is the title of this thread isn't that ironic?

You're right, free agency is not the Blazers primary route to improve this roster, but it has no bearing on the fact that this team as currently constructed has no chance to win a playoff series, let alone a championship.

They are paying way too much for a sub par team.

Pretty much spot on. And just because we aren't gonna get big name fa's without a clear title contender we hopefully build through the draft that doesn't mean we should squander resources for no reason which is by and large what we did with jeramis contract and what would be the case if we give Ant a huge contract.

I do think Ant will be gone soon enough but we will see. As for our future we have a lot of young potential which is good and bad. Value contracts now could turn into overpays based on blind hope on potential. I wonder what our contract situation will be in 3 years as history tends to repeat itself sometimes

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I think you guys are looking at it incorrectly.

One of the best ways to rebuild is to use your capspace to acquire draft assets. There are two main ways to do this:

1. Buy low on a player, rehab their value and sell high
2. Take on bad contracts for draft assets

Both of those are going to leave you spending more on a team than the number of wins created would warrant so using that as the primary metric to assess spending is flawed.

Now we could debate the efficacy of the specific assets the Blazers have chosen to try and hold and flip for value (for example is the late FRP we might get for Grant worth his $30 million or could we use that same $30 million and somehow acquire 2 FRP via a different route) but in theory it is a good thing the team is fine spending as much as they can to build our asset base and not try and cheap out while in a rebuild mode. As long as we are below the tax and the owner is OK with it there really is no penalty for spending too much money on a bad team.

At least not directly... A culture of being handed a blank check every year could earily become lazy and stagnant, and I think in terms of our Vulcan overlords they already are wayyyy to comfortable with the status quo.

[m0ng0]

I think you guys are looking at it incorrectly.

One of the best ways to rebuild is to use your capspace to acquire draft assets. There are two main ways to do this:

1. Buy low on a player, rehab their value and sell high
2. Take on bad contracts for draft assets

Both of those are going to leave you spending more on a team than the number of wins created would warrant so using that as the primary metric to assess spending is flawed.

Now we could debate the efficacy of the specific assets the Blazers have chosen to try and hold and flip for value (for example is the late FRP we might get for Grant worth his $30 million or could we use that same $30 million and somehow acquire 2 FRP via a different route) but in theory it is a good thing the team is fine spending as much as they can to build our asset base and not try and cheap out while in a rebuild mode. As long as we are below the tax and the owner is OK with it there really is no penalty for spending too much money on a bad team.

At least not directly... A culture of being handed a blank check every year could earily become lazy and stagnant, and I think in terms of our Vulcan overlords they already are wayyyy to comfortable with the status quo.

And I understand that point of view, Grant and sadly RWIII fit the teams idea and narrative best by younger they need to go and the other cannot be relied on.

Grant can't play PF well and Williams sadly can't seem to stay healthy but I really don't even know what he makes so maybe it's better to roll the dice with RW and see what 2024-2025 looks like however that is a risk. If he gets hurt again he has zero value and we eat it.

I'm ok with Ayton and Simons as they are still young, productive and may not have even reached their ceilings yet.

[Wizenheimer]

I think you guys are looking at it incorrectly.

One of the best ways to rebuild is to use your capspace to acquire draft assets. There are two main ways to do this:

1. Buy low on a player, rehab their value and sell high
2. Take on bad contracts for draft assets

Both of those are going to leave you spending more on a team than the number of wins created would warrant so using that as the primary metric to assess spending is flawed.

Now we could debate the efficacy of the specific assets the Blazers have chosen to try and hold and flip for value (for example is the late FRP we might get for Grant worth his $30 million or could we use that same $30 million and somehow acquire 2 FRP via a different route) but in theory it is a good thing the team is fine spending as much as they can to build our asset base and not try and cheap out while in a rebuild mode. As long as we are below the tax and the owner is OK with it there really is no penalty for spending too much money on a bad team.

At least not directly... A culture of being handed a blank check every year could earily become lazy and stagnant, and I think in terms of our Vulcan overlords they already are wayyyy to comfortable with the status quo.

that's true and it should be noted that starting this season, the full-MLE can be used just like a TPE. Teams can accept player in trade if they fit into the MLE

so that theroy is fine. But Portland's current payroll doesn't really allow for any unbalanced trades. And even if it did, Cronin seems pretty allergic to utilizing those kind of tools. In the last 18 months, the Blazers have allowed TWO 8+M TPE's to expire (Hart, Payton). And they have an 8.8M TPE from the Dame trade that will expire on Sept 27. Any bets against the contention Portland will just waste that TPE too?

Blazers would rather stupidly match an idiot offer sheet to Thybulle rather than keep options open for using those TPE's. Here's another quite likely outcome: Cronin won't find a trade for Thybulle and and he's walk as a free agent next summer

[DaVoiceMaster]

How about the amount of caps pace the Blazers could have if they traded Grant, Simons, and Ayton for expiring or contracts under 2-years.

[m0ng0]

How about the amount of caps pace the Blazers could have if they traded Grant, Simons, and Ayton for expiring or contracts under 2-years.

then what?

[BlazersBroncos]

How about the amount of caps pace the Blazers could have if they traded Grant, Simons, and Ayton for expiring or contracts under 2-years.

then what?

Take on bad deals for assets and actually rebuild.

[m0ng0]

How about the amount of caps pace the Blazers could have if they traded Grant, Simons, and Ayton for expiring or contracts under 2-years.

then what?

Take on bad deals for assets and actually rebuild.

Is that how you would run a business if it was your money? Take on bad contracts that are negative assets in an attempt to win the lottery somehow?

We have drafted Sharpe, Scoot and Clingan in subsequent drafts and that's not rebuilding? Did you think this was going to be some nba2k thing where in 1 year it's all fixed?

[JRoy]

then what?

Take on bad deals for assets and actually rebuild.

Is that how you would run a business if it was your money? Take on bad contracts that are negative assets in an attempt to win the lottery somehow?

We have drafted Sharpe, Scoot and Clingan in subsequent drafts and that's not rebuilding? Did you think this was going to be some nba2k thing where in 1 year it's all fixed?

Does this team look rebuilt to you?

There is no all star talent on this team. POR needs to score big in the next draft or three to add the kind of talent that would never sign here in FA even if we had the cap space to make an offer.

Simons, Ayton, Grant are not difference makers and expensive for what they provide. They all need to go. Not necessarily today or tomorrow but soon.