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[BlazersBroncos]

Maybe pick a new team? It might help your mental state? Find one you can say anything good about?

There is nothing mental about understanding that Anfernee freaking Simons isn’t a part of the future of this team.

If you saw a Miami fan say they don’t see Tyler Herro as part of their core would you believe they should switch teams?

Simons just stands out because he is seen by some as the best player on our team. Meanwhile (rightfully) Miami is constantly trying to upgrade their weakest link - Herro who is a 6th man pretending to be the 3rd best player on a playoff team.

Think how talent deprived we are when the above is the case. Again, our best player would be the guy a mediocre playoff team is constantly trying to replace.

We have no Butler or Bam ahead of him. Just a black Tyler Herro leading the team to oblivion.

[PDXKnight]

Maybe pick a new team? It might help your mental state? Find one you can say anything good about?

There is nothing mental about understanding that Anfernee freaking Simons isn’t a part of the future of this team.

If you saw a Miami fan say they don’t see Tyler Herro as part of their core would you believe they should switch teams?

Simons just stands out because he is seen by some as the best player on our team. Meanwhile (rightfully) Miami is constantly trying to upgrade their weakest link - Herro who is a 6th man pretending to be the 3rd best player on a playoff team.

Think how talent deprived we are when the above is the case. Again, our best player would be the guy a mediocre playoff team is constantly trying to replace.

We have no Butler or Bam ahead of him. Just a black Tyler Herro leading the team to oblivion.

Whether or not Ant is our best player I think it goes without saying he's pretty handily not close to being our best asset

[BlazersBroncos]

FWIW re Simons - I have a much less harsh take on him if we are willing to move him to the bench. If we trim payroll elsewhere (Thybulle, RWIII) then having a 25M bench scorer isnt THAT crazy.

That being said - you dont resign said 25M bench player to a even bigger deal (Which Simons will be looking for) - so even if he is moved to the bench we are not likely to have him long term.

I just am so over watching small no defense guards on this team. Its been a decade. The experiment needs to be extinguished.

[m0ng0]

Maybe pick a new team? It might help your mental state? Find one you can say anything good about?

There is nothing mental about understanding that Anfernee freaking Simons isn’t a part of the future of this team.

If you saw a Miami fan say they don’t see Tyler Herro as part of their core would you believe they should switch teams?

Simons just stands out because he is seen by some as the best player on our team. Meanwhile (rightfully) Miami is constantly trying to upgrade their weakest link - Herro who is a 6th man pretending to be the 3rd best player on a playoff team.

Think how talent deprived we are when the above is the case. Again, our best player would be the guy a mediocre playoff team is constantly trying to replace.

We have no Butler or Bam ahead of him. Just a black Tyler Herro leading the team to oblivion.

It's not Simons it's everything, coaching staff, GM ownership, cable rights deal, venue, uniforms, league, players... have i left anything out?

[BlazersBroncos]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.


G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

[dckingsfan]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.


G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

Curious - why does Cleveland do the first deal? I wouldn't do that deal if I was Cleveland.

And yes to the Grant trade - why do you think that type of deal hasn't happened yet?

[BlazersBroncos]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.


G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

Curious - why does Cleveland do the first deal? I wouldn't do that deal if I was Cleveland.

And yes to the Grant trade - why do you think that type of deal hasn't happened yet?

CLE seems hesitant to pay Okoro long term with the money their top 4 are making (The core of Garland / Mobley / Allen / Donovan means they have to be super smart on role player contracts). Thybulle is only signed 2 years whereas Okoro is likely to get a 4 year deal. It gives them more flexibility financially and Reath super duper cheap is the type of value deal a team paying like 140-150 million to 4 guys should be looking for.

As for why the LAL trade hasn’t happened - I assume we are overvaluing Grant OR the Lakers simply don’t like him.

[dckingsfan]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.

G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

Curious - why does Cleveland do the first deal? I wouldn't do that deal if I was Cleveland.

And yes to the Grant trade - why do you think that type of deal hasn't happened yet?

CLE seems hesitant to pay Okoro long term with the money their top 4 are making (The core of Garland / Mobley / Allen / Donovan means they have to be super smart on role player contracts). Thybulle is only signed 2 years whereas Okoro is likely to get a 4 year deal. It gives them more flexibility financially and Reath super duper cheap is the type of value deal a team paying like 140-150 million to 4 guys should be looking for.

As for why the LAL trade hasn’t happened - I assume we are overvaluing Grant OR the Lakers simply don’t like him.

Agreed on Grant.

I think that Okoro will stay put until at least the trade deadline. I think that the Cavs will be looking for expiring contracts + draft assets. So, Thybulle and Reath might fit the bill. But, are you willing to give up a protected FRP or multiple SRPs? Or at that point, do you just say no.

[Walton1one]

I think the holdup is coming from LAL.

Yes, it’s possible that Cronin is asking too much for Grant. However, if that was the case then why hasn’t LAL made a deal with BRK for Johnson\DFS, or with WAS for Kuzma\Valanciunas, or TOR for Brown, or CHI for Vucevic? I seriously doubt all those teams are asking for (2) 1st’s for those players.

So to me, I think it is far more likely that Pelinka is trying to be cheap and get these players with without having to give up anything of relative value.

Although I would not put it past Cronin to slow play trading Grant or any of the other players that need to be dealt, until he absolutely has no choice, because that is exactly what he has done up to now. I don’t think it is him being patient/calculated, more so him being afraid of making a bad move and then getting canned.

Fear, always a good position for a GM to make critical franchise decisions from.

[Walton1one]

I’d do that Okoro trade in a heartbeat,

Sure seems that if CLE was interested in signing him they would’ve done so already, Apparently they want to stay under luxury tax and qualifying offer would put them over.

Staying under the luxury tax seems to be a priority for the Cavs. They currently sit $9.7 million under the line with 12 players on the roster. Okoro signing the qualifying offer of $11.8 million would take them over that barring other moves.

A larger deal with POR centered around Grant or Ant could work as well, especially if it could keep CLE under the luxury tax.

[mighty_duck]

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) +

Trade doesn't work even without Jabari. Grant makes almost 30m, while Gabe and Vando make 11 each.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bcv4beh

If we're doing a Grant to LA deal, it would need to include Rui or D'lo to make the salaries work.

[BlazersBroncos]

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) +

Trade doesn't work even without Jabari. Grant makes almost 30m, while Gabe and Vando make 11 each.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bcv4beh

If we're doing a Grant to LA deal, it would need to include Rui or D'lo to make the salaries work.

Ugh. The RealGm trade checker is so unreliable.

Is there any way to make it work w/o Rui or DLo? Add JHS and a vet min (Cam?).

Just think LAL would jump if they could make it work w/o Rui or DLo.

[BlazersBroncos]

Curious - why does Cleveland do the first deal? I wouldn't do that deal if I was Cleveland.

And yes to the Grant trade - why do you think that type of deal hasn't happened yet?

CLE seems hesitant to pay Okoro long term with the money their top 4 are making (The core of Garland / Mobley / Allen / Donovan means they have to be super smart on role player contracts). Thybulle is only signed 2 years whereas Okoro is likely to get a 4 year deal. It gives them more flexibility financially and Reath super duper cheap is the type of value deal a team paying like 140-150 million to 4 guys should be looking for.

As for why the LAL trade hasn’t happened - I assume we are overvaluing Grant OR the Lakers simply don’t like him.

Agreed on Grant.

I think that Okoro will stay put until at least the trade deadline. I think that the Cavs will be looking for expiring contracts + draft assets. So, Thybulle and Reath might fit the bill. But, are you willing to give up a protected FRP or multiple SRPs? Or at that point, do you just say no.

I don’t go after Okoro if picks are needed.

[tester551]

Is there any way to make it work w/o Rui or DLo? Add JHS and a vet min (Cam?).

Nope

Not without LeBron or AD.
One of the 4 would have to be included to be realistic

[dckingsfan]

I think we are seeing why it is so hard to do these trades...

[Walton1one]

Yeah, either Dlo or Rui have to be in the deal, And LAL Has to throw in a minimum contract player (Wood\Hayes\Reddish\Lewis), meaning 3 for 1 trade

However it COULD be a 3 for 2 deal if LAL included JHS\Knecht instead of the players listed above, then POR could send back one of Duop\Banton\Walker

I use the fanspo trade checker, seems to be more accurate

[Wizenheimer]

there are several significant problems with the Grant to LA Lakers idea

the first is the Lakers are only about 40K below the 2nd apron. Meaning they have to send out more salary than they take back. Grant makes 29.8M. DLO+Vincent doesn't work; neither does DLO+Vandy. And DLO make 1.7M more than Hachimura meaning subbing him in for DLO creates a bigger problem.

then, if the Lakers add a small contract they are doing a 3 for 1 trade and barely staying under the 2nd apron with 13 players. Meaning they jump into 2nd apron hell when they are forced, by rule, to sign a 14th player. And of course Portland adding a 2nd small contract to Grant only exacerbates the 2nd apron issues

the other major problem is that any team trading a Grant or Cam Johnson or whoever will pretty much demand a guaranteed 1st round pick. And there's simply no way, IMO, the Lakers would be that stupid. They only have 3 available 1st's in 2029-2030-2031 and I don't believe there's a chance they make any of those picks unprotected

I don't think the Grant to LAL trade was ever close to happening. Way too many obstacles and I think one of them is probably Cronin asking too much

[Pattycakes]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.


G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

What are we doing giving favors for? And adding addl assets while getting worse assets back. I’m so confused

[tester551]

If I had the reigns I would try to do something like this -

Matisse Thybulle + Duop Reath for Isaac Okoro (S&T starting at 12-13M AV) - we take a swing on a 3/D who fits the age timeline and has some projectable 3PT shooting upside.

Jerami Grant + Jabari Walker JR for Gabe Vincent + Jarred Vanderbilt + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAL/LAC 2025 SRP - we entice LAL to make this move by letting them keep Rui. JV is a nice hustle guy and Vincent is ballast - but the real meat is the picks.


G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Gabe Vincent
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija / Isaac Okoro / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumani Camara / Jarred Vanderbilt / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

+ 2029 LAL FRP (Top-4)
+ Higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
+ Revamp RWIII trade value and flip him at the DL
+ As stated I have the reigns to the team and push Simons to 6th man

What are we doing giving favors for? And adding addl assets while getting worse assets back. I’m so confused

Doesn't matter. That Laker proposal is not feasible. Lakers don't send enough out in salary- so it's not valid under the CBA

[m0ng0]

That's what happens when people think they can run the NBA from nba2k24