2022 draft/prospects thread

Dame Lizard · Post #421 » by **Dame Lizard** » Fri May 27, 2022 7:48 am

I think Dyson Daniels at #7 is a reach. I'd rather Eason personally.

I'll settle with any of: Smith, Banchero, Chet, Ivey, Murray, Eason, Sharpe, Williams.

Wickzki · Post #422 » by **Wickzki** » Fri May 27, 2022 7:12 pm

There will be some stuff about Dyson's father, Ricky.

Ricky was a standout player for the Bendigo Braves in the level below the NBL (pro league Giddey played in before the NBA).

Bendigo is about two hours north of Melbourne (my home town). My mother's side has numerous members from Bendigo (she was "a country girl") who are very familiar with the family.

This is where Dyson grew up. He was a phenomenal Aussie Rules player before he had to choose which one to take more seriously which was always going to be basketball.

Dyson is one of those notorious competitive beasts where he has to be the best at what he does. He's a very natural leader, was so in sports and elsewhere and will thrive at the NBA level when thrown to the wolves.

I don't think he's Ben Simmons if you want a comparison. I believe he's closer to Josh Giddey (who I also knew long before he got close to the league due to his father, Warrick) in that he has high level basketball IQ and thirst to work (which in my opinion Ben lacked, he was always a natural who picked it up easily and didn't need to work at it).

My question mark over Dyson, if I were to have any, is defensively. With the rapid changes to his body type I'll find it most interesting how and where his coaches determine he should play.

I hope the rumors from Bendigo are true and that we do end up drafting him.

BlazersBroncos · Post #423 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri May 27, 2022 7:56 pm

Wickzki wrote:There will be some stuff about Dyson's father, Ricky.

Ricky was a standout player for the Bendigo Braves in the level below the NBL (pro league Giddey played in before the NBA).

Bendigo is about two hours north of Melbourne (my home town). My mother's side has numerous members from Bendigo (she was "a country girl") who are very familiar with the family.

This is where Dyson grew up. He was a phenomenal Aussie Rules player before he had to choose which one to take more seriously which was always going to be basketball.

Dyson is one of those notorious competitive beasts where he has to be the best at what he does. He's a very natural leader, was so in sports and elsewhere and will thrive at the NBA level when thrown to the wolves.

I don't think he's Ben Simmons if you want a comparison. I believe he's closer to Josh Giddey (who I also knew long before he got close to the league due to his father, Warrick) in that he has high level basketball IQ and thirst to work (which in my opinion Ben lacked, he was always a natural who picked it up easily and didn't need to work at it).

My question mark over Dyson, if I were to have any, is defensively. With the rapid changes to his body type I'll find it most interesting how and where his coaches determine he should play.

I hope the rumors from Bendigo are true and that we do end up drafting him.

Awesome insight.

I did notice his dad was a former player and coach - guys that come from that background generally dont have that cruise control type game that Batum did, I think the idea he might be prone to passivity is off base.

I think he can guard SG or SF regularly, with the foot quickness to be better than most swings against PG's on switches and the size/length to bother most PF on switches as well. Not saying you line him up guarding PG or PF, just that he will be better than most switching onto those positions.

Offensively, he reminds me a lot of Mike Miller actually - similar body types, similar handle and vision - just needs to improve that 3. Defensively, he is much better than Miller. And Mike Miller with + defense is a Top-5 pick in most drafts.

I dont think he will be as much a savant as Giddey with the ball in his hands - Josh is like a baby Luka when it comes to his passing acumen.

Wickzki · Post #424 » by **Wickzki** » Sat May 28, 2022 11:18 am

That9 Ricky Dyson coaches is where I draw a similarity with Josh. Warrick went right into coaching when he finished his 10+ year career with the Melbourne Tigers and became one of the best junior development coaches in the state of Victoria.

Both Giddey and Daniels are pure students of the game.

Goldbum · Post #425 » by **Goldbum** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:47 pm

If we don't get Dyson Daniels... I really like Dalen Terry in round 2.

EDIT: I wonder if the TPE #36 and Bucks25 gets us Jonathan Isaac? That's a BIG swing but JI plus Bamba could be a windfall. Curious if we could snag Chuma Okeke as well...

BlazersBroncos · Post #426 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sun May 29, 2022 11:25 pm

Goldbum wrote:If we don't get Dyson Daniels... I really like Dalen Terry in round 2.

EDIT: I wonder if the TPE #36 and Bucks25 gets us Jonathan Isaac? That's a BIG swing but JI plus Bamba could be a windfall. Curious if we could snag Chuma Okeke as well...

That’s exactly the type of risky big swing move we should be trying to make.

Follow it up with the 3 way that sends Bledsoe and 7 out for Grant and 13. Take Sochan and your looking at a totally transformed team defensively. Sign Joe bc he is cool.

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Keon Johnson
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little / Joe Ingles
F - Jonathan Isaac / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Jeremy Sochan / Trendon Watford

Assuming Ant can be a 22+ per game guy we probably have enough scoring and that’s probably the best defensive collab of talent we have seen in decades. Not sure if shooting bites us but nothing is perfect.

EDIT - Even better, I would offer Bledsoe / Little / ??? (Probably Keon, would like to keep him tho) for Grant and use 7 on Dyson - who simply slots into Nas's minutes in the above rotation.

Dame Lizard · Post #427 » by **Dame Lizard** » Mon May 30, 2022 1:54 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Goldbum wrote:If we don't get Dyson Daniels... I really like Dalen Terry in round 2.

EDIT: I wonder if the TPE #36 and Bucks25 gets us Jonathan Isaac? That's a BIG swing but JI plus Bamba could be a windfall. Curious if we could snag Chuma Okeke as well...

That’s exactly the type of risky big swing move we should be trying to make.

Follow it up with the 3 way that sends Bledsoe and 7 out for Grant and 13. Take Sochan and your looking at a totally transformed team defensively. Sign Joe bc he is cool.

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Keon Johnson
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little / Joe Ingles
F - Jonathan Isaac / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Jeremy Sochan / Trendon Watford

Assuming Ant can be a 22+ per game guy we probably have enough scoring and that’s probably the best defensive collab of talent we have seen in decades. Not sure if shooting bites us but nothing is perfect.

EDIT - Even better, I would offer Bledsoe / Little / ??? (Probably Keon, would like to keep him tho) for Grant and use 7 on Dyson - who simply slots into Nas's minutes in the above rotation.

I think it'd be a mistake drafting Dyson over Eason.

One of the following players will DEFINITELY be on the board at #7: Jabari, Chet, Paolo, Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Eason.

BlazersBroncos · Post #428 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon May 30, 2022 2:53 am

I like Eason, but I think Dyson has a feel for the game coming out that Tari won’t have even as a 10 year vet.

But ya, I take either over the likes of Murray, Sharpe, Mathurian and the bigs (Mark + Duren)

I think Dyson is a mix of Hali and Batum, Tari a less athletic Crash. Both worth 7, just have Dyson higher.

monopoman · Post #429 » by **monopoman** » Mon May 30, 2022 5:32 am

It would be rather poetic to get a player that was improving his stock as the draft approached like Lillard at #7 one spot lower than Lillard.

I remember a good number here freaking out at the thought of Lillard weeks before the draft, and some getting upset when he was drafted but that was the right pick 100%.

Post #430 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Mon May 30, 2022 3:29 pm

I can see Daniels sneaking into the top 5, being more proven than Sharpe and a higher potential than Murray.

Case2012 · Post #431 » by **Case2012** » Tue May 31, 2022 5:03 am

I don’t understand the Daniels hype, where is this coming from? Are there new scouting reports and workouts coming out that I haven’t seen? What has he done in the last few weeks to go from mid first to sneaking into the top 5? Taking him over Murray would be bonkers.

Post #432 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:01 pm

Case2012 wrote:I don’t understand the Daniels hype, where is this coming from? Are there new scouting reports and workouts coming out that I haven’t seen? What has he done in the last few weeks to go from mid first to sneaking into the top 5? Taking him over Murray would be bonkers.

I would imagine teams are starting to do their own deeper dives on players at this point. I think the hype started with rumors he was bigger than expected at the combine and interviewed very well and since then he's been slowly moving up and up on peoples draft boards, but it's taken a while for people to adjust which explains the time delay and why it seems like out of no where. The league loves big guards so it's not surprising people are falling in love with his potential. Murray on the other hand didn't seem to impress in his interviews, he's much older and his passing was horrible in college, about the only thing he does very well is volume scoring and it's a concern if that translates, and if he isn't a volume scorer at the next level then what does he do? He isn't an elite ball handler, or shooter, or high level defender, so combined with his age he has a real shot at busting and his likely outcome might only be something closer to Kyle Kuzma or Tobias Harris. That's not a horrible outcome but you see why people might look at Daniels in light of other "big guard" prospects who developed well like Giannis, Luka, Simmons and see a better path for him becoming an elite player than Murray. Maybe not and it's fine to disagree but at least that is what I think is going on if that makes any sense.

BlazersBroncos · Post #433 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue May 31, 2022 2:40 pm

Daniels actually had more hype entering the season than Murray, he was pretty much a consensus Top-8 pick. He took time to adjust to playing against grown men and when it 'clicked' his production skyrocketed in the last 15 games or so.

The only glaring weakness seems to be that 3PT shot but at 74% from FT, he certainly has promise (And he shot like 45% in that late 15 game sample size). Otherwise, he is basically at least average at everything, defense, passing, handle, hustle, raw defensive stats (2 SPG in a mans league is pretty nuts for a teen), versatility, character, etc.

Murray is a position locked scoring centric PF who has a single season of good production. Its not crazy to think teams are looking at the well rounded, 2-way potential and 2nd/3rd ballhandler abilities of Dyson over the scoring potential of Murray.

I dread that Keegan is a path to more ISO ball, the guy just doesnt move the rock.

Case2012 · Post #434 » by **Case2012** » Tue May 31, 2022 2:45 pm

I see what you mean by the Daniels/Simmons comparisons I suppose. Both big Aussies that play point, have a good feel for the game and can't shoot.

However I'm not sure where you got the idea Murray isn't an elite shooter at 40 percent last year and 55 from the field? He had the highest per in college last year so it's not like all he did was score, which he was very very good at while playing mostly of ball with a low usage. Also, while I wouldn't classify him as an elite defender necessarily, he's still very good. Our new Scout did a video breakdown and interview with him recently, check it out.

JRoy · Post #435 » by **JRoy** » Tue May 31, 2022 3:09 pm

monopoman wrote:It would be rather poetic to get a player that was improving his stock as the draft approached like Lillard at #7 one spot lower than Lillard.

I remember a good number here freaking out at the thought of Lillard weeks before the draft, and some getting upset when he was drafted but that was the right pick 100%.

I had never heard of him until I saw a certain workout video.

That motivated me to dig deeper and see there was a very interesting player there.

BlazersBroncos · Post #436 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue May 31, 2022 3:21 pm

I see what you mean by the Daniels/Simmons comparisons I suppose. Both big Aussies that play point, have a good feel for the game and can't shoot.

Daniels is a much better shooter than Ben. He is closer to Josh Giddey as a shooter if we are comparing them to Aussies, and I would argue a better shooter than Josh as well.

He isnt the savant passer Josh is or the generational big forward defender that Ben is but he is a better shooter than both and better than average at both passing and defense.

Daniels in his last 9 games his 45% of his 3's on 31 attempts. His slow start shooting as a teen playing against adults shouldnt relegate him to the Ben Simmons no-mans-land of being a non-shooter. Simmons and even Giddey have never had that type of shooting stretch. That along w/ his respectable 74% FT bodes well for a significant development in his 3PT shooting. The form is there unlike Ben and Giddey as well IMO.

Also worth noting that the G-League uses the NBA 3PT line, so adjustment early in the season from the shorter HS line to the NBA line should be taken into account.

Norm2953 · Post #437 » by **Norm2953** » Tue May 31, 2022 6:12 pm

The newest ESPN mock draft has Portland drafting Sharpe at 7 for he's likely the last player left in the
second tier of prospects after the three bigs go 1-3. FYI, Sochan and Eason are projected 16, 18 for
neither player is projected as a player with a lot of upside.

There is a real chance the Kings could do what the Kings usually do which is scramble up the first round
by reaching for a player outside of the top tiers. If Portland keeps their pick, its likely Sharpe/Daniels
will be the pick. Outside chance Murray could get there for Murray has a lower ceiling than either player.

Post #438 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:45 pm

I'm really getting sold at Daniels or Sochan at seven. I read a bit about Dyson back during the winter because we weren't doing great and I liked what I read, but him measuring bigger than expected at the combine is pretty huge. He's been described as an ideal five in the playoffs with his size, quickness and his ability to switch.

I really think we have to start thinking about those types of Cs. Nurk is great, I love Nurk, but we have seen he got beat off the bounce and in schemes by smaller fives. The most glaring is when of course Davis is shifted to the five. Nurk just can't keep up with him.

BlazersBroncos · Post #439 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:19 pm

Watch on YouTube

Man I want this kid in a Blazer jersey. You sure can tell he is a student of the game and mature beyond his years. Clearly the child of a coach. Modest, motivated, articulate. Just screams day-1 contributor. If he is there at 7, I am convinced we take him. Exactly the type of character, defense first, unselfish workhorse that the FO and Billups seem to be targeting.

Sadly I dont think he is there at 7.

Goldbum · Post #440 » by **Goldbum** » Wed Jun 1, 2022 2:12 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Man I want this kid in a Blazer jersey. You sure can tell he is a student of the game and mature beyond his years. Clearly the child of a coach. Modest, motivated, articulate. Just screams day-1 contributor. If he is there at 7, I am convinced we take him. Exactly the type of character, defense first, unselfish workhorse that the FO and Billups seem to be targeting.

Sadly I dont think he is there at 7.

Agree 100%... but I think he'll be there.