2024 NBA Draft (euro season, college season, scouting, prospects etc)

Norm2953 · Post #421 » by **Norm2953** » Wed May 15, 2024 7:17 pm

Given his work at the combine, its very likely Clingan will be long gone by 7. Houston which has
a rich history with drafting bigs and a glut of forwards, could easily pick him at 3

I think the pick at 7 will come down to Castle, Buzelis and Holland. Injury concerns with Topic
and Dillingham being 6-1 164 lbs and 6-3 WS make them candidates to drop. If not for losing
the coin flip tiebreaker :banghead:

we're picking behind the Hornets again, which means they likely will take the player we'd
prefer.

The Wizards board keeps talking of the Wizards picking Holland at 2, that will shuffle the board
up a bit.

I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7. That would leave them free to pick up
a bigger body at 14

Walton1one · Post #422 » by **Walton1one** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:17 pm

I'd be just fine with Clingan going early, I just do not think he is worth the #7 pick, especially for the Blazers. Even if you buy the defense translating to the NBA, not a given, I just cannot envision him ever reaching what POR already has in the much maligned Ayton, who is still only 25 BTW.

Ayton's career averages are 16.7 & 10.5 59% FG% with a 20.3 PER, unless you think Clingan (or Edey) can meet\beat that level of production, I see no reason to take either, at #14? Maybe.

Walton1one · Post #423 » by **Walton1one** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:28 pm

Goldbum wrote:One of Risacher, Castle, Buzelis or Holland should be there at 7 we just need either 2 guards or 1 guard and Clingan to get picked ahead of us along with Sarr. If not I'm okay with Williams but it's going to be a long time before he really contributes. Holland + Salaun/Ware or Smith s÷ms the most likely combo. I think Holland + Salaun could be a gome run in 2 years.

I agree on your points, Williams would be ok, but I worry that it may take several years (his 2nd contract?) before you discover if reaches his ceiling or not...

I think I would have the players ranked 1)Sarr 2a) Risacher 2b) Castle 3) Holland 4) Buzelis 5) Williams?

Salaun has a lot of helium, but I wonder if he really justifies it or he is just the flavor of the month...

Questions about Ware's effort\intensity level are a red flag for me, I would pass.

I like Tyler Smith and I have seen\read several people mention that he is under ranked right now to where he will likely be drafted.

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #424 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:29 pm

Norm2953 wrote:I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7.

I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

monopoman · Post #425 » by **monopoman** » Wed May 15, 2024 11:05 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7.

I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

At least one team is likely to go off script in the first 6 picks of the draft, I would not be blown away to see one of these fall to 7.

cdubbz · Post #426 » by **cdubbz** » Thu May 16, 2024 12:37 am

I don’t think Clings will drop to 7, but if he does we have to take him. Im not the biggest Clingan guy, but at 7 it’s the right choice.

Butter · Post #427 » by **Butter** » Thu May 16, 2024 1:55 am

Reading Castle's draft profile reminds me of Brandon Roy

tester551 · Post #428 » by **tester551** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:19 am

cdubbz wrote:I don’t think Clings will drop to 7, but if he does we have to take him. Im not the biggest Clingan guy, but at 7 it’s the right choice.

Why?
Drop coverage C don't impact the game unless they have outlier skill on Offense.

I wouldn't draft Clingan (or Edey) until around pick 15

Norm2953 · Post #429 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 16, 2024 5:16 am

tester551 wrote:
cdubbz wrote:I don’t think Clings will drop to 7, but if he does we have to take him. Im not the biggest Clingan guy, but at 7 it’s the right choice.

Why?
Drop coverage C don't impact the game unless they have outlier skill on Offense.

I wouldn't draft Clingan (or Edey) until around pick 15

IN the NBA combine, Clingan seems to have opened some eyes much like Lively did last year with a
natural 3 point stroke. Just because he did not demonstrate any 3 point shot doesn't mean its not
there for his college coach who just won two NCAA championships, asked him to concentrate on
playing defense and rebounding.

A potential red flag are foot injury concerns but I wouldn't worry about for I think he's going to be
a top 5 pick. He will be someone else's problem if he has a bad foot

monopoman · Post #430 » by **monopoman** » Thu May 16, 2024 5:21 am

Butter wrote:Reading Castle's draft profile reminds me of Brandon Roy

If he does become a Roy level player it sure would be nice to have him, **** Roy or Oden was likely our best chance at a championship assuming both didn't get injured like that.

Norm2953 · Post #431 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 16, 2024 5:33 am

Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7.

I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

Butter · Post #432 » by **Butter** » Thu May 16, 2024 6:07 am

Norm2953 wrote:
Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7.

I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

I went back and double checked. Amen and Ausar Thompson were both 210lbs+ at the combine.

Blazinaway · Post #433 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu May 16, 2024 1:11 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I don't mind Portland picking Castle, Matas or Holland at 7.

I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

I think you guys are sleeping a bit on the PG's (Reed, Dilly) going top 6, most of those teams need a PG, even Houston needs to groom someone to replace FVV, forgot to add Topic who very possibly goes Top 6

Pattycakes · Post #434 » by **Pattycakes** » Thu May 16, 2024 1:36 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
Tim Lehrbach wrote:
I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

I think you guys are sleeping a bit on the PG's (Reed, Dilly) going top 6, most of those teams need a PG, even Houston needs to groom someone to replace FVV, forgot to add Topic who very possibly goes Top 6

Agreed. Holland should fall to us imo, I see a couple pg going before him, and think the pistons choose Matas as well. I might be just optimistic but I envision the blazers would value him a lot and even trade up if necessary. He’s 18, has some of the highest potl of anyone in the draft. They’ve drafted Ant, Shae and Scoot.. to think Ron Holland isn’t on their targets I think would be crazy

Blazinaway · Post #435 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu May 16, 2024 2:20 pm

Salaun with a really good Euro playoff game

Read on Twitter

Norm2953 · Post #436 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 16, 2024 2:31 pm

Real chance one of those guys goes top 6 but injury concerns over Topic (keeps hurting the
same foot) pushes him down a bit from 4 to 8 on my board.

Both Reed and Dillingham measured out at 6-1 164 lbs with a 6-3 WS, which mean neither can
play SG for they are smaller than Simons. There are real doubts Reed like Simons can play PG
but he at least like Simons can jump 42” vertical.

Guys like Castle and the two bigs made Millions this week particularly Edey who showed well in
agility drills. Knecht at 6-5.25 210 lbs is the most pro ready player, like this years Jaime Jacquez
and is one of the few shooters but a good team like Houston has a bunch of wings doesn’t
need him.

Hopefully Houston at 3 grabs one of the guards, leaving one of the forwards to Portland.

zzaj · Post #437 » by **zzaj** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:19 pm

Blazinaway wrote:Salaun with a really good Euro playoff game

Read on Twitter

I love Salaun and have been championing him for a long while--kid is a hussle bucket waiting to happen. That 35 footer was

zzaj · Post #438 » by **zzaj** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:31 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
Tim Lehrbach wrote:
I haven't done enough homework and am not wild about anybody yet, but those are the three of whom I am hoping at least one drops to 7. But my early, pessimistic prediction is that the draft goes:

1. Sarr
2. Risacher
3. Holland
4. Castle
5. Buzelis
6. Williams

I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

I think you guys are sleeping a bit on the PG's (Reed, Dilly) going top 6, most of those teams need a PG, even Houston needs to groom someone to replace FVV, forgot to add Topic who very possibly goes Top 6

Yeah, I agree with you...I think at least one of the PGs is going to get taken. My vote is either Topic or Sheppard to San Antonio. Wemby has the defensive skill set to clean up a lot of defensive issues that a smaller guard might have.

PS. It's so interesting to me how the PG role has changed in the past 30 years. It used to be that 6'3" was a tall PG--most were 6'0"-6'2". Players like Stoudamire, Terrell Brandon, and Mark Price probably wouldn't get drafted in today's NBA.

cdubbz · Post #439 » by **cdubbz** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:31 pm

tester551 wrote:
cdubbz wrote:I don’t think Clings will drop to 7, but if he does we have to take him. Im not the biggest Clingan guy, but at 7 it’s the right choice.

Why?
Drop coverage C don't impact the game unless they have outlier skill on Offense.

I wouldn't draft Clingan (or Edey) until around pick 15

Because Clingan won't drop to 15 (unless there is health issues). I compared Clingan to a version of Roy Hibbert and at 7 I think a shot blocking big that can pass from the high post is a good pick. I wasn't high on his foot speed before, but he can work on it entering the NBA. Just like Hibbert and any other 7'2+ big -- don't think Clingan is a 30+ mpg guy. But that's okay.

Norm2953 · Post #440 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:42 pm

zzaj wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
I've got the draft as:

1) Sarr
2) Risacher
3) Clingan
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Holland

I don't know who Portland would take here for its too early for Edey and Knecht is a pro ready 6-6 player.
They could take Cody Williams but he weighs 178 lbs in 2024 and might not be ready to play until 2026

I think you guys are sleeping a bit on the PG's (Reed, Dilly) going top 6, most of those teams need a PG, even Houston needs to groom someone to replace FVV, forgot to add Topic who very possibly goes Top 6

Yeah, I agree with you...I think at least one of the PGs is going to get taken. My vote is either Topic or Sheppard to San Antonio. Wemby has the defensive skill set to clean up a lot of defensive issues that a smaller guard might have.

PS. It's so interesting to me how the PG role has changed in the past 30 years. It used to be that 6'3" was a tall PG--most were 6'0"-6'2". Players like Stoudamire, Terrell Brandon, and Mark Price probably wouldn't get drafted in today's NBA.

Topic would have gone 4 on my board but he keeps hurting the same foot and the Spurs who also pick eighth in the
first round, don't have to gamble at 4 to get him.

Point of reference with the two UK guards.Simons back in 2019, measured out at 6-1.5 187 lbs, which means he at 19
was 25 lbs heavier than either the UK guards. Scoot measured out at 6-2 195 with a 6-9 WS

I'd like to see Portland draft Edey at 14. The guy is enormous at 7-4 299 lbs with a 7-11 WS and really looked good
in drills, showing off (like Clingan) a natural 3 point stroke.