FREE AGENCY 2024

[Goldbum]

I'm hearing that LAL had a takecit or leave it offer. Cronin thinks he can do better and so does my source. I wish I had more to share but things are real quiet.
I did hear that Scoot has a video of some TJ McConnell footage he's working on adding to his game (along with guys you'd expect but McConnell stood out...).

[Pattycakes]

I'm hearing that LAL had a takecit or leave it offer. Cronin thinks he can do better and so does my source. I wish I had more to share but things are real quiet.
I did hear that Scoot has a video of some TJ McConnell footage he's working on adding to his game (along with guys you'd expect but McConnell stood out...).

It’s hilarious to me that a projected 10th seed with “championship aspirations” would play hard ball at this point.

It’s almost like they are just openly admitting they have no future now, and that the present team isn’t worth it - so they can’t afford to really make any dedicated moves. Besides my bias against lebron and LAL, it’s always sad to see this level of purgatory. Luka isn’t happening, and they’ll put the next 5 years into that media spin..

[Walton1one]

there are several significant problems with the Grant to LA Lakers idea

the first is the Lakers are only about 40K below the 2nd apron. Meaning they have to send out more salary than they take back. Grant makes 29.8M. DLO+Vincent doesn't work; neither does DLO+Vandy. And DLO make 1.7M more than Hachimura meaning subbing him in for DLO creates a bigger problem.

then, if the Lakers add a small contract they are doing a 3 for 1 trade and barely staying under the 2nd apron with 13 players. Meaning they jump into 2nd apron hell when they are forced, by rule, to sign a 14th player. And of course Portland adding a 2nd small contract to Grant only exacerbates the 2nd apron issues

the other major problem is that any team trading a Grant or Cam Johnson or whoever will pretty much demand a guaranteed 1st round pick. And there's simply no way, IMO, the Lakers would be that stupid. They only have 3 available 1st's in 2029-2030-2031 and I don't believe there's a chance they make any of those picks unprotected

I don't think the Grant to LAL trade was ever close to happening. Way too many obstacles and I think one of them is probably Cronin asking too much

That is not necessarily true, POR\LAL could do a 3 for 2 trade Grant and another player like Reath\Walker\Banton for Rui (or DLO)\Vincent & either JHS or Knecht. Banton in particular could be intriguing b\c he could be cut before the season starts and LAL would only be on the hook for $217.5k of his $2.19m, saving them $1.979m, which they could then use to sign another player if they chose to do so.

If I did the math correct they would also save $100k in a Rui\Vincent\JHS deal for Grant\Banton. If Dlo was subbed for Rui, they would save an additional $1.7m instead. So total under the cap of $2.19m in Rui deal or $3.56m in Dlo deal.

Veteran minimum is dependent on service time, but for 2024 is anywhere from $1.157m to $3.3m (10+ yrs)

Even cutting Banton, if they signed one vet minimum contract they would be at 14 players (including Bronny Jr) + they have (3) 2-way players to cycle into that 15th spot. So yeah, very tight, but doable, but this is the position they put themselves into.

[Wizenheimer]

there are several significant problems with the Grant to LA Lakers idea

the first is the Lakers are only about 40K below the 2nd apron. Meaning they have to send out more salary than they take back. Grant makes 29.8M. DLO+Vincent doesn't work; neither does DLO+Vandy. And DLO make 1.7M more than Hachimura meaning subbing him in for DLO creates a bigger problem.

then, if the Lakers add a small contract they are doing a 3 for 1 trade and barely staying under the 2nd apron with 13 players. Meaning they jump into 2nd apron hell when they are forced, by rule, to sign a 14th player. And of course Portland adding a 2nd small contract to Grant only exacerbates the 2nd apron issues

the other major problem is that any team trading a Grant or Cam Johnson or whoever will pretty much demand a guaranteed 1st round pick. And there's simply no way, IMO, the Lakers would be that stupid. They only have 3 available 1st's in 2029-2030-2031 and I don't believe there's a chance they make any of those picks unprotected

I don't think the Grant to LAL trade was ever close to happening. Way too many obstacles and I think one of them is probably Cronin asking too much

That is not necessarily true, POR\LAL could do a 3 for 2 trade Grant and another player like Reath\Walker\Banton for Rui (or DLO)\Vincent & either JHS or Knecht. Banton in particular could be intriguing b\c he could be cut before the season starts and LAL would only be on the hook for $217.5k of his $2.19m, saving them $1.979m, which they could then use to sign another player if they chose to do so.

If I did the math correct they would also save $100k in a Rui\Vincent\JHS deal for Grant\Banton. If Dlo was subbed for Rui, they would save an additional $1.7m instead. So total under the cap of $2.19m in Rui deal or $3.56m in Dlo deal.

Veteran minimum is dependent on service time, but for 2024 is anywhere from $1.157m to $3.3m (10+ yrs)

Even cutting Banton, if they signed one vet minimum contract they would be at 14 players (including Bronny Jr) + they have (3) 2-way players to cycle into that 15th spot. So yeah, very tight, but doable, but this is the position they put themselves into.

yeah, there are possible trade contortions that could make the trade legal, but it still locks the Lakers into that bad space of just being below the 2nd apron with very little wiggle room and Grant their only possible upgrade

and, nothing about that trade looks like enough of an upgrade, to me at least, to justify the Lakers giving up an unprotected pick or two first's (which would require an unprotected pick anyway, if not both). And considering we're talking about picks 5-7 years from now, the risk is simply too high the pick(s) will be too valuable

I think the best Portland could hope for is the 2029 first (lottery protected)-->2030 first (top 7-10 protected)-->if not conveyed, 1 or 2 second round picks. Even then, that wipes out any tradable first's for the Lakers except their 2031 first. If Cronin is demanding more than that, and the rumors are he is, any Grant to Laker deal is DOA, IMO

[BlazersBroncos]

there are several significant problems with the Grant to LA Lakers idea

the first is the Lakers are only about 40K below the 2nd apron. Meaning they have to send out more salary than they take back. Grant makes 29.8M. DLO+Vincent doesn't work; neither does DLO+Vandy. And DLO make 1.7M more than Hachimura meaning subbing him in for DLO creates a bigger problem.

then, if the Lakers add a small contract they are doing a 3 for 1 trade and barely staying under the 2nd apron with 13 players. Meaning they jump into 2nd apron hell when they are forced, by rule, to sign a 14th player. And of course Portland adding a 2nd small contract to Grant only exacerbates the 2nd apron issues

the other major problem is that any team trading a Grant or Cam Johnson or whoever will pretty much demand a guaranteed 1st round pick. And there's simply no way, IMO, the Lakers would be that stupid. They only have 3 available 1st's in 2029-2030-2031 and I don't believe there's a chance they make any of those picks unprotected

I don't think the Grant to LAL trade was ever close to happening. Way too many obstacles and I think one of them is probably Cronin asking too much

That is not necessarily true, POR\LAL could do a 3 for 2 trade Grant and another player like Reath\Walker\Banton for Rui (or DLO)\Vincent & either JHS or Knecht. Banton in particular could be intriguing b\c he could be cut before the season starts and LAL would only be on the hook for $217.5k of his $2.19m, saving them $1.979m, which they could then use to sign another player if they chose to do so.

If I did the math correct they would also save $100k in a Rui\Vincent\JHS deal for Grant\Banton. If Dlo was subbed for Rui, they would save an additional $1.7m instead. So total under the cap of $2.19m in Rui deal or $3.56m in Dlo deal.

Veteran minimum is dependent on service time, but for 2024 is anywhere from $1.157m to $3.3m (10+ yrs)

Even cutting Banton, if they signed one vet minimum contract they would be at 14 players (including Bronny Jr) + they have (3) 2-way players to cycle into that 15th spot. So yeah, very tight, but doable, but this is the position they put themselves into.

yeah, there are possible trade contortions that could make the trade legal, but it still locks the Lakers into that bad space of just being below the 2nd apron with very little wiggle room and Grant their only possible upgrade

and, nothing about that trade looks like enough of an upgrade, to me at least, to justify the Lakers giving up an unprotected pick or two first's (which would require an unprotected pick anyway, if not both). And considering we're talking about picks 5-7 years from now, the risk is simply too high the pick(s) will be too valuable

I think the best Portland could hope for is the 2029 first (lottery protected)-->2030 first (top 7-10 protected)-->if not conveyed, 1 or 2 second round picks. Even then, that wipes out any tradable first's for the Lakers except their 2031 first. If Cronin is demanding more than that, and the rumors are he is, any Grant to Laker deal is DOA, IMO

I am with you. I am not sure the upgrade from Rui to Grant is worth a FRP - much less anything with minimal protection - much much less more than 1 FRP.

Grant is a better player - much better 3PT volume at a better % - more twitchy - more versatile defensively. But is he worth twice the contract as Rui? Is he worth twice the contract PLUS the loss of one of LAL's last few FRP? What about his rebounding? What about being locked into that deal with a PO when he is like 33?

[PDXKnight]

That is not necessarily true, POR\LAL could do a 3 for 2 trade Grant and another player like Reath\Walker\Banton for Rui (or DLO)\Vincent & either JHS or Knecht. Banton in particular could be intriguing b\c he could be cut before the season starts and LAL would only be on the hook for $217.5k of his $2.19m, saving them $1.979m, which they could then use to sign another player if they chose to do so.

If I did the math correct they would also save $100k in a Rui\Vincent\JHS deal for Grant\Banton. If Dlo was subbed for Rui, they would save an additional $1.7m instead. So total under the cap of $2.19m in Rui deal or $3.56m in Dlo deal.

Veteran minimum is dependent on service time, but for 2024 is anywhere from $1.157m to $3.3m (10+ yrs)

Even cutting Banton, if they signed one vet minimum contract they would be at 14 players (including Bronny Jr) + they have (3) 2-way players to cycle into that 15th spot. So yeah, very tight, but doable, but this is the position they put themselves into.

yeah, there are possible trade contortions that could make the trade legal, but it still locks the Lakers into that bad space of just being below the 2nd apron with very little wiggle room and Grant their only possible upgrade

and, nothing about that trade looks like enough of an upgrade, to me at least, to justify the Lakers giving up an unprotected pick or two first's (which would require an unprotected pick anyway, if not both). And considering we're talking about picks 5-7 years from now, the risk is simply too high the pick(s) will be too valuable

I think the best Portland could hope for is the 2029 first (lottery protected)-->2030 first (top 7-10 protected)-->if not conveyed, 1 or 2 second round picks. Even then, that wipes out any tradable first's for the Lakers except their 2031 first. If Cronin is demanding more than that, and the rumors are he is, any Grant to Laker deal is DOA, IMO

I am with you. I am not sure the upgrade from Rui to Grant is worth a FRP - much less anything with minimal protection - much much less more than 1 FRP.

Grant is a better player - much better 3PT volume at a better % - more twitchy - more versatile defensively. But is he worth twice the contract as Rui? Is he worth twice the contract PLUS the loss of one of LAL's last few FRP? What about his rebounding? What about being locked into that deal with a PO when he is like 33?

Yeah there's a lot that goes into it. I'm wagering la gave us their top legitimate offer and it wasn't much at least in Cronins eyes.

[PDXKnight]

Never in my life have I seen more fake articles entitled "xyz player get traded from the Blazers for xyz players/picks... in mock trade"

[Walton1one]

Ok, here is a potential deal b\t POR & MEM

POR sends Williams, Walker & Banton

MEM sends Clarke, Aldama (could be LaRavia instead) & (1) 2nd (either 25' most favorable b\t HOU\OKC or 27' via ATL)

MEM gambles on Williams. Look, I get the negative trade value of Williams perpetually peddled on this\main trade forum, HOWEVER I don't think NBA teams view Williams in the same light as fans do. He is young (25), tied up for 2yrs on a cheap contract ($12\$13mil), and most importantly, he has PROVEN to be a difference maker not just in the regular season but in the playoffs, when games matter most. He is worth the risk for a team with playoff aspirations.

There have been several permeations of a Williams to MEM deal out there already. The latest from the ever reliable BR that one had Williams for Clarke & (2) 2nd round picks (26' & 27'). I am not sure that would be enticing enough for POR.

Aldama is interesting b\c he is young (23), he had a pretty decent season, but yet his name has come up in various MEM trade rumors. I can only surmise that this might be b\c he is a FA next year and MEM has both GG (now hurt, out a few months) and LaRavia whom they might like better (and cheaper) already on the roster.

Clarke is damaged goods himself (he is coming off an achilles injury), he has had only 1yr playing over 60 games, he is older (28) and his contract is for an additional year (3yrs total), he also doesn't have the playoff pedigree that Williams has.

Now this deal could just be Williams for Clarke and a couple of 2nd's as rumored, however I think if POR is going to deal Williams before the season then they want a late 1st or a young player back in the deal, otherwise I think they gamble, see if he can stay healthy\build up trade value, and even if he can't, they could likely still get a similar deal at the deadline.

Is getting a young player like Aldama (or LaRavia) back could be enticing enough for POR? Maybe? He fits the timeline.

The other aspect of this deal is the inclusion of Walker\Banton, POR clears a roster spot by swapping 3 for 2, which has benefit. The inclusion of Banton, also could be beneficial to MEM as he could be cut to save additional money if needed. If Aldama is dealt, Banton cut, MEM could be $ 2.8 under the cap, enough to sign a vet minimum contract and remain under the tax.

Still some names out there:
Fultz? Gallinari? Crowder? Morris? Bertans?

[Walton1one]

I'd follow that up with Thybulle\Reath to LAL for Vincent\JHS and a 25' 2nd

PG Simons, Scoot, Vincent
SG Sharpe, JHS, Rupert
SF Avdija, Camara, Murray
PF Grant, Clarke
C Ayton, Clingan, Aldama

Simons can switch b\t PG\SG
Vincent 3rd PG
Rupert in G-League
Clarke spot minutes
Aldama at b\u PF, he could also see spot minutes at C (acting 3rd string)
Flyer on JHS as 3rd SG (behind Sharpe\Simons)

Something like a 9-man rotation until either Simons\Grant are dealt: Simons, Scoot, Sharpe, Avdija, Camara, Grant, Aldama, Ayon & Clingan with Vincent\Clarke next, Murray & JHS on bench\shuttling to\from G-League.

Still have Simons & Grant to deal away (likely just one), but now have an open roster spot(opening lopsided trade\palyers coming back) and still a 2-way spot open.

Gain a 25' 2nd, right now likely POR does not have one (ATL 2nd will not convey) & a 27' 2nd.

[tester551]

Ok, here is a potential deal b\t POR & MEM

POR sends Williams, Walker & Banton

MEM sends Clarke, Aldama (could be LaRavia instead) & (1) 2nd (either 25' most favorable b\t HOU\OKC or 27' via ATL)

This is a bad trade for Portland.

There have been several permeations of a Williams to MEM deal out there already. The latest from the ever reliable BR that one had Williams for Clarke & (2) 2nd round picks (26' & 27'). I am not sure that would be enticing enough for POR.

This is a much better scenario for Portland... but I'm not sure they pull the trigger with that.

Is getting a young player like Aldama (or LaRavia) back could be enticing enough for POR? Maybe? He fits the timeline.

No.
I'd rather keep Walker than get Aldama.

[tester551]

I'd follow that up with Thybulle\Reath to LAL for Vincent\JHS and a 25' 2nd

Why would anyone do this trade?

Vincent has a second year on his contract for ~$11M. I guess if someone was high on JHS coming out of college - then maybe.... but I don't see it with him.

All this does is downgrade talent while adding salary - for a measly 2nd round pick.

[Walton1one]

Why would anyone do this trade?

Vincent has a second year on his contract for ~$11M. I guess if someone was high on JHS coming out of college - then maybe.... but I don't see it with him.

All this does is downgrade talent while adding salary - for a measly 2nd round pick.

So I take it you don't like Aldama?

I'll address the LAL deal first:

What exactly do you think Thybulle & Reath are worth? I'll give you an answer, not much. Thybulle is maybe worth a 2nd rounder\maybe (2) to a team desperate enough, but more likely might end up salary filler in a deal. Reath is worth less, nice story and all, but I don't think the line is long for teams looking for 29yr old 2nd year bench players.

JHS is a 21yr old 6'5 SG, excels more at mid-range, needs to work on 3pt shot, was drafted in 23', who put up good stats in G-League (22pts/43.2% from 3pt on 5.4 att\g) before he had back surgery.

The 2nd round pick is in 25', a good draft and where POR likely does not have a 2nd rounder (POR has rights to ATL 2nd round pick but ONLY if they finish with a bottom 9 worst record (unlikely), otherwise they get nothing, their own 2nd is owned by TOR). I'd say that is pretty good value back.

The benefit to LAL would be getting (2) rotation players for (2) players who are likely NOT in the rotation, both coming off of injury, JHS not likely to play for a bit still, not sure about Vincent, they also shave a year off of Vincent's deal.

LAL already have Vanderbilt and now Wood both expected to miss time, Reath would be a nice b\u, eventual 3rd big man, Thybulle adds a defensive wing to spell Reaves, instead of having to rely on rookies/2nd year players, Knecht, Christie (both ahead of JHS), or Bronny (hah).

As for the MEM deal:
Hey, I'd rather have a 1st back from MEM in this deal instead, but not sure that is a possibility right now or even at the trade deadline. If POR holds onto him, they are basically pushing all their chips in on the "he will stay healthy, look good" betting line and hoping to see it payoff (in a 1st coming back), it is possible, maybe 50\50 shot at best?

What is not to like about Aldama? He put up 11 & 6 in 26min LY, shot a decent 34.9% from 3pt (5/att), still young (23), good size (6'11). We are talking about a future b\u big here, not a starter. Would be a nice b\u for Clingan once Ayton is gone.

Walker likely won't even be here next year, he is a glorified SF that can only play PF, he shot 29.5% from 3pt LY, averaged 9 & 7 in 23.6min. Does anyone miss Trendon Watford, that is what Walker is, a slightly better Trendon Watford.

I'd rather pay to have Aldama coming off the bench than Walker (both are FA next year), at least Aldama has a clear role. Neither Walker or Banton are long-term rotation players for POR, Aldama at least could be. In lieu of a POR getting a 1st back for Williams, I'd rather get Aldama & a 2nd back for him, rather than (2) 2nd round picks.

[tester551]

What exactly do you think Thybulle & Reath are worth? I'll give you an answer, not much. Thybulle is maybe worth a 2nd rounder\maybe (2) to a team desperate enough, but more likely might end up salary filler in a deal. Reath is worth less, nice story and all, but I don't think the line is long for teams looking for 29yr old 2nd year bench players.

Agreed.

JHS is a 21yr old 6'5 SG, excels more at mid-range, needs to work on 3pt shot, was drafted in 23', who put up good stats in G-League (22pts/43.2% from 3pt on 5.4 att\g) before he had back surgery.

Meh. I don't think JHS is worth anything myself. I'm not impressed. I could see an argument that Thybulle <=> JHS

The 2nd round pick is in 25', a good draft and where POR likely does not have a 2nd rounder (POR has rights to ATL 2nd round pick but ONLY if they finish with a bottom 9 worst record (unlikely), otherwise they get nothing, their own 2nd is owned by TOR). I'd say that is pretty good value back.

So this second provides compensation for Reath.

The benefit to LAL would be getting (2) rotation players for (2) players who are likely NOT in the rotation, both coming off of injury, JHS not likely to play for a bit still, not sure about Vincent, they also shave a year off of Vincent's deal.

This is where your valuation falls apart. Lakers get to dump Vincent's $11M salary in 25/26 season for nothing. I have him as a negative value contract.


Regarding Aldama vs Walker, I think you're underselling Walker. He does a lot of the dirty work and is a much needed energy player on this team.

Last season I thought the Blazers played a lot better when Walker was on the floor versus when Grant was...
Grant is the better player, but he rarely impacts the game.

[BlazersBroncos]

I wouldn’t pay Walker or Aldama more than like BAE money.

I like Santi more b/c he can shoot the 3, but I think he gets overpaid due to that as well and won’t be worth his deal to a rebuild team. He could be worth the deal to a playoff team who needs help floor stretching tho IMO.

Walker is a master of none who is a 3rd stringer on any sort of decent team.

[Walton1one]

Meh. I don't think JHS is worth anything myself. I'm not impressed. I could see an argument that Thybulle <=> JHS

Well, Thybulle is worth nothing to POR right now. He serves no purpose on this team other than the hope they can get something of value for him by trading him.

JHS played in only 21 games with LAL (15 in G-League) before he was sidelined with back surgery. He is only 21yrs old, on his rookie deal (3 more years of team control), has good size (6'5) for a guard. Unless there are lingering injury concerns, this is pretty good value back for Thybulle (a young player, under team control).

So this second provides compensation for Reath.

The 2nd is compensation for the 2nd year of Vincent's deal, Reath is just salary filler, someone has to be. He is a nice story and all, but, value-wise his worth is negligible.

POR deals (2) players with marginal (at best) trade value and gets a 25' 2nd and JHS and they take on a year of Vincent's deal to make the numbers work. JHS was a 1st round pick LY (#17) & the 2nd rounder (from LAL or LAC) is likely to be mid-round in what is looking likely to be a strong draft. Not sure how you could expect those two players to return better value than that, I doubt they will.

Regarding Aldama vs Walker, I think you're underselling Walker. He does a lot of the dirty work and is a much needed energy player on this team.

Walker is a 10th+ bench guy on a team, meaning replaceable, not in a good teams' rotation. He is likely on the fringe of POR rotation to start the year and they are a bad team. He is a VERY replaceable player (like Watford), and while I agree his effort\energy are nice and all, the fact is he is an undersized big who doesn't have an outside shot, meaning not very valuable.

Aldama OTOH, has good size, has a much better outside shot and is also young. Both players' contracts are up after this year. Aldama would at least have a role in POR (b\u big) and with the new CBA, I think is worth the risk to bring in and see how he fits. There would be a decent chance under this new CBA that POR could re-sign him, if they wanted to, to a pretty reasonable deal. There are not scheduled to be a lot of teams with cap space next year and it is clear that teams do not want to go above the punitive 2nd apron, so players like Aldama could see their contract values squeezed, look what is happening with Okoro right now.

One guy (Aldama) has a potential role\would be a better fit, the other guy has no role and is not really a good fit (POR needs guys who can shoot, right?). I agree, certainly don't want to overpay the guy, but I am not sure he will get that much under this new CBA anyway, so risk (leaves in FA and POR gets nothing) is worth potential reward IMO (re-signs with POR on team-friendly deal and provides cover\backup for POR to deal Ayton or let him walk after next season).

Also, it is easy to forget that Aldama is also young (23) and would fit the younger players' timeline (like Avdija does).

[JRoy]

Meh. I don't think JHS is worth anything myself. I'm not impressed. I could see an argument that Thybulle <=> JHS

Well, Thybulle is worth nothing to POR right now. He serves no purpose on this team other than the hope they can get something of value for him by trading him.

JHS played in only 21 games with LAL (15 in G-League) before he was sidelined with back surgery. He is only 21yrs old, on his rookie deal (3 more years of team control), has good size (6'5) for a guard. Unless there are lingering injury concerns, this is pretty good value back for Thybulle (a young player, under team control).

So this second provides compensation for Reath.

The 2nd is compensation for the 2nd year of Vincent's deal, Reath is just salary filler, someone has to be. He is a nice story and all, but, value-wise his worth is negligible.

POR deals (2) players with marginal (at best) trade value and gets a 25' 2nd and JHS and they take on a year of Vincent's deal to make the numbers work. JHS was a 1st round pick LY (#17) & the 2nd rounder (from LAL or LAC) is likely to be mid-round in what is looking likely to be a strong draft. Not sure how you could expect those two players to return better value than that, I doubt they will.

Regarding Aldama vs Walker, I think you're underselling Walker. He does a lot of the dirty work and is a much needed energy player on this team.

Walker is a 10th+ bench guy on a team, meaning replaceable, not in a good teams' rotation. He is likely on the fringe of POR rotation to start the year and they are a bad team. He is a VERY replaceable player (like Watford), and while I agree his effort\energy are nice and all, the fact is he is an undersized big who doesn't have an outside shot, meaning not very valuable.

Aldama OTOH, has good size, has a much better outside shot and is also young. Both players' contracts are up after this year. Aldama would at least have a role in POR (b\u big) and with the new CBA, I think is worth the risk to bring in and see how he fits. There would be a decent chance under this new CBA that POR could re-sign him, if they wanted to, to a pretty reasonable deal. There are not scheduled to be a lot of teams with cap space next year and it is clear that teams do not want to go above the punitive 2nd apron, so players like Aldama could see their contract values squeezed, look what is happening with Okoro right now.

One guy (Aldama) has a potential role\would be a better fit, the other guy has no role and is not really a good fit (POR needs guys who can shoot, right?). I agree, certainly don't want to overpay the guy, but I am not sure he will get that much under this new CBA anyway, so risk (leaves in FA and POR gets nothing) is worth potential reward IMO (re-signs with POR on team-friendly deal and provides cover\backup for POR to deal Ayton or let him walk after next season).

Also, it is easy to forget that Aldama is also young (23) and would fit the younger players' timeline (like Avdija does).

I’m not a Reath jocker but he has modest value as a big with a 3 point shot and a small contract.

I’d say he’s worth 2 SRP or 1 SRP and a modest bench player.

[BlazersBroncos]

I wonder if NYK will have interest in Reath if/when Sims and Achiuwa are not competent at that backup C spot.

Reath for Filler (KBD or Sims or Payne or Chuma) + 2025 MEM or BOS SRP (More Favorable) + 2028 BOS SRP works.

[Walton1one]

Here is another team with rumored interest in Williams, NYK

Would you do Williams\Reath for Robinson\Dadiet & either DET or WAS 25' 1st?

Before anyone gets excited, neither pick is likely to convey in 25' or at all.

DET pick is protected the next 3yrs 1-13/1-11/1-9 and then becomes a 27' 2nd
WAS pick is protected the next 2yrs 1-10/1-8 and then becomes (2) 2nd's 26' & 27'
OR if even that seems too rich for some, then POR could ask for 3-4 2nd rounders (NYK have (10) thru 31' they could deal)

Dadiet would seem like a decent flyer, cause Thibodeux is not going to let that guy sniff the court for several years at best, so what value does he have to a team trying to win now?

Robinson makes sense to be included just to make the salaries\contracts\# of players work, otherwise you are looking at a 3/4 for 1 type deal, which would cause other issues for NYK.

Adding Reath to the deal offers some protections for Williams to NYK.

I’m not a Reath jocker but he has modest value as a big with a 3 point shot and a small contract.
I’d say he’s worth 2 SRP or 1 SRP and a modest bench player.

I mean, maybe? More likely he is a value-add throw-in to a multi-player deal. I would think, given POR C logjam, that if a team was interested in Reath and offering multiple 2nd's, Reath would be gone already. He is 4th in line at the C spot for a 21-win team.

[Walton1one]

I wonder if NYK will have interest in Reath if/when Sims and Achiuwa are not competent at that backup C spot.

Reath for Filler (KBD or Sims or Payne or Chuma) + 2025 MEM or BOS SRP (More Favorable) + 2028 BOS SRP works.

lol, I was just working on that when I saw your post

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont think there is a chance that NYK moves Robinson for Williams. Its hard for them to make trades that match RWIII salary.

Think Reath would be much more realistic.

Also dont think NKY adds a FRP to a Robinson / Diadet for RWII / Thybulle swap.

I could see LAC being interested in RWIII - but they dont really have any picks to offer, even SRPs. Maybe RWIII for Tucker's EC and Christie (Who would be a nice fit as a long term bench shooter at SG to backup Sharpe - assuming we jettison Simons someday). Dont see them having interest in MT being in the mix as well with their stable of 3/D guys (Batum / Dunn / Mann)