Roy Hibbert - Indy says they will match/offer same terms.

DusterBuster · Post #441 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 3:49 am

Any source on those numbers Jack?

If true, and I have know clue if it's even possible, that's quiet a hefty sum for a salary conscious franchise. However, the price does drop to a bit more manageable after the one season. I just don't know enough about the current finanical situation of the Pacers ownership group to know if this is something they'd be concerned about.

Fitz303 · Post #442 » by **Fitz303** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 3:57 am

Go get em Joe Cronin

Wizenheimer · Post #443 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:05 am

let's see if I can get this right...if we accept the current CBA rules but also accept the often repeated 4yrs/58 million, then....

the maximum signing bonus is 5.8 million dollars (10%)

and the maximum first year salary is 12.922 million

so, for making calculations, first you divide the 5.8 million by4 = 1.45 million

then, you subtract 1.45 million from the max 1st year salary of 12.922 million to determine the base salary = 11.472 million

then you take that 1st year base salary of 11.472 million and add the full singing bonus. That would yield 17.272 million as the total first season package

which fits with what Jack is saying

Post #444 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:40 am

SPAM and do it. Anything that makes it harder for Indy to match.

deanwoof · Post #445 » by **deanwoof** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:51 am

are the pacers going after OJ mayo to be a backup? or will they be moving granger and move george as their starting SF? no wonder larry bird stepped down. there's so many different things going on

Post #446 » by **mojomarc** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 1:04 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:SPAM and do it. Anything that makes it harder for Indy to match.

No wonder Indiana is so torn on matching. Nice structuring the offer, if that's true. I have the feeling that Simon would choke just a bit on that kind of number by October. For Paul Allen, that just means he doesn't buy a third submarine for the Octopus.

DusterBuster · Post #447 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 3:23 pm

deanwoof wrote:are the pacers going after OJ mayo to be a backup? or will they be moving granger and move george as their starting SF? no wonder larry bird stepped down. there's so many different things going on

Bird just retired for health reasons, not because of a lot of things happening.

With Mayo, they aren't moving Granger anywhere, he's staying as their starting SF. Itll be between Mayo and George for the starting SG and 6th man role.

PDXKnight · Post #448 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 5:26 pm

If Indy offers Mayo a contract that will have to add fuel to the fire when it comes to extending Hibbert. Seems like for 1 or 2 seasons it'd be a tough pill to swallow for them.

That said, their financial situation after this next season makes me think they have no reason not to match. The bonus is pretty bad though, I must admit.

Post #449 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 12:25 am

Wizenheimer wrote:let's see if I can get this right...if we accept the current CBA rules but also accept the often repeated 4yrs/58 million, then....

the maximum signing bonus is 5.8 million dollars (10%)

and the maximum first year salary is 12.922 million

so, for making calculations, first you divide the 5.8 million by4 = 1.45 million

then, you subtract 1.45 million from the max 1st year salary of 12.922 million to determine the base salary = 11.472 million

then you take that 1st year base salary of 11.472 million and add the full singing bonus. That would yield 17.272 million as the total first season package

which fits with what Jack is saying

Thanks for the numbers Wiz. Can the Blazers put a deadline on it like they did Matthews and say a certain amount of the first year, bulk amount of the first year or entire amount of the first year is due within 10 days?

Wizenheimer · Post #450 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 12:39 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:let's see if I can get this right...if we accept the current CBA rules but also accept the often repeated 4yrs/58 million, then....

the maximum signing bonus is 5.8 million dollars (10%)

and the maximum first year salary is 12.922 million

so, for making calculations, first you divide the 5.8 million by4 = 1.45 million

then, you subtract 1.45 million from the max 1st year salary of 12.922 million to determine the base salary = 11.472 million

then you take that 1st year base salary of 11.472 million and add the full singing bonus. That would yield 17.272 million as the total first season package

which fits with what Jack is saying

Thanks for the numbers Wiz. Can the Blazers put a deadline on it like they did Matthews and say a certain amount of the first year, bulk amount of the first year or entire amount of the first year is due within 10 days?

there are limits to front-loading but I don't know what they are. I imagine the Blazers went as far as they could

Post #451 » by **mojomarc** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:11 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:let's see if I can get this right...if we accept the current CBA rules but also accept the often repeated 4yrs/58 million, then....

the maximum signing bonus is 5.8 million dollars (10%)

and the maximum first year salary is 12.922 million

so, for making calculations, first you divide the 5.8 million by4 = 1.45 million

then, you subtract 1.45 million from the max 1st year salary of 12.922 million to determine the base salary = 11.472 million

then you take that 1st year base salary of 11.472 million and add the full singing bonus. That would yield 17.272 million as the total first season package

which fits with what Jack is saying

Thanks for the numbers Wiz. Can the Blazers put a deadline on it like they did Matthews and say a certain amount of the first year, bulk amount of the first year or entire amount of the first year is due within 10 days?

there are limits to front-loading but I don't know what they are. I imagine the Blazers went as far as they could

The limit is, I believe, 10% of the contract value.

Wizenheimer · Post #452 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:30 am

mojomarc wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
there are limits to front-loading but I don't know what they are. I imagine the Blazers went as far as they could

The limit is, I believe, 10% of the contract value.

that's the signing bonus

I think teams can front-load the base salary to some extent as well

Wizenheimer · Post #453 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:33 am

mojomarc wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
there are limits to front-loading but I don't know what they are. I imagine the Blazers went as far as they could

The limit is, I believe, 10% of the contract value.

do you means exclusive of the signing bonus?

I think teams can front-load the base salary to some extent as well. seems like it was something like 25% of base salary could be paid in the first 30-60 days, but I might have that wrong or it may have been something in the old CBA not present in the new one

Yukon Cornelius · Post #454 » by **Yukon Cornelius** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:26 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:let's see if I can get this right...if we accept the current CBA rules but also accept the often repeated 4yrs/58 million, then....

the maximum signing bonus is 5.8 million dollars (10%)

and the maximum first year salary is 12.922 million

so, for making calculations, first you divide the 5.8 million by4 = 1.45 million

then, you subtract 1.45 million from the max 1st year salary of 12.922 million to determine the base salary = 11.472 million

then you take that 1st year base salary of 11.472 million and add the full singing bonus. That would yield 17.272 million as the total first season package

which fits with what Jack is saying

Thanks for the numbers Wiz. Can the Blazers put a deadline on it like they did Matthews and say a certain amount of the first year, bulk amount of the first year or entire amount of the first year is due within 10 days?

there are limits to front-loading but I don't know what they are. I imagine the Blazers went as far as they could

I probably missed something, but I thought the new CBA required that the signing bonus be split up and spread out evenly over each year of the contract instead of in one lump sum in the first year.

Wizenheimer · Post #455 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:41 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:I probably missed something, but I thought the new CBA required that the signing bonus be split up and spread out evenly over each year of the contract instead of in one lump sum in the first year.

that is how it is allocated to a team's cap-space calculations. Evenly divided by the number of years of the deal.

However, the actual payout can come in the form of a lump sum at the beginning of the deal

DusterBuster · Post #456 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:08 pm

Quick was on 750 this morning and talked a (very) little Hibbert.

*Says he hasn't heard anything new. Indy is playing this RFA game exactly right by being as quiet as they are and keeping the Blazers guessing.

*Says he's hearing more and more that the deal is frontloaded, which would make it a harder pill for the Pacers to swallow.

On the non-Quick front, Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star (the Canzano to Mike Wells' Quick, if you will) wrote another column about how much the Pacers need to keep Hibbert. It's filled with all opinion (just as it usually is with Canzano) except for one little bit....

When I spoke to Walsh recently, he was painfully non-committal on Hibbert, unlike the Hornets, who have gone on record saying they're going to match any offer for shooting guard Eric Gordon.

FWIW, Kravitz and Wells have a beer bet on the Hibbert situation. If the Pacers match the contract, Wells has to buy Kravitz a beer of his choosing. If the Pacers let him walk, vise versa.

d-train · Post #457 » by **d-train** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:53 pm

If we don't hear about a Hibbert S&T soon, you can be certain the Pacers will match the offer sheet. The Pacers decision will be made before there is any signed offer sheet.

Ripcity4life · Post #458 » by **Ripcity4life** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:31 pm

This news comes from Wells the Pacer beat writer via Twitter ....

Restricted free agent Roy Hibbert is already in Portland where he'll sign his offer sheet (4 yrs $58 mill) w them at 9 pm PST tomorrow.

DusterBuster · Post #459 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:38 pm

Ripcity4life wrote:This news comes from Wells the Pacer beat writer via Twitter ....

Restricted free agent Roy Hibbert is already in Portland where he'll sign his offer sheet (4 yrs $58 mill) w them at 9 pm PST tomorrow.

According to one Pacer fan, Wells has seemed to chance his stance on believing the Pacers will decline to match the contract. Not sure where he heard that, probably a Indy sports radio show I'm assuming.

I can't wait for the 14th to come and go so Portland can move on one way or another.

Ripcity4life · Post #460 » by **Ripcity4life** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:57 pm

The fact Roy is in Town is alittle strange specially the fact he is here a day early unless he is stopping by to sign today have the papers rdy to file on the 11th. If it's a quick stop over trip to sign the sheet then chances are he always knows whats gonna happen. However if he is here a day early and is staying in town to sign tomorrow that makes me think he knows or suspects they will not match and could be getting the lay of the land for his new home.

Also i find it strange he even needs to be in town to sign in the age of fax machines and other devices that makes me wonder if the Blazers chances of getting him are alittle better then most of us think. Also i can see the Blazers doing a S & T for Hibbert

Freeland rights + 1st rounder and 1 of these players -- Babbitt / Smith / Williams

I know someone is gonna say why would the pacers accept so little and normally i would agree but getting something is better then getting nothing if they choose not to match.