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[tester551]

Would you do Williams\Reath for Robinson\Dadiet & either DET or WAS 25' 1st?

With the Detroit pick -> Hell yeah... I really liked Dadiet as a prospect this year.

[BlazersBroncos]

Can we stop for a moment to consider why NYK would even contemplate that deal?

When healthy Rob and Robinson are about equal in talent. Neither is a iron man but RWIII is worse than Robinson in the health department.

So NYK is adding in a recent late FRP and a future protected FRP for the pleasure of swapping similarly talented centers and snagging a 28 year old bubble backup caliber C in Reath.

I dont understand why in any world they would do this deal.

[Walton1one]

Can we stop for a moment to consider why NYK would even contemplate that deal?

When healthy Rob and Robinson are about equal in talent. Neither is a iron man but RWIII is worse than Robinson in the health department.

So NYK is adding in a recent late FRP and a future protected FRP for the pleasure of swapping similarly talented centers and snagging a 28 year old bubble backup caliber C in Reath.

I dont understand why in any world they would do this deal.

Well, Brian Windhorst, is where the speculation about the NYK having interest in Williams came from, apparently on a program called the Jump?

When you look at their roster though, putting together a deal with Williams to NYK is tricky b\c of the salaries they have that they would be willing to trade and they are over the 1st apron, meaning have to take same\less money back. That leaves few players

DiVencenzo -not happening
Achiuwa makes about 1/2 of what Williams makes, can't be traded until late October.

You could combine Achiuwa, McBride (has 3yrs left) & Dadiet, that would work, otherwise you are doing a 4 for 1 if you keep Achiuwa\KDP and then any 2 of Payne\Sims\Dadiet or Kolek, which might be too many

Either way this deal could not happen for a few months, neither Achiuwaa or Payne (Oct) can be traded for a few months, which would make sense, as teams would want to see Williams in action (not injured) first.

Another version would be a 4 for 2 perhaps combining Achiuwa\KDP\Mcbride and any (1) of Dadiet\Kolek\Sims or Payne, then POR could send (1) of Reath\Walker or Banton back

Robinson makes more than Williams, also has 2yrs left, also has a lengthy history of injuries (1 year out of 6 where he played more than 60 games). So that would be a more seamless trade, like a 2 for 2 trade, and if Reath was coming back as well it provides some insurance against Williams getting hurt again.

[BlazersBroncos]

Cobbling together some smaller deals rather than including Robinson makes more sense for NYK IMO but McBride is pretty valued by them - he is cheap and a ideal system fit. I think it wouldnt be crazy for them to value him alone more than RWIII.

Reath for a filler and 2 SRP is the only deal I can see from NYK's side.

[zzaj]

If I'm a rehabbing Timelord, the LAST place I want to go play is NY, where they will grind him into the ground.

[Walton1one]

I think he would be happy to go to a team that is playing for something. Have to believe that NY would LOVE the idea of having Williams on their team, especially if they meet up with BOS in the playoffs.

Let's hope they like it enough to deal a 1st round pick to POR. Although most likely it would be one of the WAS\DET protected 1st's, and both are more likely to end up as 2nd rounders in reality with a sliver of a chance to convey a 1st (WAS maybe? more likely, at least if not that pick turns into (2) 2nd's). I don't think NKY have their own 1st available to trade (maybe 26'?)

[dckingsfan]

Interesting post:

viewtopic.php?p=114289108#p114289108

A. Duop Reath - Portland has 4 centers now. Reath had a 40% 3-point attempt rate and can space the floor well. Also is a solid enough rebounder and shot blocker. He is signed for 2 more years at a meager $2M per at age 28. I would assume the cost is a protected 2nd rounder.

Edit: I might want to do a Reath/Williams trade for Huerter. Let Huerter recover for the season and see if he could be of trade value at the trade deadline in '25-'26 (gamble for sure but his contract expires at the end of '25-'26 anyway). I would want multiple SRPs as well.

That would also clear space for Ayton/Clingan duo.

My 1/2 cent.

[Walton1one]

Interesting post:

viewtopic.php?p=114289108#p114289108

A. Duop Reath - Portland has 4 centers now. Reath had a 40% 3-point attempt rate and can space the floor well. Also is a solid enough rebounder and shot blocker. He is signed for 2 more years at a meager $2M per at age 28. I would assume the cost is a protected 2nd rounder.

Edit: I might want to do a Reath/Williams trade for Huerter. Let Huerter recover for the season and see if he could be of trade value at the trade deadline in '25-'26 (gamble for sure but his contract expires at the end of '25-'26 anyway). I would want multiple SRPs as well.

That would also clear space for Ayton/Clingan duo.

My 1/2 cent.

Yeah, SAC could certainly be a destination for Williams, but I don't think POR trades him there before the deadline without something of value (protected 1st) coming back. POR can get a couple of 2nd's for Williams at the deadline, so no need to take that offer now, and IMO chances are good that if he shows he is healthy, he will return a 1st round pick, there is definite interest in him around the league and I could see a bidding war at the trade deadline, so to deal him now I would think POR would want something significant back. Last thing you want is to dump him for a 2nd or two then see him stay healthy and be a meaningful rotation player (which, when healthy he certainly would be) for a playoff team and everyone wondering how that team got him for such a small return.

Also, Reath\Williams for Huerter would put POR into the tax I think, which is a no-no.

SAC has one open spot, they have been working out a bunch of vets recently (Crowder\Warren\Little), so they could take 1 extra player back in a deal if there was interest, it would probably have to be something like a 3 for 2 deal.

Something like Lyles\Huerter for Williams\Thybulle\Reath could work. But what is the incentive for POR? A protected 1st and a couple of 2nd's maybe?

[dckingsfan]

Interesting post:

viewtopic.php?p=114289108#p114289108

A. Duop Reath - Portland has 4 centers now. Reath had a 40% 3-point attempt rate and can space the floor well. Also is a solid enough rebounder and shot blocker. He is signed for 2 more years at a meager $2M per at age 28. I would assume the cost is a protected 2nd rounder.

Edit: I might want to do a Reath/Williams trade for Huerter. Let Huerter recover for the season and see if he could be of trade value at the trade deadline in '25-'26 (gamble for sure but his contract expires at the end of '25-'26 anyway). I would want multiple SRPs as well.

That would also clear space for Ayton/Clingan duo.

My 1/2 cent.

Yeah, SAC could certainly be a destination for Williams, but I don't think POR trades him there before the deadline without something of value (protected 1st) coming back. POR can get a couple of 2nd's for Williams at the deadline, so no need to take that offer now, and IMO chances are good that if he shows he is healthy, he will return a 1st round pick, there is definite interest in him around the league and I could see a bidding war at the trade deadline, so to deal him now I would think POR would want something significant back. Last thing you want is to dump him for a 2nd or two then see him stay healthy and be a meaningful rotation player (which, when healthy he certainly would be) for a playoff team and everyone wondering how that team got him for such a small return.

Also, Reath\Williams for Huerter would put POR into the tax I think, which is a no-no.

SAC has one open spot, they have been working out a bunch of vets recently (Crowder\Warren\Little), so they could take 1 extra player back in a deal if there was interest, it would probably have to be something like a 3 for 2 deal.

Something like Lyles\Huerter for Williams\Thybulle\Reath could work. But what is the incentive for POR? A protected 1st and a couple of 2nd's maybe?

Solid perspective.

Waiting on the trade(s) makes sense as well (and has its own risks as well). Probably why nothing has happened. I would think that by the trade deadline some teams will need a player (more desperately - if that is the right word). Or it can be like the last trade deadline that went out with a collective whimper. Gonna be interesting...

BTW, I would think additional filler from Sac would not put Portland in the tax.

[BlazersBroncos]

Something like Lyles\Huerter for Williams\Thybulle\Reath could work. But what is the incentive for POR? A protected 1st and a couple of 2nd's maybe?

In another reality where RWIII plays 65+ games consistently I could see SAC paying a FRP - he is an ideal fit next to Sabonis as a defensive hedge.

In reality? I cant see any team moving a FRP for a combo of RWIII + MT. I hope I am wrong though.

[dckingsfan]

Something like Lyles\Huerter for Williams\Thybulle\Reath could work. But what is the incentive for POR? A protected 1st and a couple of 2nd's maybe?

In another reality where RWIII plays 65+ games consistently I could see SAC paying a FRP - he is an ideal fit next to Sabonis as a defensive hedge.

In reality? I cant see any team moving a FRP for a combo of RWIII + MT. I hope I am wrong though.

Yep. If he averaged 65 games per season vs. his current 35 per season, I think he easily pulls a FRP. Given who he is and letting it play out to the trade deadline is a gamble, since probability says he will be injured.

And yeah, since that is the case, probably no way to get a FRP for those two. AND you have to have a team that can give back a player or set of players with equal salary. Tough trade for sure.

It would be interesting to see if Sac would do the Lyles\Huerter\Protected FRP for Williams\Thybulle\Reath.

[Walton1one]

There are a fair number of teams with rumored interest in Williams, enough teams that it is not far-fetched to see a bidding war erupt over him, particularly at the trade deadline when playoff aspiring teams will be willing to part with more to get that final piece to take them over the top. The big "if" is him (or POR keeping him) healthy enough to reach that point.

[dckingsfan]

There are a fair number of teams with rumored interest in Williams, enough teams that it is not far-fetched to see a bidding war erupt over him, particularly at the trade deadline when playoff aspiring teams will be willing to part with more to get that final piece to take them over the top. The big "if" is him (or POR keeping him) healthy enough to reach that point.

I think that there won't be a bidding war for a player that plays 35 games per season. I personally only see a couple of teams that would be interested (maybe you have a better list).

And yeah, since the trade would have to happen at the trade deadline (or thereabouts), that would be 50+ games into the season that he would need to play just to get to that point.

I might posit that this is a low-probability event. Doesn't mean it isn't worth the risk but you are pulling two strings at once. The risk reward for a FRP vs. a couple of second round picks is an interesting risk/reward calculation.

[BlazersBroncos]

I wont say its impossible - but RWIII would have to be playing VERY well and the interested team IMO would have to be flush with some extra FRP as well as in desperate need of a big.

Even if RWIII is playing well I think the only type of package that could return a FRP would also have to include a bad salary - a 25 game stretch of health isnt negating his years of glass man reputation. Something like RWIII for Zeke Nnaji and a LP FRP - and even then only if DEN sees RWIII as capable enough of playing PF a bit next to Joker. We have to take on Zeke but we get that FRP. DEN seriously bolsters its big man depth / defense.

But realistically role players that average 35 games a season dont bring on bidding wars.

[dckingsfan]

I wont say its impossible - but RWIII would have to be playing VERY well and the interested team IMO would have to be flush with some extra FRP as well as in desperate need of a big.

Even if RWIII is playing well I think the only type of package that could return a FRP would also have to include a bad salary - a 25 game stretch of health isnt negating his years of glass man reputation. Something like RWIII for Zeke Nnaji and a LP FRP - and even then only if DEN sees RWIII as capable enough of playing PF a bit next to Joker. We have to take on Zeke but we get that FRP. DEN seriously bolsters its big man depth / defense.

But realistically role players that average 35 games a season don't bring on bidding wars.

Pretty much why I would do the Lyles\Huerter\multiple SRPs for Williams\Thybulle\Reath.

Why.
- Lyles expires.
- I think there is a reasonable chance to rehab Huerter and get more SRPs next year.
- We start the season with the Ayton/Clingan rotation.

But this is just fun machinations during the off-season.

[BlazersBroncos]

I wont say its impossible - but RWIII would have to be playing VERY well and the interested team IMO would have to be flush with some extra FRP as well as in desperate need of a big.

Even if RWIII is playing well I think the only type of package that could return a FRP would also have to include a bad salary - a 25 game stretch of health isnt negating his years of glass man reputation. Something like RWIII for Zeke Nnaji and a LP FRP - and even then only if DEN sees RWIII as capable enough of playing PF a bit next to Joker. We have to take on Zeke but we get that FRP. DEN seriously bolsters its big man depth / defense.

But realistically role players that average 35 games a season don't bring on bidding wars.

Pretty much why I would do the Lyles\Huerter\multiple SRPs for Williams\Thybulle\Reath.

Why.
- Lyles expires.
- I think there is a reasonable chance to rehab Huerter and get more SRPs next year.
- We start the season with the Ayton/Clingan rotation.

But this is just fun machinations during the off-season.

I would hope to include Kris rather than Reath. I think SAC probably would like the PR value of pairing the twins.

The issue w/ SAC is most of their SRP are encumbered.

They owe a 25 FRP that is Top-12 protected, then Top-10 in 26 - if that doesnt convet they owe 26 and 27 SRP.
They already also owe 25, 28 and 30 SRPs to other teams.

So they cant really offer us much outside a like 2029 / 2031 SRP. I dont see that as enough value.

HOU was rumored to have interest in RWIII - maybe they would like MT as well. If RWIII is playing well and Adams is slow returning from injury something like RWIII + MT for Adams + Green + 3 SRP would work for me. The twitchiness of RWIII is a better compliment to Sengun than Adams IMO.

G - Fred VanVleet / Reed Sheppard / Aaron Holiday
G - Jalen Green / Amen Thompson / Matisse Thybulle
F - Dillon Brooks / Matisse Thybulle / Cam Whitmore
F - Jabari Smith JR / Tari Eason / Jae'sean Tate
C - Alpern Sengun / Robert Williams III / Jock Landale

Thats one of the best SG through C defensive second units I have ever seen.

As for the SRP - we could ask for HOU 26 SRP + MEM 27 SRP + HOU 31 SRP.

[Norm2953]

Let's wait and see how the players look as they begin to stream back to the town with the opening of
fall camp approaches.

Portland appears to be open for business and has a surplus of bigs that can help a number of teams.
Let's see if another team's big goes down for the season for there is finite amount of bigs who can
play in the league.

[dckingsfan]

I wont say its impossible - but RWIII would have to be playing VERY well and the interested team IMO would have to be flush with some extra FRP as well as in desperate need of a big.

Even if RWIII is playing well I think the only type of package that could return a FRP would also have to include a bad salary - a 25 game stretch of health isnt negating his years of glass man reputation. Something like RWIII for Zeke Nnaji and a LP FRP - and even then only if DEN sees RWIII as capable enough of playing PF a bit next to Joker. We have to take on Zeke but we get that FRP. DEN seriously bolsters its big man depth / defense.

But realistically role players that average 35 games a season don't bring on bidding wars.

Pretty much why I would do the Lyles\Huerter\multiple SRPs for Williams\Thybulle\Reath.

Why.
- Lyles expires.
- I think there is a reasonable chance to rehab Huerter and get more SRPs next year.
- We start the season with the Ayton/Clingan rotation.

But this is just fun machinations during the off-season.

I would hope to include Kris rather than Reath. I think SAC probably would like the PR value of pairing the twins.

The issue w/ SAC is most of their SRP are encumbered.

They owe a 25 FRP that is Top-12 protected, then Top-10 in 26 - if that doesnt convet they owe 26 and 27 SRP.
They already also owe 25, 28 and 30 SRPs to other teams.

So they cant really offer us much outside a like 2029 / 2031 SRP. I dont see that as enough value.

HOU was rumored to have interest in RWIII - maybe they would like MT as well. If RWIII is playing well and Adams is slow returning from injury something like RWIII + MT for Adams + Green + 3 SRP would work for me. The twitchiness of RWIII is a better compliment to Sengun than Adams IMO.

G - Fred VanVleet / Reed Sheppard / Aaron Holiday
G - Jalen Green / Amen Thompson / Matisse Thybulle
F - Dillon Brooks / Matisse Thybulle / Cam Whitmore
F - Jabari Smith JR / Tari Eason / Jae'sean Tate
C - Alpern Sengun / Robert Williams III / Jock Landale

Thats one of the best SG through C defensive second units I have ever seen.

As for the SRP - we could ask for HOU 26 SRP + MEM 27 SRP + HOU 31 SRP.

Like the trade. Then turn around and trade Reath to Sacramento for a Second. BTW, Sac's first to Atlanta will convey leaving the '26, '27 and '29 picks open.

[dckingsfan]

Let's wait and see how the players look as they begin to stream back to the town with the opening of
fall camp approaches.

Portland appears to be open for business and has a surplus of bigs that can help a number of teams.
Let's see if another team's big goes down for the season for there is finite amount of bigs who can
play in the league.

It's just a chicken's talkin... We did go through the problem of waiting when it comes to Williams (an injury waiting to happen).

[Walton1one]

According to Fran Leiva on FadeAway World, the proposed trade would see the Bulls would receive Deandre Ayton, Grant Williams, Josh Green and 2026 First-Round Pick (via Pelicans). The Hawks receive Brandon Ingram while the Pelicans receive LaVine, Vucevic and 2025 First-Round Pick (via Hawks). The Trail Blazers receive De’Andre Hunter, Larry Nance Jr. and 2027 First-Round Pick (via Bulls). The Hornets receive CJ McCollum.

So, POR trades Ayton and gets back Nance Jr (who cares\1yr left), Hunter (ok, young\underperforming\injuries) & a 27' CHI pick (protections?\Why not here own pick back?)

Uh, I see no problems here?