Roy Hibbert - Indy says they will match/offer same terms.

DusterBuster · Post #461 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:58 pm

Canzano is reporting that the deal is REALLY frontloaded, adding a bit more credence to what we've been hearing.

Blazers offer to Hibbert is "so front loaded with money" that all are taking this seriously, source said. Pacers can still match

DusterBuster · Post #462 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:04 pm

Ripcity4life wrote:The fact Roy is in Town is alittle strange specially the fact he is here a day early unless he is stopping by to sign today have the papers rdy to file on the 11th. If it's a quick stop over trip to sign the sheet then chances are he always knows whats gonna happen. However if he is here a day early and is staying in town to sign tomorrow that makes me think he knows or suspects they will not match and could be getting the lay of the land for his new home.

It sounds like he's in early to take physicals and medical stuff. I wouldn't read too much into it. As the tweet I quote previously said, there's so much money being paid to him up front and throughout the whole deal, that everyone is taking it seriously.

Blazers making sure they're not about to throw a insane contract at a guy who'll break down half-way into the season.

Ripcity4life wrote:Also i find it strange he even needs to be in town to sign in the age of fax machines and other devices that makes me wonder if the Blazers chances of getting him are alittle better then most of us think. Also i can see the Blazers doing a S & T for Hibbert

Freeland rights + 1st rounder and 1 of these players -- Babbitt / Smith / Williams

I know someone is gonna say why would the pacers accept so little and normally i would agree but getting something is better then getting nothing if they choose not to match.

Blazers can't trade a 1st rounder until their outstanding trade with the Bobcats is fulfilled. I don't see any S&T happening personally. Blazers can't give the Pacers anything that'd be considered satisfactory and I think the Blazers are willing/prepared to accept losing out on Hibbert.

Wizenheimer · Post #463 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:06 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Canzano is reporting that the deal is REALLY frontloaded, adding a bit more credence to what we've been hearing.

Blazers offer to Hibbert is "so front loaded with money" that all are taking this seriously, source said. Pacers can still match

I doubt Canzano has any sources for that other then the reports we've already heard

Obviously, the maximum signing bonus is all up front. But a moderator on the GB was saying that the new CBA had a provision that said that an offer sheet that front-loaded 1st year base salary was not binding on the team holding right of first refusal

whether that is true or not, I don't know

DusterBuster · Post #464 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:10 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Canzano is reporting that the deal is REALLY frontloaded, adding a bit more credence to what we've been hearing.

Blazers offer to Hibbert is "so front loaded with money" that all are taking this seriously, source said. Pacers can still match

I doubt Canzano has any sources for that other then the reports we've already heard

Obviously, the maximum signing bonus is all up front. But a moderator on the GB was saying that the new CBA had a provision that said that an offer sheet that front-loaded 1st year base salary was not binding on the team holding right of first refusal

whether that is true or not, I don't know

Canzano isn't the first person to say that the Hibbert contract is front loaded, so I'm willing to accept that it probably is accurate. It certainly matches the Blazers tactics for RFA's in the past. As for the new CBA and front loading deals, I'm not nearly brushed up enough on the new CBA to know what has changed in regards to that.

Wizenheimer · Post #465 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:18 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
I doubt Canzano has any sources for that other then the reports we've already heard

Obviously, the maximum signing bonus is all up front. But a moderator on the GB was saying that the new CBA had a provision that said that an offer sheet that front-loaded 1st year base salary was not binding on the team holding right of first refusal

whether that is true or not, I don't know

Canzano isn't the first person to say that the Hibbert contract is front loaded, so I'm willing to accept that it probably is accurate. It certainly matches the Blazers tactics for RFA's in the past. As for the new CBA and front loading deals, I'm not nearly brushed up enough on the new CBA to know what has changed in regards to that.

I was saying that Canzano "reporting" something that has already reported adds no credibility to the report

yeah...I don't like Canzano

as far as the front-loading, I expected that was the case the first time I heard they had offered Hibbert. It almost worked with Millsap and did work with Matthews. No reason for the Blazers not to use something that has worked before

ultimately though, I expect the Blazers to end up batting .333 on front-loaded offers to RFA's

Post #466 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:26 pm

Interesting... When the Blazers signed Milsap, he never even set foot in Portland or even talked with the Blazers. Do we know for sure Hibbert is in town though? If true, I'd like to think that is a good sign for the Blazers.

If Indy says we're going to match unless you give us Meyers Leonard or Damian Lillard... do the Blazers call their bluff or throw em a bone?

PToastMan · Post #467 » by **PToastMan** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:28 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Interesting... When the Blazers signed Milsap, he never even set foot in Portland or even talked with the Blazers. Do we know for sure Hibbert is in town though? If true, I'd like to think that is a good sign for the Blazers.

If Indy says we're going to match unless you give us Meyers Leonard or Damian Lillard... do the Blazers call their bluff or throw em a bone?

That's a tough call to make.

After thinking about it, I'd likely do Leonard but not even consider Lillard. He's much closer to producing than Leonard, and is at a position of extreme need for us.

Zyme · Post #468 » by **Zyme** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:28 pm

The bone would be unlikely to better than Hibbart. I would take the risk if it lands us hibbart.

Bird in the hand is better than... and all that jazz.

Wizenheimer · Post #469 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:36 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Interesting... When the Blazers signed Milsap, he never even set foot in Portland or even talked with the Blazers. Do we know for sure Hibbert is in town though? If true, I'd like to think that is a good sign for the Blazers.

If Indy says we're going to match unless you give us Meyers Leonard or Damian Lillard... do the Blazers call their bluff or throw em a bone?

Batum spent two days in Minnesota and his agent has been talking a ton. Do you think that makes Portland any less likely to match?

that offer sheet becomes Hibbert's next contract, with either Portland or Indiana. He gets a mini-vacation to Portland and 'earns' 58 million. Wouldn't you fly across the country for that?

DusterBuster · Post #470 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:38 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Interesting... When the Blazers signed Milsap, he never even set foot in Portland or even talked with the Blazers. Do we know for sure Hibbert is in town though? If true, I'd like to think that is a good sign for the Blazers.

If Indy says we're going to match unless you give us Meyers Leonard or Damian Lillard... do the Blazers call their bluff or throw em a bone?

Two separate sources have reported it, Mike Wells in Indy and Canzano here. I'd say it's fairly safe to say he probably is for sure in town.

That said, I still wouldn't read much into it.

ROYalty · Post #471 » by **ROYalty** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:39 pm

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

DusterBuster · Post #472 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:40 pm

Zyme wrote:The bone would be unlikely to better than Hibbart. I would take the risk if it lands us hibbart.

Bird in the hand is better than... and all that jazz.

Yeah, I'd trade Leonard if it meant securing Hibbert. Don't think that would interest the Pacers though.

DusterBuster · Post #473 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:40 pm

ROYalty wrote:Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

Well, done and done.

Post #474 » by **Billy** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:40 pm

He'll be matched:

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA

The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

Sabzi · Post #475 » by **Sabzi** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:41 pm

Wooooooo! *Birdman Handrub*

PToastMan · Post #476 » by **PToastMan** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:42 pm

Not a surprise. Now we see if Portland tries for a S&T. I doubt Indy is interested however.

Soulyss · Post #477 » by **Soulyss** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:54 pm

Billy wrote:He'll be matched:

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA

The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

Interestingly enough, If Hibbert is actually matched, I think I would rather workout a S&T with Minnesota for Williams & pick + expiring contracts. This is where we go into full blown asset collection & rebuild mode, hold our cap space for another year and look at next year.

Wizenheimer · Post #478 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 7:01 pm

Soulyss wrote:
Billy wrote:He'll be matched:

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA

The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

Interestingly enough, If Hibbert is actually matched, I think I would rather workout a S&T with Minnesota for Williams & pick + expiring contracts. This is where we go into full blown asset collection & rebuild mode, hold our cap space for another year and look at next year.

I don't get it...why even take back Williams and expiring contracts??

just add another pick to the first and call it good. Force Minny to dump those expiring deals as well as amnesty darko so they have no trade chips, Then be satisfied with a crappy return for Batum (because for sure, those picks will be in the late teens or 20's) and cap-space

Fitz303 · Post #479 » by **Fitz303** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 7:02 pm

That really blows. I figured it would happen, but I was REALLY hoping we would get him. That would have been such a huge boost to our re-build

Run PDX · Post #480 » by **Run PDX** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 7:04 pm

With Hibbert matched, I'd like to see Portland trade Batum for Minnesota's non-guaranteed contracts (Webster and Miller), Pekovic - whose contract expires at the end of the year - and draft picks...
Then we should look to trade Matthews for an expiring contract and draft picks.
And finally, we should keep Kaleb as head coach.
I'd rather see Portland fail miserably and rebuild than struggle to be mediocre and keep using terms like "retool."