Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade

Ripcity4life · Post #461 » by **Ripcity4life** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:00 pm

I will admit Collins could still be a bust but let's assume he is a bust would we really want to use him for a trade for Melo who could opt out and Portland would be left with Nothing. I would have NO issue using him in a trade for a George or something MAYBE but for Melo -- NO WAY -- LOL

Masterfully · Post #462 » by **Masterfully** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:18 pm

Yeah, it's funny. The odds of Collins being something special are much higher than the odds that Carmelo will make a huge impact to the success of the Blazers. That's a non-starter.

Speaking of starting, a lineup with Carmelo at SF would be perfectly complimented with a PF like Collins. An athletic, defensive-minded player that doesn't need a lot of touches.

lowermerionfilms · Post #463 » by **lowermerionfilms** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:31 pm

How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

DusterBuster · Post #464 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:41 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

DusterBuster · Post #465 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:44 pm

Did we count Portland out of Melo too soon?

http://www.nba.com/blazers/wojnarowski-trail-blazers-sleeper-team-acquire-carmelo-anthony

"Portland is an interesting team in this because CJ McCollum and Damian Lillard have done a really good of recruiting Carmelo," Wojnarowkski told Russillo. "They’ve been on him. McCollum is in New York, you saw the video of [McCollum and Anthony] playing pickup. Selling [Anthony] on ‘Hey, look what our team could look like with you.’… but that’s incumbent ultimately on can Portland put a package together that appeals to New York?

"But if they could, then that’s a sleeper team in this to get Carmelo to waive his no-trade because I’m told they’ve piqued Carmelo’s interest at the very least."

lowermerionfilms · Post #466 » by **lowermerionfilms** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:10 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

DusterBuster · Post #467 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:16 pm

Alright, so here's my theory on what has happened with the whole Melo situation....

I would think it's safe to assume the Knicks have their eyes on some of the Blazers players. Based on reports, it would seem the Blazers were pulled into the Knicks/Houston trade in order to facilitate the Melo to Portland deal, not that the Blazers actively tried to get themselves as part of the deal. The Knicks CLEARLY don't want anything Houston is offering, but liked some stuff Portland has been shopping this summer (I'd say it's safe to assume a guy like Harkless has come up in discussions). So the Knicks wanted to see if Portland liked some of the parts Houston was trying to peddle. The Blazers were clearly lukewarm on the Houston assets at best, otherwise something would have got done awhile ago with the 3 teams. Portland also must know that those Houston assets aren't blowing anyones socks off, again, with how motivated they are to get Melo, the fact that nothing has gotten done for so long is fairly good evidence there's no market for whatever the Rockets are currently offering.

It's safe to assume Olshey knew the market for those Houston pieces, so at that point, it's likely the Blazers thought to themselves, 'The Knicks obviously like the pieces we have available in return for Carmelo, so why bother trying to help another team get him? If we can convince Melo to waive that NTC, getting a deal done with the Knicks seems fairly simple.' Knowing there was zero chance he was going to do that without being wooed/convinced by the players, it would stand to reason Olshey told CJ and Dame about the situation and said 'see what you guys can do'. CJ in particular has seemingly been doing a lot of work in trying to convince Melo, with video just releasing of the two playing pickup games in NYC.

DusterBuster · Post #468 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:17 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

Khazim · Post #469 » by **Khazim** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:20 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

Cap is no longer such a disaster after dumping Crabbe. And even if it was, that's not a reason to dump Collins and Swanigan.

There, I did it. I actually managed to keep my response shorter and more polite than you deserved...

lowermerionfilms · Post #470 » by **lowermerionfilms** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:21 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

How about if Collins comes out of the deal and the Knicks get the draft pick?

DusterBuster · Post #471 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:26 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:
LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

How about if Collins comes out of the deal and the Knicks get the draft pick?

Both Collins and Swanigan come out. Hell, Swanigan being involved is more of a detriment to the deal than Collins imo. But regardless, either one being involved is a total non-starter for the Blazers, regardless of a pick from the Knicks being involved or not.

Also, who is Isaiah Taylor?

Brandon-Clyde · Post #472 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:28 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

It should be LMFAO. The Salary cap problem was mostly solved by trading Crabbe and the luxury tax could easily be avoided this year simply by trading any of Aminu,Davis or Harkless at the deadline for positive assets. No need to include either of our 2017 1st rd(one a lottery pick) picks and two other players who are positive values to get rid of one negative contract. A contract that becomes less negative as time goes by(next offseason it will simply be a two year contract with Turner basically being overpaid by a few million per year at most when compared to comparable players). Lee is a solid player but older than the Blazers core and O'Quinn is nothing special either. And your savings assume Portland won't need to sign anybody to replace those traded away(a weak assumption)

DusterBuster · Post #473 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:29 pm

lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

Wait a second here....

Wut? Here's the respective ages of all the players leaving Portland and coming into Portland....

Evan Turner = 28
Ed Davis = 28
Mo Harkless = 24
Zach Collins = 19
Caleb Swanigan = 20

vs

Courtney Lee = 31
Kyle O'Quinn = 27
Mindaugas Kuzminskas = 27

In what world are the Blazers getting younger?

No offense, but it's painfully clear you've given zero thought to this from the Blazers perspective. Made even more painfully clear by the fact you're adding in players the Blazers don't have on their roster....

monopoman · Post #474 » by **monopoman** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:33 pm

Even if we were in cap hell which we are not we have an owner who can afford it and in some circumstances will happily pay it. We aren't one of the teams who refuses to go over the cap or take a luxury tax hit, like say The Bulls. Acting like the Blazers are so desperate to save salary we will give up our two picks from this last draft is a joke.

It's funny how many fans of other teams vastly overrate our cap problems.

jeffhardyfan52 · Post #475 » by **jeffhardyfan52** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:06 am

Can we just get this over with already

PDXKnight · Post #476 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:30 am

monopoman wrote:Even if we were in cap hell which we are not we have an owner who can afford it and in some circumstances will happily pay it. We aren't one of the teams who refuses to go over the cap or take a luxury tax hit, like say The Bulls. Acting like the Blazers are so desperate to save salary we will give up our two picks from this last draft is a joke.

It's funny how many fans of other teams vastly overrate our cap problems.

Yeah I don't get this either... We are only around a million over the lux tax and could easily make a move to get under that threshold (or just waive comnaughton)

jhern87 · Post #477 » by **jhern87** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:59 am

lowermerionfilms wrote:How about this trade, Blazer fans?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v4poar

BLAZERS GET
Courtney Lee (3 years)
Kyle O'Quinn (2 years)
Mindaugas Kuzminskas (1 year with team option)
2020 Rockets 1st Round Pick (lottery protected)

BLAZERS TRADE
Evan Turner (3 years)
Moe Harkless (3 years)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Zach Collins (3 years)
Caleb Swanigen (4 years)
Isaiah Taylor (1 year)

Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get the best player in the trade (Courtney Lee) on a good contract (3 years, 12M per year). The total difference in contracts saves Portland 60 million dollars over the next 4 seasons (55 million in the next 3 seasons). Blazers give up their 2017 draft but get Kuzminskas, who's shown some potential, and an extra draft pick in 2020.

ROCKETS GET
Carmelo Anthony (2 years)
Joakim Noah (3 years)
Chaisson Randle (2 years)
2020 1st Round Pick (Lottery Protected)

ROCKETS TRADE
Ryan Anderson (3 years)
Eric Gordon (3 years)
Trevor Ariza (1 year)
Ed Davis (1 year)
Ike Taylor (2 years)
Tim Quarterman (1 year)

You sir need to stop trying to make trades LMFAO!! If you were serious (which I don't think you were, I think you're just trolling), this might be the worst trade I've ever seen on RealGM.

Post #478 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:20 am

DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
LMAO..... Not a freaking chance dude.

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

And let's not pretend that Harkless is a bad contract. Now if you included Meyers Leonard instead of Harkless, you could use the 2 worst contracts analogy.

DusterBuster · Post #479 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:03 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
lowermerionfilms wrote:

I can see why you'd say no but LMAO? Your cap is a disaster. In this trade you get rid of your two worst contracts, upgrade from Turner to Lee (and get younger), grab a nice frontcourt playey in Kuzminskas, and a 1st round pick. If the team is serious about cutting salary, this is a good deal!

LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

And let's not pretend that Harkless is a bad contract. Now if you included Meyers Leonard instead of Harkless, you could use the 2 worst contracts analogy.

Im not tracking with ya there... say what again?

Post #480 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:19 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
LMAO because you aren't getting Collins and Swanigan along with two good contracts in Aminu and Davis.

LMAO because it's a terrible terrible trade. The Blazers cap is just fine after the Crabbe trade.

And let's not pretend that Harkless is a bad contract. Now if you included Meyers Leonard instead of Harkless, you could use the 2 worst contracts analogy.

Im not tracking with ya there... say what again?

The other poster said we were getting rid of our two worst contracts. Harkless was the second biggest contract in that trade. I don't consider him a bad contract. Meyers for the same money is a bad contract!!!