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Post#501 » by tacosman » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:31 pm

m0ng0 wrote:I guarantee you if Dame simply says this "I have loved my time in Portland and am eternity grateful to all my friends, fans, teammates and the city of Portland for all your years of support, but the time has come to move on, start a new chapter in my life and career so I am asking for a trade, and by the way I don't have a no trade clause"

Every GM in the league says hmmm, and plays that hypothetical shell game in their heads, especially if it happened before free agency starts. Somebody will get real creative and generate a package that would be amazing.


the list of teams dame may be going to is going to be very small.....maybe 2, and maybe....1.
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Post#502 » by tacosman » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:33 pm

HoopsFanAZ wrote:Simons (and Nas + overpay) for OG + filler is NOT going to make some Blazers fans real happy.


toronto would never do that lol......

market for simons isn't much. It's certainly not OG.
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Post#503 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:00 pm

tacosman wrote:
HoopsFanAZ wrote:Simons (and Nas + overpay) for OG + filler is NOT going to make some Blazers fans real happy.


toronto would never do that lol......

market for simons isn't much. It's certainly not OG.


Blazer fans would be quite happy with Simons and non-Sharpe/Scoot filler for OG. But yep, no chance that’s enough for Toronto. Blazers would need to offer like 4 FRPs in addition to Simons for even a chance to get Masai to listen, and that wouldn’t make Blazer fans happy.
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Post#504 » by Blazers98 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:29 pm

Let's say Dame gets traded in a Miami package.
Could we get a third team involved, namely Toronto, where basically Herro is traded for OG?
Maybe a future protected first added to Herro for OG?

Any other targets we could exchange for Herro?
Herro has value, but the backcourt is too crowded.
We would need to find a 3rd team to flip him.
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Post#505 » by m0ng0 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:47 pm

tacosman wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:I guarantee you if Dame simply says this "I have loved my time in Portland and am eternity grateful to all my friends, fans, teammates and the city of Portland for all your years of support, but the time has come to move on, start a new chapter in my life and career so I am asking for a trade, and by the way I don't have a no trade clause"

Every GM in the league says hmmm, and plays that hypothetical shell game in their heads, especially if it happened before free agency starts. Somebody will get real creative and generate a package that would be amazing.


the list of teams dame may be going to is going to be very small.....maybe 2, and maybe....1.
. Well technically it would only be one but without a no trade clause it could be quite a few, if he was on the market or course.
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Post#506 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:13 pm

It's going to take some time but it will get done.

If it's Miami, the terms are more or less already agreed upon. Let's just see first how free agency
goes, followed by the summer league games.
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Post#507 » by tacosman » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:36 pm

m0ng0 wrote:
tacosman wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:I guarantee you if Dame simply says this "I have loved my time in Portland and am eternity grateful to all my friends, fans, teammates and the city of Portland for all your years of support, but the time has come to move on, start a new chapter in my life and career so I am asking for a trade, and by the way I don't have a no trade clause"

Every GM in the league says hmmm, and plays that hypothetical shell game in their heads, especially if it happened before free agency starts. Somebody will get real creative and generate a package that would be amazing.


the list of teams dame may be going to is going to be very small.....maybe 2, and maybe....1.
. Well technically it would only be one but without a no trade clause it could be quite a few, if he was on the market or course.


For practical purposes, Dame really does have a no trade clause. When you are in his situation and are owed near a quarter billion, if he says he only wants Miami then there is no chance another team is willing to take that on......
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Post#508 » by tacosman » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:39 pm

Blazers98 wrote:Let's say Dame gets traded in a Miami package.
Could we get a third team involved, namely Toronto, where basically Herro is traded for OG?
Maybe a future protected first added to Herro for OG?

Any other targets we could exchange for Herro?
Herro has value, but the backcourt is too crowded.
We would need to find a 3rd team to flip him.



Lol....toronto is not going to give OG for Herro. Toronto doesn't want herro likely. And if they have some interest, they sure as hell
arent trading OG for him.

I've said this a million times, but Herro doesn't have much value. He's the ultimate "well you got to find a 3rd team for him" in basically every single trade. You could literally propose a trade with every single other nba team, and herro would be the guy the other team is saying "oh yeah we'll have to find someone to take him" lol........and what does that tell you?

Some people even think herro has negative value.....now I don't think that, but I think it's pretty close to zero/neutral on that contract.
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Post#509 » by GEE » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:05 pm

For what it's worth, I think it would be up to Miami to come up with more value for Herro and his broken hand, not Portland.

My thought today is this: Dame and Cronin definitely talked...and nobody but them knows what was actually said in that meeting. Just something to chew on.

One last thing... I think it's dumb to wait until free agency starts before making a decision. Squash it, or quietly and respectfully work out the trade before the FA period officially begins. I'm quietly hoping this is in fact happening. It would be semi-hardball on Cronin's part I think, to suggest he make that decision before, or Cronin could make it for him.

Other teams will only wait so long, before moving on. My hope is there is action, we just aren't privy to it.
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Post#510 » by Blazers98 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:40 pm

Apologies, I do not know the ins and outs of NBA rules on trades.
Utah just acquired Collins and he would be a good fit for us.
He is old enough to help now and young enough to grow with the team.
He can give us more rebounding from the 4 and Grant can go to the 3.
Utah needs guards and Simons would be a good fit for them.
Can we swing a Simons/Collins trade here?
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Post#511 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:51 pm

Blazers98 wrote:Apologies, I do not know the ins and outs of NBA rules on trades.
Utah just acquired Collins and he would be a good fit for us.
He is old enough to help now and young enough to grow with the team.
He can give us more rebounding from the 4 and Grant can go to the 3.
Utah needs guards and Simons would be a good fit for them.
Can we swing a Simons/Collins trade here?


Utah has Sexton, who is about the same caliber as Simons. They also could resign Clarkson.

I dont think they would have interest.
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Post#512 » by Blazinaway » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:52 pm

Blazers98 wrote:Apologies, I do not know the ins and outs of NBA rules on trades.
Utah just acquired Collins and he would be a good fit for us.
He is old enough to help now and young enough to grow with the team.
He can give us more rebounding from the 4 and Grant can go to the 3.
Utah needs guards and Simons would be a good fit for them.
Can we swing a Simons/Collins trade here?


I believe if moved my himself Collins can be traded again
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Post#513 » by tester551 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:53 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
Blazers98 wrote:Apologies, I do not know the ins and outs of NBA rules on trades.
Utah just acquired Collins and he would be a good fit for us.
He is old enough to help now and young enough to grow with the team.
He can give us more rebounding from the 4 and Grant can go to the 3.
Utah needs guards and Simons would be a good fit for them.
Can we swing a Simons/Collins trade here?


I believe if moved my himself Collins can be traded again

Usually correct. Most frequently a traded player can't be combined with a second (ie - Collins + Clackson) in an outgoing trade for ~90 days.
However, the traded player can be traded by themselves immediately.

I think Utah used cap space to acquire Collins. If that were the case, then the trade restriction does not apply.
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Post#514 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:04 pm

Potentially big news for Blazer fans:

Read on Twitter


if true that's a pretty big signal they know something we don't know about Dame's availability
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Post#515 » by Effigy » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:08 pm

The Harden news has me scared. Really really really hope we're not the Harden team.
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Post#516 » by tester551 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:13 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:Potentially big news for Blazer fans:

Read on Twitter


if true that's a pretty big signal they know something we don't know about Dame's availability

Then Dame sent this out:
Read on Twitter


What does that even mean?
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Post#517 » by Dame Lizard » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:35 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:Potentially big news for Blazer fans:

Read on Twitter


if true that's a pretty big signal they know something we don't know about Dame's availability
To be fair Kyrie is a Free Agent vs Dame who isn't and would cost Miami significant assets to acquire. So they probably prefer Dame, but would rather try for both and land one, than miss out on both if Dame doesn't get traded.
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Re: Lillard: I don't want to be a part of a rebuild. 

Post#518 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:59 pm

tester551 wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:Potentially big news for Blazer fans:

Read on Twitter


if true that's a pretty big signal they know something we don't know about Dame's availability

Then Dame sent this out:
Read on Twitter


What does that even mean?


Nothing. Dame is the master of cryptic nothing burger tweets.

It seems clearer to me that Dame is coming back and starting the season in Portland. I think Dame is going the KD route. He’ll start the season with whatever Cronin can do this summer, see how it goes, but if it’s a certified **** show by January and another tank job is on the table, then I think there’s a quote agreement by all sides they’ll move him at the deadline.
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Post#519 » by zzaj » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:15 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
tester551 wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:Potentially big news for Blazer fans:

Read on Twitter


if true that's a pretty big signal they know something we don't know about Dame's availability

Then Dame sent this out:
Read on Twitter


What does that even mean?


Nothing. Dame is the master of cryptic nothing burger tweets.

It seems clearer to me that Dame is coming back and starting the season in Portland. I think Dame is going the KD route. He’ll start the season with whatever Cronin can do this summer, see how it goes, but if it’s a certified **** show by January and another tank job is on the table, then I think there’s a quote agreement by all sides they’ll move him at the deadline.


Lol. "Storms".

Duder has spent 1/3 of his 32 years and basically his whole adulthood with more money than all of us will ever make in our lifetimes combined. I don't care how intense Oakland may have been for him (I know Ogden sure wasn't)...Lillard hasn't had much in the way of "Storms" in his life, sorry...
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Post#520 » by The Sebastian Express » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:40 pm

zzaj wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
tester551 wrote:Then Dame sent this out:
Read on Twitter


What does that even mean?


Nothing. Dame is the master of cryptic nothing burger tweets.

It seems clearer to me that Dame is coming back and starting the season in Portland. I think Dame is going the KD route. He’ll start the season with whatever Cronin can do this summer, see how it goes, but if it’s a certified **** show by January and another tank job is on the table, then I think there’s a quote agreement by all sides they’ll move him at the deadline.


Lol. "Storms".

Duder has spent 1/3 of his 32 years and basically his whole adulthood with more money than all of us will ever make in our lifetimes combined. I don't care how intense Oakland may have been for him (I know Ogden sure wasn't)...Lillard hasn't had much in the way of "Storms" in his life, sorry...


You don't know that at all. That's so dehumanizing. I'm sorry, but it is.

Dame has worked hard for the generational wealth he has and it's true he will have more money than probably all of us combined in our little forum here. But that doesn't mean he can't go through storms and rough times in his personal life. Just like the rest of us he has lost family members. He had a childhood where stuff did get dangerous. He has had people doubt him relentlessly and constantly.

It's frustrating to see this type of thought process from many towards so many people they'll never meet and they don't know. Yes, Dame and other athletes are in many cases incredibly well off. But they're also human. While they have a lot of financial security now and a lot of safety nets that you and I probably don't, that doesn't mean they aren't impacted by emotional turmoil, disease they can't fix or save, loss, relationship breakups, separations, growing apart, drama. Feeling used by people who want them only for their money, not knowing who to trust, not knowing if someone is genuine with you. Their own health issues, family health issues, health issues of friends. The constant demand from the public to be perfect and the same public which also thinks they're owed something and watches everything they do under a microscope. Who freaks out at them for having human emotions. Or freaks out at them not reaching certain statistics and then blaming them for money loss, etc.

Storms is broad and subjective. He didn't put down anyone else's experience in his tweet. He didn't say he went through storms others didn't. There's no reason to put down his experiences either.

Let them be humans.

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