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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#561 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 3:55 am

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Masterfully wrote:Would a team consider trading a top 5 pick for CJ? Sure.
Top 2 pick for CJ? Not a chance.

But let's just say you were to trade CJ for the #3. Do you take Bender, who could be a poor man's Porzingas? Or maybe you go Hield or Murray, but neither may end up as good as CJ. Jaylen Brown moves my needle a bit, but you would have a couple seasons worth of development for that to pay off.

I just can't make an argument for Portland trading CJ for picks 3-5.


I just hate the idea of trading known quantity for unknown. If CJ was like a 15ppg sorta player, showing he's gonna be solid but maybe still unknown for being really really good, I'd be more open to trading him. But he's proven now to be a 20ppg+ player, have nothing short of amazing chemistry with Lillard and being a fringe All Star quality player, probably only held back by the guard position being so stacked in the West. Even with the #1 overall pick, there's no guarantee you get a player of that quality from a top pick.


just to be clear, DaVoiceMaster was wondering if Portland could get LA's in exchange for CJ

my thinking was that a team with a top-5 pick wouldn't make that trade to begin with. Part of it is that teams in that position are almost always in rebuild mode so rolling the dice on potential makes a lot more sense then trading for a player only 1 year away from his expensive rookie extension. And that team would have no investment in CJ like Portland has. They would very likely have an investment in a whole bunch of losses and want a bigger payoff for that

in other words, I was coming at it from the other team's perspective and my guess is that no team setting on a 3rd, 4th, of 5th pick would trade it for a player like CJ
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#562 » by Jsun947 » Wed May 18, 2016 3:56 am

I don't know what to think of this draft.

1.) Free agency spending and the cap rise is going to be B-A-N-A-N-A-S so players on rookie contracts for 2016/2017 & 2017/2018 will be more valuable than they've ever been.

2.) But then the rookies in this draft class really fall off after the top 2 so that makes me seem to think franchises won't be as excited about this draft class. Which means GM's usually want to trade out the draft.

So in theory rookie contracts will be more valuable but teams won't want the players on rookie contracts.

Which brings me to 3.) I wonder if a team in the rebuilding phase will get significantly more aggressive with moving established talent in hopes to accelerate their rebuild process by obtaining draft picks this year. I'm thinking of examples like

Minny - Rubio
Brookyln - Lopez, Young
Denver - Faried, Chandler, Gallinari
Milwaukee - Monroe
New Orleans - Holiday, Evans
Orlando - Vucevic
Sacramento - Koufos, Belinelli, Collison
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#563 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 18, 2016 3:59 am

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DusterBuster wrote:
Masterfully wrote:Would a team consider trading a top 5 pick for CJ? Sure.
Top 2 pick for CJ? Not a chance.

But let's just say you were to trade CJ for the #3. Do you take Bender, who could be a poor man's Porzingas? Or maybe you go Hield or Murray, but neither may end up as good as CJ. Jaylen Brown moves my needle a bit, but you would have a couple seasons worth of development for that to pay off.

I just can't make an argument for Portland trading CJ for picks 3-5.


I just hate the idea of trading known quantity for unknown. If CJ was like a 15ppg sorta player, showing he's gonna be solid but maybe still unknown for being really really good, I'd be more open to trading him. But he's proven now to be a 20ppg+ player, have nothing short of amazing chemistry with Lillard and being a fringe All Star quality player, probably only held back by the guard position being so stacked in the West. Even with the #1 overall pick, there's no guarantee you get a player of that quality from a top pick.


just to be clear, DaVoiceMaster was wondering if Portland could get LA's in exchange for CJ

my thinking was that a team with a top-5 pick wouldn't make that trade to begin with. Part of it is that teams in that position are almost always in rebuild mode so rolling the dice on potential makes a lot more sense then trading for a player only 1 year away from his expensive rookie extension. And that team would have no investment in CJ like Portland has. They would very likely have an investment in a whole bunch of losses and want a bigger payoff for that

in other words, I was coming at it from the other team's perspective and my guess is that no team setting on a 3rd, 4th, of 5th pick would trade it for a player like CJ


I probably shouldn't have bothered quoting you guys as it wasn't really a reaction to your guys thoughts, just my general feeling on the idea of trading CJ for any high lottery picks.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#564 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 4:04 am

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I just hate the idea of trading known quantity for unknown. If CJ was like a 15ppg sorta player, showing he's gonna be solid but maybe still unknown for being really really good, I'd be more open to trading him. But he's proven now to be a 20ppg+ player, have nothing short of amazing chemistry with Lillard and being a fringe All Star quality player, probably only held back by the guard position being so stacked in the West. Even with the #1 overall pick, there's no guarantee you get a player of that quality from a top pick.


just to be clear, DaVoiceMaster was wondering if Portland could get LA's in exchange for CJ

my thinking was that a team with a top-5 pick wouldn't make that trade to begin with. Part of it is that teams in that position are almost always in rebuild mode so rolling the dice on potential makes a lot more sense then trading for a player only 1 year away from his expensive rookie extension. And that team would have no investment in CJ like Portland has. They would very likely have an investment in a whole bunch of losses and want a bigger payoff for that

in other words, I was coming at it from the other team's perspective and my guess is that no team setting on a 3rd, 4th, of 5th pick would trade it for a player like CJ


I probably shouldn't have bothered quoting you guys as it wasn't really a reaction to your guys thoughts, just my general feeling on the idea of trading CJ for any high lottery picks.


no problem

I just didn't want people to think I was starting another 'trade CJ' thread when we already have one going
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#565 » by Masterfully » Wed May 18, 2016 4:07 am

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my thinking was that a team with a top-5 pick wouldn't make that trade to begin with. Part of it is that teams in that position are almost always in rebuild mode so rolling the dice on potential makes a lot more sense then trading for a player only 1 year away from his expensive rookie extension. And that team would have no investment in CJ like Portland has. They would very likely have an investment in a whole bunch of losses and want a bigger payoff for that

in other words, I was coming at it from the other team's perspective and my guess is that no team setting on a 3rd, 4th, of 5th pick would trade it for a player like CJ

Which brings us to Boston at #3. Clearly a win-now team. Adding CJ for nothing more than a pick would probably make them the #2 team in the East. But I just don't see the value for Portland, who is in a similar place as Boston.
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Post#566 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 4:07 am

by the way, for those kind of wanting Portland to go after Dwight Howard, it may be noteworthy that Mike D'Antoni is going to have a 2nd interview with the Rockets

hiring him as head coach might guarantee DH opts out of his deal and goes elsewhere
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#567 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 18, 2016 4:09 am

Jsun947 wrote:I don't know what to think of this draft.

1.) Free agency spending and the cap rise is going to be B-A-N-A-N-A-S so players on rookie contracts for 2016/2017 & 2017/2018 will be more valuable than they've ever been.

2.) But then the rookies in this draft class really fall off after the top 2 so that makes me seem to think franchises won't be as excited about this draft class. Which means GM's usually want to trade out the draft.

So in theory rookie contracts will be more valuable but teams won't want the players on rookie contracts.

Which brings me to 3.) I wonder if a team in the rebuilding phase will get significantly more aggressive with moving established talent in hopes to accelerate their rebuild process by obtaining draft picks this year. I'm thinking of examples like

Minny - Rubio
Brookyln - Lopez, Young
Denver - Faried, Chandler, Gallinari
Milwaukee - Monroe
New Orleans - Holiday, Evans
Orlando - Vucevic
Sacramento - Koufos, Belinelli, Collison


I would love Belinelli to replace Henderson if the Blazers lose him in FA as I kinda expect. Not exactly helping defense, but man adding his 3pt shooting would be sweet.

A lot of those vets I think the teams would be willing to move; Young, Faried, Chandler, and Evans, I think their respective teams would be fine moving those guys for cap space and future picks. Denver specifically I think would be ecstatic to get rid of Faried. I bet Denver would be plenty happy dumping that contract for cap space and a future pick like that Cleveland pick if Portland wanted him. I hope Portland doesn't bother though, I'm not a Faried fan at what he gets paid.

I wonder how much of the Monroe trade talk is real and how much is just pissed off fan talk.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#568 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 18, 2016 4:16 am

Wizenheimer wrote:by the way, for those kind of wanting Portland to go after Dwight Howard, it may be noteworthy that Mike D'Antoni is going to have a 2nd interview with the Rockets

hiring him as head coach might guarantee DH opts out of his deal and goes elsewhere


D'Antoni with Harden?! That's a disaster waiting to happen. I'm definitely in the pro-Dwight camp for Portland, but regardless of all that noise, what a terrible choice for the Rockets. D'Antoni has proven he can't coach ball dominant players given his time in NY and LA with Carmelo and Kobe respectively. The only time he's been successful is with a pass first PG and a team willing to move the ball.

If they hire him, it's a pretty clear indication that Morey is starting to feel some heat from management imo. Management is probably demanding they get in line with the rest of the NBA on ball movement offense, so Morey's quick answer is to get the guy who kinda pioneered that movement in the mid-2000's. The problem with that idea is it's been clearly proven at this point D'Antoni's coaching style only works with certain rosters and it will be impossible for Houston to assemble ANY roster capable of playing his style with Harden as their #1 option. They're trying to mix oil and water just as NY did and just as LA did.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#569 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 4:20 am

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my thinking was that a team with a top-5 pick wouldn't make that trade to begin with. Part of it is that teams in that position are almost always in rebuild mode so rolling the dice on potential makes a lot more sense then trading for a player only 1 year away from his expensive rookie extension. And that team would have no investment in CJ like Portland has. They would very likely have an investment in a whole bunch of losses and want a bigger payoff for that

in other words, I was coming at it from the other team's perspective and my guess is that no team setting on a 3rd, 4th, of 5th pick would trade it for a player like CJ

Which brings us to Boston at #3. Clearly a win-now team. Adding CJ for nothing more than a pick would probably make them the #2 team in the East. But I just don't see the value for Portland, who is in a similar place as Boston.


Boston already has Isiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, and Marcus Smart, all on team-friendly contracts. I don't think they'd have any interest at all in trading the 3rd pick for CJ.

a bigger question is what are the Celtics going to do with the 3rd, 16th, 23rd, 31st, 35th, 45th, 51st, & 58th picks?... :o

Danny Ainge is going to be real busy on draft day. I wonder if he'll spend any time talking to the Blazer front office.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#570 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 4:26 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:by the way, for those kind of wanting Portland to go after Dwight Howard, it may be noteworthy that Mike D'Antoni is going to have a 2nd interview with the Rockets

hiring him as head coach might guarantee DH opts out of his deal and goes elsewhere


D'Antoni with Harden?! That's a disaster waiting to happen. I'm definitely in the pro-Dwight camp for Portland, but regardless of all that noise, what a terrible choice for the Rockets. D'Antoni has proven he can't coach ball dominant players given his time in NY and LA with Carmelo and Kobe respectively. The only time he's been successful is with a pass first PG and a team willing to move the ball.

If they hire him, it's a pretty clear indication that Morey is starting to feel some heat from management imo. Management is probably demanding they get in line with the rest of the NBA on ball movement offense, so Morey's quick answer is to get the guy who kinda pioneered that movement in the mid-2000's. The problem with that idea is it's been clearly proven at this point D'Antoni's coaching style only works with certain rosters and it will be impossible for Houston to assemble ANY roster capable of playing his style with Harden as their #1 option. They're trying to mix oil and water just as NY did and just as LA did.


if you read the wiretap article, it sounds like Morey wants Jeff Van Gundy, but the owner doesn't. It kind of looks like D'Antoni's 2nd interview is just with the owner, and that the owner was the one impressed with D'Antoni in the first interview.

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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#571 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 18, 2016 4:37 am

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DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:by the way, for those kind of wanting Portland to go after Dwight Howard, it may be noteworthy that Mike D'Antoni is going to have a 2nd interview with the Rockets

hiring him as head coach might guarantee DH opts out of his deal and goes elsewhere


D'Antoni with Harden?! That's a disaster waiting to happen. I'm definitely in the pro-Dwight camp for Portland, but regardless of all that noise, what a terrible choice for the Rockets. D'Antoni has proven he can't coach ball dominant players given his time in NY and LA with Carmelo and Kobe respectively. The only time he's been successful is with a pass first PG and a team willing to move the ball.

If they hire him, it's a pretty clear indication that Morey is starting to feel some heat from management imo. Management is probably demanding they get in line with the rest of the NBA on ball movement offense, so Morey's quick answer is to get the guy who kinda pioneered that movement in the mid-2000's. The problem with that idea is it's been clearly proven at this point D'Antoni's coaching style only works with certain rosters and it will be impossible for Houston to assemble ANY roster capable of playing his style with Harden as their #1 option. They're trying to mix oil and water just as NY did and just as LA did.


if you read the wiretap article, it sounds like Morey wants Jeff Van Gundy, but the owner doesn't. It kind of looks like D'Antoni's 2nd interview is just with the owner, and that the owner was the one impressed with D'Antoni in the first interview.

team turmoil turns another chapter after the season crumbles


Checked the Rockets forum, they're claiming the reports of the 2nd interview with their owner is false but they openly admit they truly don't know what's happening.

Yeah, that's a team completely disconnected in the front office. Won't be surprised if Morey is either fired or let go this summer or next year sometime. Seems the FO has lost confidence in him and are taking things into their own hands which is always the writing on the wall for a lame-duck GM.

I find the Rockets a fascinating team to watch from afar. They aren't to the Kings level of dysfunction, but they also aren't far off either in some respects. Morey is truly the modern day Whitsitt. Zero regard for chemistry, just how many name players can we stuff in here and figure out how they play together later. Can you imagine if they would have gotten Melo in 2014 before he resigned with NY? Harden, Dwight and Melo? I would have put money on an on-court mid-game brawl between those 3 over shots. What a complete cluster-f that team would have been. None of those 3 guys complement the other in any way, but they're all big names so..... success?
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#572 » by Norm2953 » Wed May 18, 2016 4:39 am

Interesting ESPN in the post lottery mock has Denver (with Portland's #19 pick) picking
A Bosnian big who likely will playing overseas next season.

I think there is a real chance Portland will find a way to get a first round pick. For
Portland, what Milwaukee does at 10 for they are projected to pick Poelti which
leaves them with a surplus of bigs.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#573 » by Soulyss » Wed May 18, 2016 2:43 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Interesting ESPN in the post lottery mock has Denver (with Portland's #19 pick) picking
A Bosnian big who likely will playing overseas next season.

I think there is a real chance Portland will find a way to get a first round pick. For
Portland, what Milwaukee does at 10 for they are projected to pick Poelti which
leaves them with a surplus of bigs.


I tend to agree, I think Portland will land a first round pick, there are just too many teams with 2-3 first round picks that won't be able to use them effectively.
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Post#574 » by Downtown » Wed May 18, 2016 3:16 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:a bigger question is what are the Celtics going to do with the 3rd, 16th, 23rd, 31st, 35th, 45th, 51st, & 58th picks?...


Seriously? All for this draft? Well I guess what Olshey said about working for Paul Allen could easily happen with them simply buying a second round pick.

One other name just to throw out there is Timofey Mozgov. If you're looking for a big body that can simply patrol the paint, rebound, block shots, and put up just enough points that teams have to play him instead of slacking off, then he might be an inexpensive answer if the cap space gets tight with guys like Crabbe and Harkless eating it up. I remember when the Cavs got him he looked like a real game changer for them then at some point they changed direction and went smaller after re-signing Tristan Thompson to that huge contract.

Have him behind Plumlee and go with a combo of Aminu, Davis, and Vonleh at power forward. It also allows flexibility at another position such as a third guard or combo guard/small forward in free agency if they lose Crabbe and/or Harkless to an insane offer.

After reading the trade forum I'm also starting to reconsider Jordan Hill. I've always thought he was talented but to me anyways he kind of looked like he mailed it in last season with the Lakers and lacked intensity, but I suppose with all the negativity of that season who could blame him. But with the Pacers he seemed to rediscover some of it.

Whether it's them exactly or not I think names such as Mozgov and Hill are the type Olshey could look for and still retain Crabbe and/or Harkless. The wildcard in all this is obviously Meyers Leonard, especially after Olshey's comments during the Terry Stotts press conference.
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#575 » by Norm2953 » Wed May 18, 2016 3:53 pm

It's likely Portland will offer Cleveland's protected #1 pick in 18 for a pick in this draft. Their
target likely will be someone like Thon Maker if he falls toward the end of the first round.
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Post#576 » by Downtown » Wed May 18, 2016 4:27 pm

Norm2953 wrote:It's likely Portland will offer Cleveland's protected #1 pick in 18 for a pick in this draft. Their
target likely will be someone like Thon Maker if he falls toward the end of the first round.


If Olshey could pull that off it would be a coup. Being Canadian I've watched and read a few news articles on Maker and his story. He is still very young and unpolished but he has The Greek Freak and Kevin Durant style of game albeit he's not going against equal competition so it's difficult to figure how he would fare against real men.

But to turn Anderson Varejao into Thon Maker would be quite a feat just for the potential alone.
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Post#577 » by Downtown » Wed May 18, 2016 4:30 pm

I'm also thinking now that after seeing how many first round picks Danny Ainge has he might be willing to swap one out this year for the Cavs pick simply to defer when he really doesn't want or need all the ones he's got now.

I wouldn't expect to get the #16 but maybe with some incentive thrown in Olshey could get the #23.
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Post#578 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 5:01 pm

Downtown wrote:
One other name just to throw out there is Timofey Mozgov. If you're looking for a big body that can simply patrol the paint, rebound, block shots, and put up just enough points that teams have to play him instead of slacking off, then he might be an inexpensive answer if the cap space gets tight with guys like Crabbe and Harkless eating it up. I remember when the Cavs got him he looked like a real game changer for them then at some point they changed direction and went smaller after re-signing Tristan Thompson to that huge contract.

Have him behind Plumlee and go with a combo of Aminu, Davis, and Vonleh at power forward. It also allows flexibility at another position such as a third guard or combo guard/small forward in free agency if they lose Crabbe and/or Harkless to an insane offer.

After reading the trade forum I'm also starting to reconsider Jordan Hill. I've always thought he was talented but to me anyways he kind of looked like he mailed it in last season with the Lakers and lacked intensity, but I suppose with all the negativity of that season who could blame him. But with the Pacers he seemed to rediscover some of it.

Whether it's them exactly or not I think names such as Mozgov and Hill are the type Olshey could look for and still retain Crabbe and/or Harkless.


I'm not impressed with Mozgov. IMO, he's not that good, and that's taking into account he could have a bad role for him in Cleveland

if that's the route Portland takes at C, I'd much rather they go after Cole Aldrich then Mozgov. Aldrich looks like a true big-man-C. Here's a comparison between Aldridh, Mozgov, & Plumlee:

http://bkref.com/tiny/QMsoE

the first thing to keep in mind is that Aldrich only averaged 13.3 minutes; only 800 minutes total. So, there could certainly be some sample size issues in the comparison

anyway, per36, Aldrich averaged 15 points (on 60% shooting), 13 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Even allowing for sample-size noise, those are impressive numbers. He had a 19.6% rebound rate, and an 11.9% offensive rebound rate. More impressive numbers.

and we saw him in the playoffs. It sure seemed to me that when the Clippers went from Deandre Jordan to Aldrich in their rotation, they didn't lose much at all in rebounding, defense, or big-man intimidation.

but for me, the most impressive set of numbers are his defensive numbers. Now, defensive numbers should all be viewed a little skeptically. There can be a lot of noise due to team defense, rotations, and sample size. But Aldrich's defensive numbers are quite good. 3.1 blocks per36 is a lot. Aldrich had a block rate of 6.7% (bbref). Because of low minutes, he wasn't ranked in that category, but compare him to the top-5:

Block Pct
1. Hassan Whiteside ▪ MIA 9.7
2. Bismack Biyombo ▪ TOR 6.1
3. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 5.9
4. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 5.4
5. Kristaps Porzingis ▪ NYK 5.0

2. Cole Aldrich LAC 6.7

it's more then just blocks though. Aldrich played for the #5 team in the NBA in defensive rating; Clips had a 103.8 rating. Aldrich's defensive rating was 94 (Hassan Witeside led the NBA with a 94.5 mark). I can't recall a player posing nearly a 10 point differential between his mark and his team's, especially when the team starting point was under 105. Aldrich's defensive box plus/minus was +5.8. That's another impressive number

winshares can be a bit tricky. Because of low minutes, Aldrich's winshare marks were rather low as there is a cumulative impact. But Aldrich's winshare/48 mark was .209. For comparison, no Blazer was over .200 and only one, Ed Davis, was above .165. Anyway, proportioning Aldrich's defensive winshares by total winshares and applying that to his /48 number yields a defensive winshare/48 mark of .119. Only 3 Blazers, Davis, Lillard, & Plumlee had total winshare/48 marks better the Aldrich's defensive mark

and there's DRPM (defensive real plus/minus). Among NBA C's these are the top-5 DRPM marks this season:

1 Andrew Bogut 5.53
2 Tim Duncan 5.42
3 Cole Aldrich 4.61
4 Ian Mahinmi 4.14
5 DeAndre Jordan 4.11

and here is the top-5 for all 462 NBA players tracked:

1 Andrew Bogut, C 5.53
2 Tim Duncan, C 5.42
3 Draymond Green, PF 4.94
4 Cole Aldrich, C 4.61
5 Ian Mahinmi, C 4.14

again, there is that sample size issue. But when every single defensive measure has Aldrich performing that well, you have to think there's some solid defense there.

The wildcard in all this is obviously Meyers Leonard, especially after Olshey's comments during the Terry Stotts press conference.


it's a lot more like a joker then a wild card.

The coaches have talked about their defense needing to get better. The players have talked about it. Even Olshey has talked about. Yet, it seems like the team is determined to re-sign Meyers, and he's bad at defense. We saw in the 2nd half of the season that Stotts, after 2 and a half years of trying, finally gave up on trying to have Meyers guard PF's. Meyers simply can't do it, he doesn't have the lateral mobility. The result was that Stotts was 'hiding' Meyers by having him guard the opposing C. But because meyers is such a weak rebounder, Stotts tried to keep either Plumlee or Davis on the floor. The result was that Portland's two best defensive rebounders were the ones chasing around after opposing mobile PF's and stretch-4's. It was a sad spectacle.

remember how Aldrich was 10 points better in defensive rating then his team? Meyers was 1 point worse then his team and Portland was not a good defensive team to begin with. Keep in mind that defensive marks tend to skew in favor of big men. Aldrich had that defensive winshare/48 mark of .119; Meyers was at .035; Mason Plumlee, who is not a defensive force had a /48 mark of .062.

and remember how Aldrich ranked 3rd among NBA centers in DRPM? (Ed Davis ranked 19th and Plumlee 27th). Well, among the 100 tracked NBA PF's Meyers ranked 95th in DRPM. And if you consider him a C, out of 78 NBA C's, Meyers ranked 78th...dead last. Think about that, out of 178 NBA big men, Meyers ranked 173rd... :roll: Nope, our lying eyes weren't fooling us...Meyers sucks at defense....yeah but he can shoot the three!!
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#579 » by Wizenheimer » Wed May 18, 2016 5:13 pm

that 2018 Cleveland 1st the Blazers own is very likely to be a late first...in the 27-30 range

I think people are wildly overrating the value of that first to think Portland can get a pick like 16 or 18 for it. Even to get 23 seems a stretch. If any of those picks are for sale, some other team will likely beat what Portland has to offer unless the Blazers are willing to take back a contract with their cap-space...and that could monkey-wrench summer plans

I'd say it's more likely that if Portland traded that Cleveland pick, to Boston for instance, they might be able to get the 31st pick this year and a future 2nd. Or maybe they could get the 23rd pick if they traded the Cleveland 1st + a future 2nd + cash

I could be wrong but I think with the exploding cap, draft picks, especially 1sts, have gained a lot more value. Those 4 year locked in rookie contracts seem like gold now

I'd like to be wrong on this. I'd like to see Olshey back up his words and do some dazzling deal around the draft because that might mean all his talk about being aggressive in the draft and in the summer wasn't just GM-speak to soothe the masses. I'd take some solid deal on draft day as a good sign for summer
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Re: Portland - 2016 Offseason 

Post#580 » by zzaj » Wed May 18, 2016 5:50 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:Meyers sucks at defense....yeah but he can shoot the three!!


Only when there is no defender within 8 feet of him.

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