Lillard: I don't want to be a part of a rebuild.

One_and_Done · Post #561 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:46 am

Dame really trashing his rep on his way out the door. The way he's doing this is no better than the Hardens and Ben Simmons of the world.

DusterBuster · Post #562 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:56 am

One_and_Done wrote:Dame really trashing his rep on his way out the door. The way he's doing this is no better than the Hardens and Ben Simmons of the world.

Wtf are you talking about. Can’t honestly be any more off base if you tried.

One_and_Done · Post #563 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:05 am

To rehash my comments elsewhere:

When you sign a contract to play you give your word that you will play it out. The contract itself actually specifies you have to play too. Dame isn't offering to give the money back so he can be free; he's demanding all his money, but that his employers trade him to the team of his choice or else he'll fake an injury and refuse to play well. It's no different in principle to Harden or Kawhi or Simmons.

Teams can't dishonour contracts and refuse to pay you, so players shouldn't be able to either. Practically there may not be much the Blazers can do, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

On a personal level I just don't think much of someone who reneges on their word in this way. Real men make good on their commitments.

monopoman · Post #564 » by **monopoman** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:15 am

One_and_Done wrote:To rehash my comments elsewhere:

When you sign a contract to play you give your word that you will play it out. The contract itself actually specifies you have to play too. Dame isn't offering to give the money back so he can be free; he's demanding all his money, but that his employers trade him to the team of his choice or else he'll fake an injury and refuse to play well. It's no different in principle to Harden or Kawhi or Simmons.

Teams can't dishonour contracts and refuse to pay you, so players shouldn't be able to either. Practically there may not be much the Blazers can do, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

On a personal level I just don't think much of someone who reneges on their word in this way. Real men make good on their commitments.

It's pretty hard to fake an injury, again the more players that try this **** the more owners get fed up and make the next CBA more grueling. The players think there are no consequences for their actions but they are dead wrong. Over time this **** just pisses off fans and guess what if fans start caring less even the owners that might benefit from this bull will also change their mind.

One_and_Done · Post #565 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:24 am

I mean if you're smart it's easy. Just go dog it on the court Harden style. Ben didn't want to do that is all.

DiegoChara · Post #566 » by **DiegoChara** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:03 am

One_and_Done wrote:To rehash my comments elsewhere:

When you sign a contract to play you give your word that you will play it out. The contract itself actually specifies you have to play too. Dame isn't offering to give the money back so he can be free; he's demanding all his money, but that his employers trade him to the team of his choice or else he'll fake an injury and refuse to play well. It's no different in principle to Harden or Kawhi or Simmons.

Teams can't dishonour contracts and refuse to pay you, so players shouldn't be able to either. Practically there may not be much the Blazers can do, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

On a personal level I just don't think much of someone who reneges on their word in this way. Real men make good on their commitments.

Truly an embarrassing take. Absolutely no evidence Lillard has ever or would ever deliberately underperform.

On a personal level, I think you’re a tool.

Post #567 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:13 am

Revived wrote:
will wrote:So....can Portland do a refund on that Grant deal?

Geezus Christ. The deal was bad assuming Dame wanted to stay.

Now that he has requested a trade?

Yikes.

It’s obvious even Dame thinks of it as a massive overpay for Grant that severely handicaps the team going forward. Paying that kind of $$ for a complete non-star is just absolutely insane and probably what gave Dame the final push to ask out.

Lol Dame is all for his buddies getting paid. He worked to get Grant to Portland and wanted to make sure his boy got paid before he left.

Post #568 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:15 am

One_and_Done wrote:To rehash my comments elsewhere:

When you sign a contract to play you give your word that you will play it out. The contract itself actually specifies you have to play too. Dame isn't offering to give the money back so he can be free; he's demanding all his money, but that his employers trade him to the team of his choice or else he'll fake an injury and refuse to play well. It's no different in principle to Harden or Kawhi or Simmons.

Teams can't dishonour contracts and refuse to pay you, so players shouldn't be able to either. Practically there may not be much the Blazers can do, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

On a personal level I just don't think much of someone who reneges on their word in this way. Real men make good on their commitments.

Portland should make the trade on our time-frame which means there is a chance he is on the roster come the start of the season but it wouldn't be in either side's interest for him to play.

If he was traded and refused to play then we should heavily criticize him, but until he is asked to play games and refuses we should hold off on assuming the worst from him. We can freak out when we cross that bridge but leveling accusations against him before he has done what we are accusing him of going to do is putting the cart ahead of the horse, right?

monopoman · Post #569 » by **monopoman** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 6:59 am

It would be completely against the persona that Dame has structured to pout and sit on the bench. Either that or fake an injury, even if it takes a few weeks or months to trade him he shouldn't be upset. He is still getting his huge paycheck, and already the Blazers FO said we will trade him it's just a matter of when not if.

If he really wants to piss off Blazer fans he can go scorched earth with the fans/city, but he does own businesses in the area and trust me Blazer fans won't forget. He basically would have to sell everything he owns in Portland then move away forever. This is a fanbase that would boo Felton for years after he was off the team, when he only played a very small period of time here.

Sulla · Post #570 » by **Sulla** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 7:20 am

Jsun947 wrote:
will wrote:So....can Portland do a refund on that Grant deal?

Geezus Christ. The deal was bad assuming Dame wanted to stay.

Now that he has requested a trade?

Yikes.

It's fine. Grant doesn't have negative value. You really think we couldn't trade him for Tobias Harris?

No? The 76ers are happy to be almost done with Harris. Why would they want five more years of a worse version of him?

monopoman · Post #571 » by **monopoman** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 8:16 am

So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

m0ng0 · Post #572 » by **m0ng0** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:00 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Revived wrote:
will wrote:So....can Portland do a refund on that Grant deal?

Geezus Christ. The deal was bad assuming Dame wanted to stay.

Now that he has requested a trade?

Yikes.

It’s obvious even Dame thinks of it as a massive overpay for Grant that severely handicaps the team going forward. Paying that kind of $$ for a complete non-star is just absolutely insane and probably what gave Dame the final push to ask out.

Lol Dame is all for his buddies getting paid. He worked to get Grant to Portland and wanted to make sure his boy got paid before he left.

At the expense of our team, yeah what a guy :noway:

m0ng0 · Post #573 » by **m0ng0** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:01 pm

monopoman wrote:So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

He can sit for all I care

GEE · Post #574 » by **GEE** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:19 pm

m0ng0 wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Revived wrote:It’s obvious even Dame thinks of it as a massive overpay for Grant that severely handicaps the team going forward. Paying that kind of $$ for a complete non-star is just absolutely insane and probably what gave Dame the final push to ask out.

Lol Dame is all for his buddies getting paid. He worked to get Grant to Portland and wanted to make sure his boy got paid before he left.

At the expense of our team, yeah what a guy

You know who was also thought of as a great guy, until he wasn't... OJ.

will · Post #575 » by **will** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:42 pm

GEE wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Lol Dame is all for his buddies getting paid. He worked to get Grant to Portland and wanted to make sure his boy got paid before he left.

At the expense of our team, yeah what a guy

You know who was also thought of as a great guy, until he wasn't... OJ.

OOF!

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #576 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:50 pm

Dame may very well get his championship in Miami, but I predict that someday he will be sorry he didn't want to be a part of this rebuild. Scoot and Sharpe are gonna be a nasty duo, and there's no telling how high they'll ascend -- probably higher, and quicker, with Dame as mentor. The mini-tanks of the past two seasons have this team a lot farther along its rebuild than most teams would be at a similar point along the career arc of their star player. Losing Dame is a devastating setback, but this is a climbing, not declining, team.

Dame could have been an even bigger legend for leading the next generation and graciously handing over the keys when they were ready to succeed him. And maybe, just maybe, this all happens on a timeline that brings Dame a championship in Portland, even if "only" as a supporting player. Or maybe not. But I think this Blazers team is poised to take off, with or without Dame, within a couple years, and I believe Dame is going to see enough to wish he'd been a part of the next era of Blazermania.

Blazinaway · Post #577 » by **Blazinaway** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:11 pm

monopoman wrote:So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

What does "word is" mean? is there something more definitive on this? I am being careful with this, because if it really is a "demand" to only go to Miami for me that is a huge deal and I'd become a lot more negative toward Dame and trying to be reasonable with his trade request

red_power · Post #578 » by **red_power** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:24 pm

monopoman wrote:So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

Yeah that's a weird approach. With having 4 more years on his deal and no no-trade clause Dame doesn't have a lot of leverage in this situation. And there is absolutely no reason for Blazers to trade him to Miami for a bunch of expiring contracts and 2035 second round picks simply because Lillard wants to get there.
In fact, it might be a better option to give Ben Simmon's treatment rather than accept complete BS of an offer, although I wouldn't obviously want to see the situation going that far.

GEE · Post #579 » by **GEE** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:39 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
monopoman wrote:So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

What does "word is" mean? is there something more definitive on this? I am being careful with this, because if it really is a "demand" to only go to Miami for me that is a huge deal and I'd become a lot more negative toward Dame and trying to be reasonable with his trade request

Remember when people around here would just respond with... "Source?"

Sinobas · Post #580 » by **Sinobas** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:41 pm

monopoman wrote:So word is Dame is now saying Heat or bust, if he is really going to restrict us to one team that really makes me lose nearly all respect for him. The Heat are not the only contender there are PLENTY of other teams that he could go to and win with, this notion that The Heat are the only option are **** stupid.

I could understand him saying "I want to go to a contender, or here is a list of 5 teams any of those work." **** this Heat are the only option bull.

I haven't seen that from any credible source though. Anything legit would come from Hayes/Woj, also he has no contractual right to chose where he goes to. He's not in a position to demand a trade to just 1 team.

I still think it's in the Blazers best interest to trade him this season though, because the longer we wait, the less value he has. Just find a deal that gives us positive value and not taking on any stupid long term contracts.