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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#61 » by skoharry » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 pm

i love it. sure turner was a better passer and slasher, but bazemore is a better defender and 3PT shoooter. he's a better mentor for little
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#62 » by d-train » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:50 pm

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d-train wrote:Bazemore is just as tradeable as Turner. I see no reason why this deal would interfere with any trade Blazer might want to do.


They can't trade Bazemore alone, but they can't combine him with another player for some time I believe. It semi-potentially hinders some summer moves, but not drastically and it might be so minimal as to basically be inconsequential.

They can make any trade that isn't finalized for 60 days. No big deal.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#63 » by d-train » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:55 pm

Keep an eye on Bazemore's whereabouts. If he doesn't come to town, I'd be suspicious. It would something for the gossips here to talk about.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#65 » by monopoman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:17 am

I love this trade, Bazemore fits this team much better and I think he could flourish here even if he doesn't we just let him go in the off-season. I am more on board with this trade than trading ET for a worse contract that doesn't expire for a few years.

Blown away that Olshey got this thing going without giving up a single pick, it seems like in a vacuum Bazemore is slightly more valuable.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#66 » by Waynearchetype » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:20 am

I wonder if Kanter will take MLE?
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#67 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:21 am

Waynearchetype wrote:I wonder if Kanter will take MLE?


meaning "tax MLE"? which I believe per previous posts starts at 5.7 mil?
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#68 » by monopoman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:22 am

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red_power wrote:Maybe Leonard's trade is finally coming soon as well? :roll:
I can only hope.

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I think anyone still opining for a Leonard trade are going to be in for a long wait. With how he finished the season and with Nurk out for at least a couple months, they need all the size up front they can get. I think you'll probably be seeing a fairly significant role for Leonard to start the Blazers season unless something crazy unexpected happens. Maybe the Blazers can get lucky with Kanter having a soft FA market and they can bring him back on a one year MLE deal, but I feel like if Rodney Hood has a bigger contract waiting for him somewhere, then Kanter will likely as well.

Leonard is becoming a very accomplished offensive player, the problem with his game now is rebounding and to a much greater extent defense. Now who knows if he can figure those things out but if he does he could go from a bad contract to a great one. As a scorer though I think Leonard might be one of the best big man scorers in the league.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#69 » by d-train » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 am

Waynearchetype wrote:I wonder if Kanter will take MLE?

We will soon find out.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#70 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:45 am

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deanwoof wrote:I can only hope.

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I think anyone still opining for a Leonard trade are going to be in for a long wait. With how he finished the season and with Nurk out for at least a couple months, they need all the size up front they can get. I think you'll probably be seeing a fairly significant role for Leonard to start the Blazers season unless something crazy unexpected happens. Maybe the Blazers can get lucky with Kanter having a soft FA market and they can bring him back on a one year MLE deal, but I feel like if Rodney Hood has a bigger contract waiting for him somewhere, then Kanter will likely as well.

Leonard is becoming a very accomplished offensive player, the problem with his game now is rebounding and to a much greater extent defense. Now who knows if he can figure those things out but if he does he could go from a bad contract to a great one. As a scorer though I think Leonard might be one of the best big man scorers in the league.


I think Olshey is gonna roll the dice one more time with Leonard and bet on that late season quality play from him being the new norm for Meyers instead of just a small blip.

The funny thing is, if Leonard does have a career year next year and is an important player for the team, that means he's likely getting a new deal from the Blazers.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#71 » by d-train » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:58 am

I wonder if Bazemore could withdraw his opt in (with Blazers approval) and sign an extension. Blazers could offer a 3 year $24-25M deal. This would be a better way for Blazers to pay Bazemore $19M + 2.5M + 2.5M, than taking the hit in 1 year. And, it would really endear him to fans.

Edit: The 3 year deal could be $9M + $8.28M + $7.56M
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#72 » by Sinobas » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:00 am

I was really excited when I saw the headline, but deflated a bit when I found our Bazemore actually makes more than Turner.

But Turner clearly had to go

I don't know much about Bazemore, but looking at his stats, he doesn't look like anything to be excited about. But he'll be a better fit than Turner. I"d rather find a way to keep Hood though.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#73 » by dunlop212 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:04 am

This is a great pickup for Portland. Less than a year ago he was considered to be a top 100 player (by SI, anyway).

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2018/09/12/atlanta-hawks-kent-bazemore-ranked-91-sis-top-100/

He is still only 29, so I don't see why he can't be one again. NO still has work to do, but if they can keep the Chief, that's a competitive squad.

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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#74 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:05 am

d-train wrote:I wonder if Bazemore could withdraw his opt in (with Blazers approval) and sign an extension. Blazers could offer a 3 year $24-25M deal. This would be a better way for Blazers to pay Bazemore $19M + 2.5M + 2.5M, than taking the hit in 1 year. And, it would really endear him to fans.

Edit: The 3 year deal could be $9M + $8.28M + $7.56M


No agent would ever ever EVER advise his client to make that kind of deal.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#75 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:06 am

Sinobas wrote:I was really excited when I saw the headline, but deflated a bit when I found our Bazemore actually makes more than Turner.

But Turner clearly had to go

I don't know much about Bazemore, but looking at his stats, he doesn't look like anything to be excited about. But he'll be a better fit than Turner. I"d rather find a way to keep Hood though.


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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#76 » by d-train » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:11 am

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d-train wrote:I wonder if Bazemore could withdraw his opt in (with Blazers approval) and sign an extension. Blazers could offer a 3 year $24-25M deal. This would be a better way for Blazers to pay Bazemore $19M + 2.5M + 2.5M, than taking the hit in 1 year. And, it would really endear him to fans.

Edit: The 3 year deal could be $9M + $8.28M + $7.56M


No agent would ever ever EVER advise his client to make that kind of deal.

I don't think the agent or the player is a problem. Thinking more about it, it can't be done. Bazemore has to opt-in before Hawks and trade him. There is noway a precursor to the trade can be rolled back after the trade. And, an extension isn't allowed until right before free agency.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#77 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:14 am

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d-train wrote:I wonder if Bazemore could withdraw his opt in (with Blazers approval) and sign an extension. Blazers could offer a 3 year $24-25M deal. This would be a better way for Blazers to pay Bazemore $19M + 2.5M + 2.5M, than taking the hit in 1 year. And, it would really endear him to fans.

Edit: The 3 year deal could be $9M + $8.28M + $7.56M


No agent would ever ever EVER advise his client to make that kind of deal.

I don't think the agent or the player is a problem. Thinking more about it, it can't be done. Bazemore has to opt-in before Hawks and trade him. There is noway a precursor to the trade can be rolled back after the trade. And, an extension isn't allowed until right before free agency.


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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#78 » by Sinobas » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:16 am

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Sinobas wrote:I was really excited when I saw the headline, but deflated a bit when I found our Bazemore actually makes more than Turner.

But Turner clearly had to go

I don't know much about Bazemore, but looking at his stats, he doesn't look like anything to be excited about. But he'll be a better fit than Turner. I"d rather find a way to keep Hood though.


You were deflated over 600k dollars of someone elses money?


No, I thought we had cleared enough cap space to get the full MLE, to keep either Hood or Kanter.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#79 » by d-train » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:19 am

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No agent would ever ever EVER advise his client to make that kind of deal.

I don't think the agent or the player is a problem. Thinking more about it, it can't be done. Bazemore has to opt-in before Hawks and trade him. There is noway a precursor to the trade can be rolled back after the trade. And, an extension isn't allowed until right before free agency.


I really wonder what reality you live in sometimes.

You think Bazemore is better off making $19.2M + $1.7M + $1.8M, than $9M + $8.28M + $7.56M.

Edit: Plus he has a guaranteed income beyond the $19.2M.
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Re: Woj: Turner to Hawks for Bazemore 

Post#80 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:21 am

Without Aminu/Kanter I think Stotts runs with something along these lines:

Lillard/Simmons
CJ/Bazemore/Simmons
Bazemore/Little/Trent JR
Harkless/Meyers/Zco/Skal
(Nurk)/Z-CO/Meyers

Is it just me or are we still a few moves away from filling out (especially at wing)? I HOPE we can retain Kanter but that's kind of 50/50, Hood seems like a goner at this point though. Will we retain Aminu or find a cheaper replacement for MLE money? It seems like role players are a heckuva lot cheaper these days especially C's, perhaps offer that MLE to bring back Ed Davis or see if we can't attract someone on the cheap IE Monroe if Kanter bolts?

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