Trade Thread

Khazim · Post #61 » by **Khazim** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm

Your well thought-out and expressed reasoning, and sound logic, have convinced me thoroughly...

BlazersBroncos · Post #62 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:44 pm

I am surprised people still engage w/ d-train when it comes to trade ideas. His evaluation of players has everything to do with the fact that any guy in a Blazers jersey is an infallible talent that is worth 2-5 times more in value than said player would be worth if he wore any other jersey.

Khazim · Post #63 » by **Khazim** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:22 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I am surprised people still engage w/ d-train when it comes to trade ideas. His evaluation of players has everything to do with the fact that any guy in a Blazers jersey is an infallible talent that is worth 2-5 times more in value than said player would be worth if he wore any other jersey.

Momentary lapse of reason. I'm desperate for trade talk and like to give people an occasional chance for redemption, but yeah not too fruitful.

I'm higher on Dieng than most, and have long thought Covington would be a great fit here, so Simons and a protected FRP seems reasonable to me, though I do have concerns for RoCo's health.

It's been hard to find good trade ideas this year, as there are many different avenues we could take, be it dodging luxury tax, taking on a vet, or swapping some young talent for different young talent. In my opinion, I think one of CJ or Simons needs to eventually go, and now seems like the time to do it. I like the idea of sending Simons home to Orlando, and Gordon is still intriguing, but I have my doubts that Orlando is ready for that. CJ to Philly for Simmons makes sense I think for both teams, but the PPP pretty much puts the nail in the coffin, and Simmons probably takes more than CJ anyways. Richardson would be great, but need more and impossible to make the salaries work. Ugh.

Waynearchetype · Post #64 » by **Waynearchetype** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:58 pm

Going to toss out some ideas I haven't seen on this board before - First up!

This assumes Nurk isn't far away.

Cheap backup C next year in Bryant. Starting quality young SF in Brown. Normally I wouldn't think a team would trade someone who has shown improvement like Brown, but WAS also has Wagner (who is playing better in his 2nd year) and Bertans(who is also better than both). They'd obviously hope to sign Whiteside long term as well.

Waynearchetype · Post #65 » by **Waynearchetype** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:06 pm

The ReTurner

We limp to the finish line and have a decent PF for next year.

BlazersBroncos · Post #66 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:26 pm

We limp to the finish line and have a decent PF for next year.

Man, really dislike this one. Jabari is fools gold. His only role would be a scoring PF off the bench, but I would much rather roll with Melo there (Who at like 40 is a far superior, well rounded player).

Cheap backup C next year in Bryant. Starting quality young SF in Brown. Normally I wouldn't think a team would trade someone who has shown improvement like Brown, but WAS also has Wagner (who is playing better in his 2nd year) and Bertans(who is also better than both). They'd obviously hope to sign Whiteside long term as well.

Don't see WAS doing this. WAS fans would argue, and I would agree, that they are moving two superior young guys (Thomas at 22, Brown at 20) for one inferior young guy (Simons at 20) with canceling expiring's being swapped.

Khazim · Post #67 » by **Khazim** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:11 pm

I really like the Washington trade. Did not think of that one before!

We can't reacquire Turner this season, but regardless Parker is not a good fit, IMO, and Len would be better suited as a low level starter than as a backup. If they would move Cam Reddish though...

Waynearchetype · Post #68 » by **Waynearchetype** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Don't see WAS doing this. WAS fans would argue, and I would agree, that they are moving two superior young guys (Thomas at 22, Brown at 20) for one inferior young guy (Simons at 20) with canceling expiring's being swapped.

The idea would be that they could go over the cap to resign whiteside not necessarily straight swap for the youngin.

Matt800 · Post #69 » by **Matt800** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:08 am

Another idea is Whiteside for Otto Porter Jr. Porter is 26, and his 3 and D numbers have been very good at times.

I think the organization wants to keep CJ and Simons. There are a handful of free agent PGs for next summer, but I'm guessing they will stick with Simons. It would be nice if he learns to play defense and hit his 3s.

Norm2953 · Post #70 » by **Norm2953** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:24 am

Supposedly, according to Jason Quick there is a 50/50 chance at Whiteside getting traded at
the deadline. If Portland is willing to accept little but getting out of taxes, something might
get done but expectations of a major return are not going to happen.

Waynearchetype · Post #71 » by **Waynearchetype** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:16 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Supposedly, according to Jason Quick there is a 50/50 chance at Whiteside getting traded at
the deadline. If Portland is willing to accept little but getting out of taxes, something might
get done but expectations of a major return are not going to happen.

This post is as speculative as Quicks (also Quick never breaks blazers stories...).

Whitesides contract is too big to not return something, and I'm having a hard time finding combinations of expirings that would make sense from a tax perspective.

BlazersBroncos · Post #72 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:14 pm

Even if we are not bringing back RoCo, Minnesota is a good trading partner if we want to save money.

Whiteside (27M) for Dieng (16M) + Napier (1.8M) + Vonleh (2M) + 2 SRP's

We shave 7.2M in salary this season, even more taking tax into effect. We get a long term backup C who is a much better system fit than Whiteside, a true backup PG and a utility big that can play PF and C. Cut Mario and Swanigan to make the roster spots work.

G - Damian Lillard / Shabazz Napier
G - CJ McCollum / Anfernee Simons
F - Trevor Ariza / Gary Trent Jr / Nassir Little
F - Carmelo Anthony / Skal Labissiere / Nassir Little
C - Gorgui Dieng / Noah Vonleh

Next Season - Resign Melo to MLE, resign Napier, resign Vonleh (Assuming he is cheaper than Skal), guarantee Ariza, draft a SF (Isaac Okoro), trade SRP for future SRP, hope Simons and Zach make jumps:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfrenee Simons / Shabazz Napier
G - CJ McCollum / Anfernee Simons / Gary Trent Jr
F - Trevor Ariza / Rodney Hood / Isaac Okoro
F - Zach Collins / Carmelo Anthony / Nassir Little
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Gorgui Dieng / Noah Vonleh

Not spectacular, but better and realistic'ish

Post #73 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:48 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Supposedly, according to Jason Quick there is a 50/50 chance at Whiteside getting traded at
the deadline. If Portland is willing to accept little but getting out of taxes, something might
get done but expectations of a major return are not going to happen.

Lol, whenever someone says "its 50/50" it means "I have no **** clue"

Matt800 · Post #74 » by **Matt800** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Looks like Melo wants to re-sign with portland this offseason.

"I would love to stay," he said. "I feel like this is the place for me to end my career. It could have happened earlier, but it didn't. Now, where I'm at in my life and my career — this is where I want to retire."

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/449904-366478-melo-is-back-and-so-is-the-joy

HoopsFanAZ · Post #75 » by **HoopsFanAZ** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:46 pm

Matt800 wrote:Looks like Melo wants to re-sign with portland this offseason.

"I would love to stay," he said. "I feel like this is the place for me to end my career. It could have happened earlier, but it didn't. Now, where I'm at in my life and my career — this is where I want to retire."

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/449904-366478-melo-is-back-and-so-is-the-joy

I saw that on HoopsRumors ... the quote coming from a Kerry Eggers interview. Good stuff. Great PR for bringing in veterans.
So, now, I choose to amend and extend previous remarks (on the previous page).

Nurkic, Collins (PF/C), Melo (PF/SF) ... with the resurrection of Hood and the development of Little ...
1. I'd love to see an upgrade 3 & D SF with size/length.
2. One more journeyman PF/C ... either athletic and long on D rim protector or a shorter and a bit of a contact-loving-long-ball scrapper.
3. A veteran backup PG.

Soulyss · Post #76 » by **Soulyss** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 3:10 am

I'm Famous

https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/1/31/21115254/trail-blazers-fake-trade-competition-winner-aaron-gordon-magic-hawks-nba-deadline

Waynearchetype · Post #77 » by **Waynearchetype** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 2:19 am

Is Gordon considered a good contract right now? He seems to have majorly regressed this year.

Waynearchetype · Post #78 » by **Waynearchetype** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 2:27 am

This trade is actually 2 trades but both need to be agreed upon to make sense (this is due to Ariza not being able to be combined with another player in a trade).
CJ/Ariza to Chicago for Porter, Markannen, Dunn
(to be legal it needs to be CJ for Porter and Ariza for Markannen+Dunn as separate trades)

Post #79 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 2:36 am

The only trade that interests me is Whiteside, Simon's, and a protected pick for Covington, Dieng, and Napier.

Playoff Roster

PG Lillard / Napier
SG McCollum / Trent Jr (Hood)
SF Covington / Ariza / Little
Pf Collins / Melo / Labisserie
_C Nurkic / Dieng

Matt800 · Post #80 » by **Matt800** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:19 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:The only trade that interests me is Whiteside, Simon's, and a protected pick for Covington, Dieng, and Napier.

Playoff Roster

PG Lillard / Napier
SG McCollum / Trent Jr (Hood)
SF Covington / Ariza / Little
Pf Collins / Melo / Labisserie
_C Nurkic / Dieng

I like it, that team has a shot against anyone. Can play lineups with a lot of defense and length. Can play lineups with 5 guys who can hit 3s.