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Post#61 » by GEE » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:41 am

I just don't understand all the outrage. Memories seem short and patience thin. Stotts :lol: seriously?

We were a disaster by the time the Vulcans finally decided to CAN Olshey. Cronin made huge changes and we are still a step or two away from completing this roster. Had we been able to keep that NO lottery pick, we most likely would be in a much better situation now, likely with either Duren or Williams. Cronin decided to go with the sexy BPA pick in Sharpe though and the rest is history. Cronin will be judged most for what he's able to accomplish this summer, and there's alot to do. He very much needs to make a great trade if he can't light a fire under Nurk's ass. He will also need to make a decision on Grant obviously, but also Winslow, Reddish and Thybulle too I think. Cronin has several picks to use, and I hope he trades out of this draft for One Great addition in the painted area to help The Shaq of Troutdale. That's all I want. Add one solid Big. Trade Nurkic, or keep him as a 3rd stringer if we must. Wish both of our FRPs and player like Little was enough for the Hornets to gift us Williams still, but I know I'm dreaming at this point.

See, IMO the pressure should be on Cronin right now, not Chauncey. Cronin needs to finish the roster this summer and he will be judged accordingly. I think the Chauncey judgement should be held off mostly until this time next season. Heck, If we are building and stealth tanking... isn't Chauncey then doing a pretty good job? I'm just holding my critcism of both Coach and GM... for now.
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Post#62 » by BNM » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:05 pm

GEE wrote:I just don't understand all the outrage. Memories seem short and patience thin. Stotts :lol: seriously?


The outrage is Chauncey's incompetence is pissing away the best season of Dame's career. Stotts had his flaws, but POR was a great 4th quarter team under him - one of the best Clutch Time teams in the league. They certainly didn't piss away double digit leads like Chauncey's team - and they did that with Aminu and Harkless as the forward spots.

Yeah, Chauncey got a pass last year due to Dame's injury, but what's his excuse for blowing 17 double digit leads??? He has three scorers averaging over 20 PTS/G - a luxury Stotts never had, and he has the best Clutch Time performer in the league having his best season ever, yet he can't figure out how to hold a 20-point lead.

If POR was just 10-7 in those games, they would currently be solidly in the 4th seed, just 1 game back of the No. 2 seed SAC. Yeah, Cronin blew it up at the deadline when he realized this team wasn't going anywhere with Chauncey at the helm, but we started the season with the best staring 5 we've had since Aldridge left. This didn't have to be a wasted season. Chauncey made it so.
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Post#63 » by valleyman33 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:55 pm

GEE wrote:I just don't understand all the outrage. Memories seem short and patience thin. Stotts :lol: seriously?

We were a disaster by the time the Vulcans finally decided to CAN Olshey. Cronin made huge changes and we are still a step or two away from completing this roster. Had we been able to keep that NO lottery pick, we most likely would be in a much better situation now, likely with either Duren or Williams. Cronin decided to go with the sexy BPA pick in Sharpe though and the rest is history. Cronin will be judged most for what he's able to accomplish this summer, and there's alot to do. He very much needs to make a great trade if he can't light a fire under Nurk's ass. He will also need to make a decision on Grant obviously, but also Winslow, Reddish and Thybulle too I think. Cronin has several picks to use, and I hope he trades out of this draft for One Great addition in the painted area to help The Shaq of Troutdale. That's all I want. Add one solid Big. Trade Nurkic, or keep him as a 3rd stringer if we must. Wish both of our FRPs and player like Little was enough for the Hornets to gift us Williams still, but I know I'm dreaming at this point.

See, IMO the pressure should be on Cronin right now, not Chauncey. Cronin needs to finish the roster this summer and he will be judged accordingly. I think the Chauncey judgement should be held off mostly until this time next season. Heck, If we are building and stealth tanking... isn't Chauncey then doing a pretty good job? I'm just holding my critcism of both Coach and GM... for now.

I agree with part of what you are saying, however, there have been at least 15-20 very winnable games if we had a better coach. I really don't get what he is trying to do on defense, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to his rotations, how do we always seem to have a guard on a big under the basket?? I had thought when they first signed him as coach that his strong point was going to be defense, guess not.
I also don't have any confidence that they are going to make any good moves this summer. They offered Grant more money than I thought he was worth, and he turned it down!! If he gets Max money this summer we are going to be messed up for a long time.
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Post#64 » by BNM » Fri May 5, 2023 7:05 pm

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Three coaches with recent championship experience available, yet we still have Chauncey :crazy:

In addition to recent championship head coaching experience, all three of these coaches have career winning records, both regular season and in the playoffs.

Mike Budenholzer:
Career Regular Season: 484-317 = .604
Career Playoffs: 56-48 = .538
MIL Regular Season: 271-120 = .693
MIL Playoffs: 39-26 = .600

Frank Vogel:
Career Regular Season: 431-389 = .526
Career Playoffs: 49-39 = .557
LAL Regular Season: 127-98 = .564
LAL Playoffs: 18-9 = .667

Nick Nurse:
Career Regular Season: 227-163 = .582
Career Playoffs: 25-16 = .610

Chauncey Billups:
Career Regular Season: 60-104 = .366
Career Playoffs: NA

Come on Jody, fire Chauncey and hire a real NBA head coach!!!
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Post#65 » by BNM » Fri May 5, 2023 7:06 pm

Dame is on board!!! Get it done!

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Post#66 » by BNM » Fri May 5, 2023 7:12 pm

I was upset when we didn't fire Chauncey and hire Quin Snyder before ATL snapped him up. Now, with THREE coaches with recent championship experience available, the fact that Chauncey still has a job is pure insanity.

We need to fire Chauncey TODAY and immediately start interviewing these three REAL coaches, pick the best, make him an offer he can't refuse and stop pissing away the last remaining productive years of Damian Lillard's NBA career.
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Post#67 » by Norm2953 » Fri May 5, 2023 8:00 pm

Hire the best teaching coach to replace Chauncey. He will have this years 2023 lottery pick, Simons and
Sharpe to work with which really is a good start and build the team around Sharpe, who athletically
might be their best player since Clyde. Find players to complement that new young core of players
for those guys likely need a second rebounder and perhaps another shooter/ball handler that can make
an open 3, in order to win.
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Post#68 » by Sinobas » Fri May 5, 2023 10:52 pm

I don't understand what this franchise is doing. They needed a Vet coach and got a rookie, Ainge was available and they just promoted from within. We finally gave up on the CJ/Dame experiment then just delivered a worse version of it in Simons/Dame.

It's a rudderless franchise. Time to pick a direction and go.
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Post#69 » by Norm2953 » Sun May 14, 2023 2:07 am

Okay, Monte Williams just got fired by the Suns.

Do we pursue Monte to replace Chauncey?
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Post#70 » by zzaj » Sun May 14, 2023 6:09 am

BNM wrote:
GEE wrote:I just don't understand all the outrage. Memories seem short and patience thin. Stotts :lol: seriously?


The outrage is Chauncey's incompetence is pissing away the best season of Dame's career. Stotts had his flaws, but POR was a great 4th quarter team under him - one of the best Clutch Time teams in the league. They certainly didn't piss away double digit leads like Chauncey's team - and they did that with Aminu and Harkless as the forward spots.

Yeah, Chauncey got a pass last year due to Dame's injury, but what's his excuse for blowing 17 double digit leads??? He has three scorers averaging over 20 PTS/G - a luxury Stotts never had, and he has the best Clutch Time performer in the league having his best season ever, yet he can't figure out how to hold a 20-point lead.

If POR was just 10-7 in those games, they would currently be solidly in the 4th seed, just 1 game back of the No. 2 seed SAC. Yeah, Cronin blew it up at the deadline when he realized this team wasn't going anywhere with Chauncey at the helm, but we started the season with the best staring 5 we've had since Aldridge left. This didn't have to be a wasted season. Chauncey made it so.


This X1000. Chauncey helmed some of the worst Blazer coaching I’ve seen since Cheeks.

We can add Monty to the pile of coaches that would be a big improvement over Bullups…but they won’t. They’ll keep Billups and struggle unnecessarily.

IMHO, the best thing the franchise could actually do to keep Lillard is to can Chauncey and get a Championship caliber coach. “We’re interested in winning and Championships, at the Blazers. If you’re not interested in winning, there’s the door.” Sometimes you gotta actually show some cajones to get respected.
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Post#71 » by GEE » Sun May 14, 2023 6:16 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Okay, Monte Williams just got fired by the Suns.

Do we pursue Monte to replace Chauncey?


It's not even a knock on Chauncey at all, but I'd say YES! Without a doubt, I'd pursue Monte HARD. We let him get away before, and I did not see him becoming available again, ever. I think you MUST consider it, and even offer it quietly. Monte may want to just take that year long vacation. Meanwhile, we let Chauncey run it for another year. If Monte would prefer to just get back to work, and he might, I see him as a HUGE upgrade and a gift from the Suns, that I would make every effort to get. I'd consider moving Billups to a koushy exec position alongside Cronin, but would have no problem just letting him go. He could go coach the Pistons.
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Post#72 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon May 15, 2023 12:21 am

Norm2953 wrote:Okay, Monte Williams just got fired by the Suns.

Do we pursue Monte to replace Chauncey?


I would let Billups go, then reach out to Monty William's. Did he have any issues when he was an Assistant Coach in Portland?
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Post#73 » by Case2012 » Mon May 15, 2023 6:25 am

Zero chance we fire Chaucey and pay his salary while bringing in a more expensive coach.
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Post#74 » by monopoman » Mon May 15, 2023 6:48 am

Chauncey has not really lost the players yet so I think he gets minimum one more season, I know many fans here think he is garbage but when you listen to the most important players on the team they don't agree.

The tweet by Dame also doesn't really indicate jack ****, he was a huge proponent of wanting Billups during the initial hire. Since then he has never gone against Billup, and has said he believes in Billups on more than one occasion, this is even true in extremely recent interviews. We have to remember that a main reason Stotts was likely fired was he had lost a good portion of the player base and it felt like the players were not really listening to him in his last year or two.
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Post#75 » by BNM » Tue May 16, 2023 9:29 pm

monopoman wrote:Chauncey has not really lost the players yet so I think he gets minimum one more season, I know many fans here think he is garbage but when you listen to the most important players on the team they don't agree.

The tweet by Dame also doesn't really indicate jack ****, he was a huge proponent of wanting Billups during the initial hire. Since then he has never gone against Billup, and has said he believes in Billups on more than one occasion, this is even true in extremely recent interviews. We have to remember that a main reason Stotts was likely fired was he had lost a good portion of the player base and it felt like the players were not really listening to him in his last year or two.


Who cares if the players like Chauncey? It doesn't change the fact that he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. 17 blown double digit leads - and that was before they decided to tank with Damian Lillard having the best season of his career. With Chauncey running the show, even a 20+ point 3rd quarter lead wasn't safe.

You know what else players like? Winning, and that's never happening with Chauncey Billups as our head coach. Watching the Blazers piss away leads while Chauncey made ZERO adjustments, it was clear he is in WAY over his head as an NBA head coach. Other coaches regularly coached circles around him. There is simply no other excuse for blowing 17 double digit lads when you are actually trying to win.

Chauncey may be well liked, but I suspect that is because he doesn't hold players accountable. Prior to tanking, the Blazers had the 29th ranked defense in the league. They actually improved on the defensive end when they were trying to lose (finished with the 27th ranked defense). So much for Chauncey being a defensive mastermind. He is so incompetent his team played better defense when they are trying to lose.

With less than a month left in the season, and the team actively tanking, he was still giving big minutes to Reddish and Thybulle over Shaedon Sharpe. In a meaningless 16-point blowout loss to the Knicks on March 14, he played Sharpe less than 7 and a half minutes. He finally started playing Sharpe big minutes on March 22. What the hell is the point of limiting the minutes of your prized rookie when you are in full on tank mode? Instead, Chauncey chose to give those minutes to guys in their 4th season who are who they are and had already had over 400 minutes and a month and a half worth of playing time to audition for the Blazers.

I get that the front office wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep Dame happy by claiming they want to build a contender around him, but also want to develop younger players. The problem is Chauncey is terrible at both. At the start of the season, they were all about making the playoffs, but after blowing 17 winnable games, they threw in the towel, and rather than immediately insert Sharpe into the starting line up, Chauncey kept him on the bench for a month and a half (and 16 games), playing behind a couple known quantities, rather than start the kid and let him gain some valuable experience.

There has never been a better time to be in the market for a new head coach. So many proven coaches are currently available (Bud, Nurse, Vogel, Monty), but we have hitched our wagon to a failed experiment by hiring someone with zero experience and giving him a 5-year guaranteed contract. It's painfully obvious the Chauncey experiment was a failure, but Jody won't fire him and eat the least three years of his contract. So, other teams that actually want to win, will snap up all the good coaches and we will continue to piss away the remaining productive years of the best player to ever wear a Portland Trail Blazer uniform. So sad. So pathetic.
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Post#76 » by monopoman » Wed May 17, 2023 2:42 am

BNM wrote:
monopoman wrote:Chauncey has not really lost the players yet so I think he gets minimum one more season, I know many fans here think he is garbage but when you listen to the most important players on the team they don't agree.

The tweet by Dame also doesn't really indicate jack ****, he was a huge proponent of wanting Billups during the initial hire. Since then he has never gone against Billup, and has said he believes in Billups on more than one occasion, this is even true in extremely recent interviews. We have to remember that a main reason Stotts was likely fired was he had lost a good portion of the player base and it felt like the players were not really listening to him in his last year or two.


Who cares if the players like Chauncey? It doesn't change the fact that he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. 17 blown double digit leads - and that was before they decided to tank with Damian Lillard having the best season of his career. With Chauncey running the show, even a 20+ point 3rd quarter lead wasn't safe.

You know what else players like? Winning, and that's never happening with Chauncey Billups as our head coach. Watching the Blazers piss away leads while Chauncey made ZERO adjustments, it was clear he is in WAY over his head as an NBA head coach. Other coaches regularly coached circles around him. There is simply no other excuse for blowing 17 double digit lads when you are actually trying to win.

Chauncey may be well liked, but I suspect that is because he doesn't hold players accountable. Prior to tanking, the Blazers had the 29th ranked defense in the league. They actually improved on the defensive end when they were trying to lose (finished with the 27th ranked defense). So much for Chauncey being a defensive mastermind. He is so incompetent his team played better defense when they are trying to lose.

With less than a month left in the season, and the team actively tanking, he was still giving big minutes to Reddish and Thybulle over Shaedon Sharpe. In a meaningless 16-point blowout loss to the Knicks on March 14, he played Sharpe less than 7 and a half minutes. He finally started playing Sharpe big minutes on March 22. What the hell is the point of limiting the minutes of your prized rookie when you are in full on tank mode? Instead, Chauncey chose to give those minutes to guys in their 4th season who are who they are and had already had over 400 minutes and a month and a half worth of playing time to audition for the Blazers.

I get that the front office wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep Dame happy by claiming they want to build a contender around him, but also want to develop younger players. The problem is Chauncey is terrible at both. At the start of the season, they were all about making the playoffs, but after blowing 17 winnable games, they threw in the towel, and rather than immediately insert Sharpe into the starting line up, Chauncey kept him on the bench for a month and a half (and 16 games), playing behind a couple known quantities, rather than start the kid and let him gain some valuable experience.

There has never been a better time to be in the market for a new head coach. So many proven coaches are currently available (Bud, Nurse, Vogel, Monty), but we have hitched our wagon to a failed experiment by hiring someone with zero experience and giving him a 5-year guaranteed contract. It's painfully obvious the Chauncey experiment was a failure, but Jody won't fire him and eat the least three years of his contract. So, other teams that actually want to win, will snap up all the good coaches and we will continue to piss away the remaining productive years of the best player to ever wear a Portland Trail Blazer uniform. So sad. So pathetic.


Here is the point though, if Jody views him as someone the players are happy with why would she make a change? Unless Jody and Cronin have issues with Chauncey, the players liking him is a huge plus. Now it would be one thing if Chauncey only signed a 2 or 3 year deal with us, but if she fires him now she would have to pay his salary for 3 years. Sure it doesn't count against the cap, but that is a large ask for an owner who has shown the tendency to not want to spend.

I can understand why Blazer fans are not happy with him, but I just don't think that is a huge issue unless you start seeing massive protests outside Moda against Billups.
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Post#77 » by mighty_duck » Wed May 17, 2023 7:35 am

So 3 of 4 champion coaches fired, but also 5 of 7 finals coaches fired (Monty, Udoka). Doc Rivers also just got canned.

There has never been a better time to hire a new coach, but we have to move fast!
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Post#78 » by BNM » Fri Jun 2, 2023 7:06 pm

mighty_duck wrote:So 3 of 4 champion coaches fired, but also 5 of 7 finals coaches fired (Monty, Udoka). Doc Rivers also just got canned.

There has never been a better time to hire a new coach, but we have to move fast!


Nurse (PHI) gone!
Monty (DET) gone!
Vogel (PHO) gone!

But hey, we still have Chauncey!!!! Bud is still available, but the reason we aren't moving fast is there is no intention to move. Looks like another wasted season. Might as well start the tank in October this year. No sense in waiting until February again. Is there anyone in next year's draft worth pissing away and entire season for?
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Post#79 » by BNM » Fri Jun 2, 2023 7:12 pm

monopoman wrote:
BNM wrote:
monopoman wrote:Chauncey has not really lost the players yet so I think he gets minimum one more season, I know many fans here think he is garbage but when you listen to the most important players on the team they don't agree.

The tweet by Dame also doesn't really indicate jack ****, he was a huge proponent of wanting Billups during the initial hire. Since then he has never gone against Billup, and has said he believes in Billups on more than one occasion, this is even true in extremely recent interviews. We have to remember that a main reason Stotts was likely fired was he had lost a good portion of the player base and it felt like the players were not really listening to him in his last year or two.


Who cares if the players like Chauncey? It doesn't change the fact that he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. 17 blown double digit leads - and that was before they decided to tank with Damian Lillard having the best season of his career. With Chauncey running the show, even a 20+ point 3rd quarter lead wasn't safe.

You know what else players like? Winning, and that's never happening with Chauncey Billups as our head coach. Watching the Blazers piss away leads while Chauncey made ZERO adjustments, it was clear he is in WAY over his head as an NBA head coach. Other coaches regularly coached circles around him. There is simply no other excuse for blowing 17 double digit lads when you are actually trying to win.

Chauncey may be well liked, but I suspect that is because he doesn't hold players accountable. Prior to tanking, the Blazers had the 29th ranked defense in the league. They actually improved on the defensive end when they were trying to lose (finished with the 27th ranked defense). So much for Chauncey being a defensive mastermind. He is so incompetent his team played better defense when they are trying to lose.

With less than a month left in the season, and the team actively tanking, he was still giving big minutes to Reddish and Thybulle over Shaedon Sharpe. In a meaningless 16-point blowout loss to the Knicks on March 14, he played Sharpe less than 7 and a half minutes. He finally started playing Sharpe big minutes on March 22. What the hell is the point of limiting the minutes of your prized rookie when you are in full on tank mode? Instead, Chauncey chose to give those minutes to guys in their 4th season who are who they are and had already had over 400 minutes and a month and a half worth of playing time to audition for the Blazers.

I get that the front office wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep Dame happy by claiming they want to build a contender around him, but also want to develop younger players. The problem is Chauncey is terrible at both. At the start of the season, they were all about making the playoffs, but after blowing 17 winnable games, they threw in the towel, and rather than immediately insert Sharpe into the starting line up, Chauncey kept him on the bench for a month and a half (and 16 games), playing behind a couple known quantities, rather than start the kid and let him gain some valuable experience.

There has never been a better time to be in the market for a new head coach. So many proven coaches are currently available (Bud, Nurse, Vogel, Monty), but we have hitched our wagon to a failed experiment by hiring someone with zero experience and giving him a 5-year guaranteed contract. It's painfully obvious the Chauncey experiment was a failure, but Jody won't fire him and eat the least three years of his contract. So, other teams that actually want to win, will snap up all the good coaches and we will continue to piss away the remaining productive years of the best player to ever wear a Portland Trail Blazer uniform. So sad. So pathetic.


Here is the point though, if Jody views him as someone the players are happy with why would she make a change?


Oh, I don't know. Winning? Not needlessly pissing away another season?

I get that the perception is Jody is a tightwad and ultimately she is required to sell the team and is trying to milk the cash cow that is Damian Lillard for as long as she can, but winning puts more butts in the seats, gets more games on national television and sells more merchandise. Making the playoffs generates more revenue and a team good enough to make the playoffs would likely fetch a higher selling price for the team than one that is a perennial doormat with a crap coach.
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Post#80 » by GEE » Sun Jun 4, 2023 3:21 pm

Oh well... looks like we may have just passed on a golden opportunity of getting ourselves an upgrade at HC. Extremely bad timing for all those quality coaches to become available. I have wanted and championed Udoka for several years now and think he's going to end up being one of the greats, and I would have attained his services if at all possible.

Monty would have been nice to, but how big of an upgrade to Chauncey remains to be seen, while the upgrade to Udoka I think is quite clear. Point being... Chauncey IMO has yet to have a full season, with a well-built and fully healthy roster. Still hard for me to tell if Chauncey will be good or bad. Tanking makes it even harder to evaluate him, but that should change immediately if... Cronin can do HIS job well.

My judgements right now are not on Chauncey... They are on Cronin! Cronin has all the tools he needs to reshape this team for the next RIP CITY evolution, and how good of a GM he is will be heavlily decided by what moves he makes this summer. His job is to complete this roster rebuild. If we continue to hedge, I consider that a fail.

Get Chauncey a finished roster, then we can evaluate just how good or bad Chauncey is as a HC.

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