Woj: Hart to Knicks

[JasonStern]

So we’ve traded for Reddish & Thybull, two players on expiring rookie deals who haven’t cracked rotations on their own teams, when we’re worried about the Lux tax and resigning Grant?

The Blazers bench has been horrific. Eubanks is legitimately our 6th best player and he was a g-league guy not that long ago. Our 1-4 are top 30 in minutes played for the entire league and the only reason why Nurkić isn't top 30 is because he is made of glass.

[BNM]

So we’ve traded for Reddish & Thybull, two players on expiring rookie deals who haven’t cracked rotations on their own teams, when we’re worried about the Lux tax and resigning Grant?

Last year Thybulle started 50 games for PHI prior to the Harden trade and averaged 25.5 MPG. He was also 2nd team All Defense in his 2nd and 3rd seasons in the league. Last year, he led the league in STL% and was 15th in BLK%.

After the Harden trade, PHI had an excess of guards and Thybulle lost his spot. He also averaged as many MPG his rookie year on a team that went 43-30 as Shaedon Sharpe is currently on a team that is 27-28.

I'm not saying Thybulle is the answer to any of the Blazers problems, but to say he hasn't cracked the rotation on his team is simply not true. He cracked the rotation on a damn good team in each of his first 3 seasons. He's young, cheap and we basically got him for free.

Neither Reddish nor Thybulle are as good as Josh Hart, but we were going to lose Josh anyway and losing assets without getting anything in return is never a good use of resources.

[JasonStern]

You guys are such downers. Thybull and Reddish are solid role players. It's not like the Nets were shopping Kevin Durant or something.

If anything, you should be mad that Cronin got fleeced on including Svi Mykhailiuk in the Thybull trade.

[BNM]

G - Damian Lillard / Gary Payton II
G - Anfernee Simons / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Royce O'Neil / Cam Reddish
F - Jerami Grant / Jabari Walker JR
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Drew Eubanks

Sorry to single you out, but you are a repeat offender and the most recent to list GPII as a point guard. I swear I've seen at least 100 times over the past week. Basically, after EVERY trade proposal on this board.

People, Gary Payton II is NOT a point guard. It's THE reason he wasn't able to stick with a team until he was 30 years old! Prior to Golden State, teams kept trying to use him as a PG. He is useless playing on the ball.

Steve Kerr realized GPII is a very valuable rotation piece when playing off the ball. Kerr gave the league the recipe for correctly using Payton. I can't believe we gave Payton that big contract only to try to use him in the role he'd failed at SIX times.

If GPII is our backup PG, we don't actually have a backup PG.

[BlazersBroncos]

What could we have offered that beat the KD deal?

Bridges is more valuable than Simons or Sharpe.
Cam is arguably near the same value as Simons (Similar limited 3pt guys, but one is tall).
We were hamstrung on picks available due to NO being a idiot.

[Jsun947]

Wtf minutes are all these guys supposed to get?

There’s essentially 84 mpg for all these guys combined

Sharpe
Little
Payton
Reddish
Thybulle
Winslow

And that’s assuming Johnson, Walker, Watford, and Brown play 0 minutes

[BNM]

Wtf minutes are all these guys supposed to get?

There’s essentially 84 mpg for all these guys combined

Sharpe
Little
Payton
Reddish
Thybulle
Winslow

And that’s assuming Johnson, Walker, Watford, and Brown play 0 minutes

We just lost a player who was averaging 33.4 MPG.

Winslow is injured and hasn't played December 21.

Sharpe is averaging 19.9 MPG. I suspect that may go up a little with Hart gone.

Payton is averaging 17.0 MPG. That may also go up a little.

The rest of Hart's 33.4 MPG will be divided between the two new guys. Not sure how they will be divided. It could be 30 MPG for one and 3 MPG for the other, or 20 and 13. It depends on how the new guys fit in with the rest of the roster. When Reddish was in the rotation in NY, he averaged 21.9 MPG and Tybulle was averaging 12.1 MPG in PHI (combined 34 MPG). It's not like we brought in a bunch of high minute players.

I actually like Tybulle better than Reddish, but there will be nights/matchups when Reddish's height is beneficial.

[Jsun947]

So 84 - 19 for Sharpe - 17 for Payton = 48 minutes now for Little+Reddish+Thybulle+Winslow

Genius level stuff here

[Jsun947]

Welp. There goes Payton for 5 2nds so I guess that opens up a little more minutes

[BNM]

So 84 - 19 for Sharpe - 17 for Payton = 48 minutes now for Little+Reddish+Thybulle+Winslow

Genius level stuff here

Winslow hasn't played a minute since 12/21. When he does play, he's more of a backup/small ball 4. Sort of a homeless, destitute man's Draymond Green who facilitates the offense, but often guards the other team's power forward.

Little averages 16.2 MPG. So, subtract 16 from 48 and you end up with 32 MPG for the two new guys - very close to Hart's 33 MPG I previously mentioned. The math is pretty straight forward. However, the minutes will go to whoever fits in best and will be matchup/opponent specific.

And then there are injuries. None of Winslow, GPII or Little are the paragon of health and availability. Winslow and Little seem to have one, or more, significant injury every year and Payton missed the first half of the season.

Are you really that worried about how the minutes are divided between the two new guys? We lost 33 MPG in trading Josh Hart. Do you really care how those 33 minutes are divided between the two new guys, because the last I checked, we already had Winslow and Little on the roster and no one seemed too concerned about their playing time when Josh Hart was gobbling up 33 MPG. Divide up Hart's MPG anyway you see fit between Reddish and Thybulle and non one else's role changes significantly.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a bump of 4 or 5 minutes in Sharpe's minutes, keep Payton about the same, give 26 MPG to Thybulle and spot minutes to Reddish when we need his length.

[Jsun947]

I said from the beginning that the Gary Payton signing was a bad use of resources.

Little and Winslow’s contract is fine for 16-20 mpg. It’s not fine if they don’t play. It’s also not fine to have three guys trying to develop at 16 minutes per game at the same positions when two of them are going to be a free agent. It would make no sense to retain all three of them unless they are near minimum contracts. We’re going to get less than 30 games to evaluate these guys

[bob2]

I said from the beginning that the Gary Payton signing was a bad use of resources.

Converting the MLE into 5 picks is pretty good in term of "resources management".
Of course, it won't help the team to win games now but it's a solid return on investment.

[Jsun947]

I said from the beginning that the Gary Payton signing was a bad use of resources.

Converting the MLE into 5 picks is pretty good in term of "resources management".
Of course, it won't help the team to win games now but it's a solid return on investment.

If by hardcapping us, leaving the team with zero flexibility, and not helping us win any games then sure, it was a tremendous use of resources because we fell ass backwards into 5 second round picks

[Moonbeam]

Hart came up big for the Knicks in his first game. While that’s good for Portland’s prospects of getting the Knicks’ first round pick this year, I still wish Hart was with the Blazers. I wanted to keep him more than anyone aside from Dame and maybe Sharpe.

[Norm2953]

Unlikely for Portland would have lost him in free agency assuming they have to pay Grant.

It's good they took care of him for the Knicks will likely finish in 6th place, assuming Brooklyn
drops after trading KD and Kyrie. Good guy to have around.

[Moonbeam]

Unlikely for Portland would have lost him in free agency assuming they have to pay Grant.

It's good they took care of him for the Knicks will likely finish in 6th place, assuming Brooklyn
drops after trading KD and Kyrie. Good guy to have around.

I'd rather have re-signed Hart than Grant. It seems Portland brass feels differently, but Hart is exactly the kind of guy to keep around relatively cheaply if the goal is to win. I like Jerami, but Hart was more impactful for wins and losses in my view.

[Norm2953]

Unlikely for Portland would have lost him in free agency assuming they have to pay Grant.

It's good they took care of him for the Knicks will likely finish in 6th place, assuming Brooklyn
drops after trading KD and Kyrie. Good guy to have around.

I'd rather have re-signed Hart than Grant. It seems Portland brass feels differently, but Hart is exactly the kind of guy to keep around relatively cheaply if the goal is to win. I like Jerami, but Hart was more impactful for wins and losses in my view.

I don't disagree with you for Grant has already turned down $112/4 and is eligible to sign a $170/4, making him
if Portland paid him, their equivalent of Tobias Harris.

I'd rather have two Josh Harts than one Jerami Grant

[Norm2953]

They really love the Nova boys in MSG with Brunson (40) and Josh(27) in his second game with the knicks

[DusterBuster]

Yeah, loving Hart really doing so good for the Knicks.

[JasonStern]

Completely understand that Hart was traded because of cap space ramifications. But a lot of that was self inflicted. It wasn't like he wasn't living up to his contract. Wish him great luck going forward.