Blazers Players: Comparison / Trade Value

[Wizenheimer]

Simons wants to win, but his skill set (or lack thereof) is a big factor in the Blazer's records the last few years.

He's a net-negative player when on the court. I don't see that changing much moving to another team.

it's deja vu with Simons and Blazer fans. The CJ argument all over again, and again, and again. CJ fans spent years yapping about how CJ would be an all-star on another team. How he's be an all-star if he could be the PG on another team. How he'd shine when he was not in Dame's shadow

well, CJ is on another team now and he's further away from being an all-star than he was as Dame's sidekick. Simple reason: CJ NEVER had all-star level talent. His skills weren't elite and his flaws were too large. And CJ is a better player than Simons, on both ends of the floor

there's only one answer to this debate: the Blazers having a GM who will do the same favor for Simons that Cronin did for CJ

[JasonStern]

Simons wants to win, but his skill set (or lack thereof) is a big factor in the Blazer's records the last few years.

He's a net-negative player when on the court. I don't see that changing much moving to another team.

it's deja vu with Simons and Blazer fans. The CJ argument all over again, and again, and again. CJ fans spent years yapping about how CJ would be an all-star on another team. How he's be an all-star if he could be the PG on another team. How he'd shine when he was not in Dame's shadow

well, CJ is on another team now and he's further away from being an all-star than he was as Dame's sidekick. Simple reason: CJ NEVER had all-star level talent. His skills weren't elite and his flaws were too large. And CJ is a better player than Simons, on both ends of the floor

there's only one answer to this debate: the Blazers having a GM who will do the same favor for Simons that Cronin did for CJ

You can crap on Simons all you want. But if he's as bad as you make him out to be, he's not going to return much. What team is going to give up this mythical value for him? And if all you can get is some dead salary and a late protected pick, what's the point in trading him?

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[Wizenheimer]

You can crap on Simons all you want.
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and you can gargle his balls as much as you want....is that what we're doing now?

[Walton1one]

Well, I do not think his return value is as high as most POR fans want to believe, at the end of the day, you trade him for what you can get, because the option is he leaves for nothing, The fact is he provides nothing of tangible benefit to this team, other making them a slightly better bottom feeder.

The good news is, he is still fairly young (25), his contract is not terrible $25/year, he has proven he is a productive offensive player, and if he can except a bench roll, which is where he is headed, on a good team, someone will give value for that. It may not be a lot, but it’s better than nothing.

[JRoy]

Simons wants to win, but his skill set (or lack thereof) is a big factor in the Blazer's records the last few years.

He's a net-negative player when on the court. I don't see that changing much moving to another team.

it's deja vu with Simons and Blazer fans. The CJ argument all over again, and again, and again. CJ fans spent years yapping about how CJ would be an all-star on another team. How he's be an all-star if he could be the PG on another team. How he'd shine when he was not in Dame's shadow

well, CJ is on another team now and he's further away from being an all-star than he was as Dame's sidekick. Simple reason: CJ NEVER had all-star level talent. His skills weren't elite and his flaws were too large. And CJ is a better player than Simons, on both ends of the floor

there's only one answer to this debate: the Blazers having a GM who will do the same favor for Simons that Cronin did for CJ

You can crap on Simons all you want. But if he's as bad as you make him out to be, he's not going to return much. What team is going to give up this mythical value for him? And if all you can get is some dead salary and a late protected pick, what's the point in trading him?

Watch on YouTube

Addition by subtraction.

[m0ng0]

You can crap on Simons all you want.
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and you can gargle his balls as much as you want....is that what we're doing now?

But but but but but his fDgrAc+ is 1.2 so so so so your st0000pid.

I just don't get you man.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

As fun as this middle school level discussion is, let's pretend to have at least a high school level of maturity again.

[m0ng0]

Are you talking about the gargle his balls comment or mine ?

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I mean I laughed at it but was hoping to softly steer things in a more productive direction...

[tester551]

Simons wants to win, but his skill set (or lack thereof) is a big factor in the Blazer's records the last few years.

He's a net-negative player when on the court. I don't see that changing much moving to another team.

it's deja vu with Simons and Blazer fans. The CJ argument all over again, and again, and again. CJ fans spent years yapping about how CJ would be an all-star on another team. How he's be an all-star if he could be the PG on another team. How he'd shine when he was not in Dame's shadow

well, CJ is on another team now and he's further away from being an all-star than he was as Dame's sidekick. Simple reason: CJ NEVER had all-star level talent. His skills weren't elite and his flaws were too large. And CJ is a better player than Simons, on both ends of the floor

there's only one answer to this debate: the Blazers having a GM who will do the same favor for Simons that Cronin did for CJ

You can crap on Simons all you want. But if he's as bad as you make him out to be, he's not going to return much. What team is going to give up this mythical value for him? And if all you can get is some dead salary and a late protected pick, what's the point in trading him?

Watch on YouTube

Thats the beautiful thing about basketball. Everyone has their own opinions. Portland only needs 1 other GM who values him to make a good trade

[JasonStern]

Addition by subtraction.

Which if Simons was a locker room cancer would make sense. Or if Scoot/Sharpe were ready for heavy NBA minutes. At this point, there's no guarantee both of them aren't busts or backup tier players. Rooting for both, but at this point they haven't proved anything.

Thats the beautiful thing about basketball. Everyone has their own opinions. Portland only needs 1 other GM who values him to make a good trade

Which might happen closer to the trade deadline. Some GM on the hot seat or some team thinking Simons might put them over the top. Again, low bar, but he's still the best player on this team.

And he has 2 years left on his contract. Freeing up $27M in cap space if he walks isn't worth nothing. Especially if the alternative is dead weight salary and a late 1st unlikely to pan out.

[JRoy]

Addition by subtraction.

Which if Simons was a locker room cancer would make sense. Or if Scoot/Sharpe were ready for heavy NBA minutes. At this point, there's no guarantee both of them aren't busts or backup tier players. Rooting for both, but at this point they haven't proved anything.

Thats the beautiful thing about basketball. Everyone has their own opinions. Portland only needs 1 other GM who values him to make a good trade

Which might happen closer to the trade deadline. Some GM on the hot seat or some team thinking Simons might put them over the top. Again, low bar, but he's still the best player on this team.

And he has 2 years left on his contract. Freeing up $27M in cap space if he walks isn't worth nothing. Especially if the alternative is dead weight salary and a late 1st unlikely to pan out.

Scoot has proven to be a disappointment, Sharpe is more promising but was hurt most of last year.

Simons has proven to be an offense only, bottom tier defensive player with no leadership skills.

He can’t play with either younger guard and needs to go. He has no future in POR.

Addition by subtraction.

[JasonStern]

Scoot has proven to be a disappointment, Sharpe is more promising but was hurt most of last year.

Simons has proven to be an offense only, bottom tier defensive player with no leadership skills.

He can’t play with either younger guard and needs to go. He has no future in POR.

Addition by subtraction.

I'm the biggest Sharpe fan on this forum. His floor, as I have repeatedly stated, is Darius Miles. At some point, you just come to terms that the Blazers have been so mismanaged that a championship is unlikely. Thus, watching hyper-athletic players make big plays is the joy you get. It's like if you were unfortunate enough to be a Beavers fan when the Ducks are drinking your milkshake.

And again, nobody has addressed my point that Simons at least makes the team watchable. His contract is only for 2 years. If he leaves, that's $27M in cap space freed. The fantasy of landing some high level prospect and multiple picks for him is great, but it's just that - a fantasy. This is a for profit business and sucking for several years is not profitable. Nobody is going to games to watch the Blazers get blown out unless they want to see LeBron play live, which only has so much novelty factor. And the odds of replacing him talent-wise with a late lotto pick are not as high as fans want to believe.

https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

I'm sure I'll get more ball sucking comments for pointing out reality. But that's what Olshey left Cronin with. Cronin legit comes off mid-tier. Can't really hate him because he took over a massively flawed roster, had trading picks restricted for Larry Nance Jr, had a disinterested ownership that was luxury tax evasive, etc. But he also didn't turn water into wine. His best move was not caving on Dame's "TRADE ME TO THE HEAT!" demand.

[JRoy]

Scoot has proven to be a disappointment, Sharpe is more promising but was hurt most of last year.

Simons has proven to be an offense only, bottom tier defensive player with no leadership skills.

He can’t play with either younger guard and needs to go. He has no future in POR.

Addition by subtraction.

I'm the biggest Sharpe fan on this forum. His floor, as I have repeatedly stated, is Darius Miles. At some point, you just come to terms that the Blazers have been so mismanaged that a championship is unlikely. Thus, watching hyper-athletic players make big plays is the joy you get. It's like if you were unfortunate enough to be a Beavers fan when the Ducks are drinking your milkshake.

And again, nobody has addressed my point that Simons at least makes the team watchable. His contract is only for 2 years. If he leaves, that's $27M in cap space freed. The fantasy of landing some high level prospect and multiple picks for him is great, but it's just that - a fantasy. This is a for profit business and sucking for several years is not profitable. Nobody is going to games to watch the Blazers get blown out unless they want to see LeBron play live, which only has so much novelty factor.

I'm sure I'll get more ball sucking comments for pointing out reality. But that's what Olshey left Cronin with. Cronin legit comes off mid-tier. Can't really hate him because he took over a massively flawed roster, had trading picks restricted for Larry Nance Jr, had a disinterested ownership that was luxury tax evasive, etc. But he also didn't turn water into wine. His best move was not caving on Dame's "TRADE ME TO THE HEAT!" demand.

I don’t think Simons makes the Blazers watchable. Watching him and Grant take turns isolating in a non-system and then watching him bleeding points the other way is unwatchable.

He needs to go.

I don’t touch the ball sucking comments.

[JasonStern]

I don’t think Simons makes the Blazers watchable. Watching him and Grant take turns isolating in a non-system and then watching him bleeding points the other way is unwatchable.

He needs to go.

I don’t touch the ball sucking comments.

Simons just needs to know his role. He would be a solid 6th man. But he can't carry an entire team. Nor should he or Grant be 1A/1B options. That's just where the roster is as currently constructed.

There's a funny clip from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back that has Jay ranting "YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SUCKS BALLS!" - but it was too profanity laced to post.

[JRoy]

I don’t think Simons makes the Blazers watchable. Watching him and Grant take turns isolating in a non-system and then watching him bleeding points the other way is unwatchable.

He needs to go.

I don’t touch the ball sucking comments.

Simons just needs to know his role. He would be a solid 6th man. But he can't carry an entire team. Nor should he or Grant be 1A/1B options. That's just where the roster is as currently constructed.

There's a funny clip from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back that has Jay ranting "YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SUCKS BALLS!" - but it was too profanity laced to post.

Great movie.

“Damn youse!”

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I don’t think Simons makes the Blazers watchable. Watching him and Grant take turns isolating in a non-system and then watching him bleeding points the other way is unwatchable.

Why do you think this is primarily an Ant problem and not primarily a Billups problem?

[JRoy]

I don’t think Simons makes the Blazers watchable. Watching him and Grant take turns isolating in a non-system and then watching him bleeding points the other way is unwatchable.

Why do you think this is primarily an Ant problem and not primarily a Billups problem?

Billups is an awful coach. He had no business being a head coach in this league.

That being said, no other coach has made Simons anything other than the net negative he is today.

Billups needs to go, but so does Simons.

[Walton1one]

I think the problem is both.

Billups is going to play Ant & Grant as much as he can, feed them the ball as much as he can because it is in his best interest to do so

Ant is who he is at this point, both he and Grant are soaking up over 40% of all shot attempts, mostly playing ISO ball, while the rest of the team stands around and watches, like the fans. Then you add his defensive insufficiencies on top of that, and it is not productive for this team

Simons is fine for what he is, I just think this team would be better if he was out-of-the-way, same with Grant.

[m0ng0]

I think the problem is both.

Billups is going to play Ant & Grant as much as he can, feed them the ball as much as he can because it is in his best interest to do

Hyperbole, you don't know sh*t