Portland - 2016 Offseason

[tester551]

Is a sign-and-trade involving Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka in the realm of possibilities? Might be the only way for them to add the starting SG they've been looking for. I think it's close in value and helps both teams out. Just a thought.

Possible -> Yes
Probable -> No. Crabbe by himself is nowhere near the value of Ibaka

[Goldbum]

Crabbe+Vonleh+Cleveland pick for Ibaka?

[Downtown]

Man, how great would that be to get Ibaka?

Serge Ibaka is having one of the quietest playoffs I've seen in a while. I hardly notice him out there and yet when I look at the box scores he's played around 30 minutes or more.

Whether it's a change in his role in Billy Donovan's system vs. Scott Brooks or whether it's to do with Adams and Kanter getting more involved, I don't know. But he isn't as dominant as he has been in the paint in the past and seems to want to step out further and attempt more outside shots.

The Serge Ibaka we've come to watch over the years would indeed be a great addition for Portland but there's something that I can't put my finger on that says he's a bit off this season.

But yeah, I'd still take him in a heartbeat.

[Blazer50]

Wks for me!

Ed Davis to Milwaukee for Greg Monroe
S&T Allen Crabbe - Cle '18 1st: To OKC for Serge Ibaka

Bucks Shed Monroe , get Cap Space and solid defender who allows them to move Henson;
OKC get SG/SF combo - good 3 & D and moves logjam out of front court with Kanter / Adams / Collison / KD etal.

Portland adds bigs for coveted RFA and Ed Davis - Phys Ed - who would not get minutes with Ibaka and Monroe. You can now play Monroe with Ibaka, Plumlee Or Meyers if you keep him as their will be another guy at the rim on D and Ibaka can alternate between the 4 and the 5 depending on who he is playing.

Serge is signed in 16-17 at $12,500,000 - close to the S&T money you pay for Crabbe and Monroe signed at 17 vs Ed at 6.6 so you use 10.5M of cap space overall. You still have room to pick up a backup PG or SF. Stott's system is build around his offense, and Monroe's numbers and skills fit very well. His D is criticized, but with Plumlee, Ibaka and even Leonard paired with him - the Blazers should push the needle into contention for years to oome. You still have cap room to retain Hendu if you choose - and can resign RFA - Harkless to pair with Aminu.

[B0naf1d3]

Is a sign-and-trade involving Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka in the realm of possibilities? Might be the only way for them to add the starting SG they've been looking for. I think it's close in value and helps both teams out. Just a thought.

Possible -> Yes
Probable -> No. Crabbe by himself is nowhere near the value of Ibaka

I think it may be closer than a lot of people think. Crabbe +Vonleh/CLE 1st is a good starting point since Ibaka has one year left on his deal, and they have Kanter locked up. Watching OKC it kinda seems like Ibaka may need a change of scenery, and if they want to get anything out of him now is the time. They need to address their SG woes and Crabbe would be penciled in as starter for at least the duration of his contract over there, great fit IMO.

[tester551]

Wks for me!

Ed Davis to Milwaukee for Greg Monroe
S&T Allen Crabbe - Cle '18 1st: To OKC for Serge Ibaka

Bucks Shed Monroe , get Cap Space and solid defender who allows them to move Henson;
OKC get SG/SF combo - good 3 & D and moves logjam out of front court with Kanter / Adams / Collison / KD etal.

Portland adds bigs for coveted RFA and Ed Davis - Phys Ed - who would not get minutes with Ibaka and Monroe. You can now play Monroe with Ibaka, Plumlee Or Meyers if you keep him as their will be another guy at the rim on D and Ibaka can alternate between the 4 and the 5 depending on who he is playing.

Serge is signed in 16-17 at $12,500,000 - close to the S&T money you pay for Crabbe and Monroe signed at 17 vs Ed at 6.6 so you use 10.5M of cap space overall. You still have room to pick up a backup PG or SF. Stott's system is build around his offense, and Monroe's numbers and skills fit very well. His D is criticized, but with Plumlee, Ibaka and even Leonard paired with him - the Blazers should push the needle into contention for years to oome. You still have cap room to retain Hendu if you choose - and can resign RFA - Harkless to pair with Aminu.

That's not a bad idea.... however, not convinced either Milwaukee or OKC would do that deal. I think this is a little too Blazer centered.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Sheesh, I mentioned Ibaka 7 pages back and didn't get much reaction. The difference 6 or 7 pages make.

[Norm2953]

I do think Portland if they pursue a big is going to go after a center for paying up to $80 Million
for three players is not going to make a playoff run if those 3 players are Dame, CJ and Ibaka.

[Blazinaway]

Crabbe+Vonleh+Cleveland pick for Ibaka?

keep in mind that anyone who trades for Ibaka this summer is getting a ONE YEAR rental - he becomes a UFA the following summer. So I think we have to be careful how much we'd be willing to give up. Sign and trade Crabbe no probem, but start adding too many extra pieces I don't know

[skoharry]

i have a couple trade proposals. tell me what you think.
we S & T crabbe, plumlee, and a 2nd round pick for horford
we trade mccollum, aminu, and plumlee for vucevic, oladipo, and nappier
we S & T crabbe, plumlee, and $ for okafor and mcconell

[Wizenheimer]

i have a couple trade proposals. tell me what you think.
we S & T crabbe, plumlee, and a 2nd round pick for horford

doesn't make a lot of sense. Horford is UFA and if he was willing to sign in Portland, Blazers would just sign him. No need to give up assets

we trade mccollum, aminu, and plumlee for vucevic, oladipo, and nappier

I think CJ probably has slightly more value then Oladipo; Vucevic may have more value then Plumlee but his defense is pretty weak. Aminu has a lot more value then Napier. This is too good a trade for Orlando. Olshey wouldn't touch this either

we S & T crabbe, plumlee, and $ for okafor and mcconell

good luck getting Crabbe to agree to a trade to Philly. Okafor is certainly bad at defense and frankly, I've arrived at the conclusion that downgrading defensive talent is the opposite direction of where Portland should go

[skoharry]

what do guys think about portland trying to get milsap, farried, or randle?
here are trades that could get us either 1
cj, plumlee, & a 2nd for randle, nance, & the #2
S & T crabbe, plumlee, & aminu for milsap, hardaway, & #21
cj, plumlee, & aminu for farried, harris, nurkic, & #7 or #15[whichever would equal out the value]

honestley i think milsap would be the best fit in stotts system playing with cj & dame. plus i think hardaway would fit too in a bench role. so lets say we do the milsap trade. this is what i would do after
resign harkless to be our starting SF
sign ian mahinmi, dewayne dedmon, or hassan whiteside to be our starting C
waive montero & sign frazier
sign jared dudley, ramon sessions, & john leure to fill out our bench. so our roster would look like this

PG - lillard/sessions/frazier
SG - mccollum/hardaway/connaughton
SF - harkless/dudley
PF - milsap/leure/vonleh/alexander
C - dedmon/davis
then #21 would be in there somewhere

i really like that roster

[Blazinaway]

The Bismack havin a great game rebounding and blocking shots tonight, I was looking as his playoff box scores and he is either a no show or seems to have a really good game, not much consistency

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The Bismack havin a great game rebounding and blocking shots tonight, I was looking as his playoff box scores and he is either a no show or seems to have a really good game, not much consistency

He's young, only 23 and was raw to the game when he came into the league. I've always wanted to get a hold of him, but I'm thinking that Toronto matches pretty much anything he will get offered this summer.

[Norm2953]

A team would need a ton of scorers throughout their lineup to justify offering Biyumbo a
large enough offer to not match. Toronto has to offer a max deal to keep Derozian.

[GreenRiddler]

Mentioned in the other thread, but its offseason stuff here so I'll say it again anyway. I wonder if the Bucks would like some cap relief given they have just paid Middleton and have even bigger contracts on the horizon in Giannis and Jabari. Plumlee (cheap) Pat and Cle's 1st rounder for Monroe would give them cap relief in a big way and even some decent pieces to have. They had a miserable year and Giannis and Parker are not fitting with Monroe who needs spacing on the court to be effective in a positive way.

Meanwhile we have spacing for days and desperately need a big who can score and be a threat out of screens to alleviate pressure on our top 2 gaurds. Also gets rid of the problem of having 2 backup centers on 1 team in Plumlee and Davis.We don't lose Plumlees passing either as Monroe had some really good passing seasons under his belt, he can hit the open man out of the PnR trap like Plumlee... and much much much more obviously.

[zzaj]

Mentioned in the other thread, but its offseason stuff here so I'll say it again anyway. I wonder if the Bucks would like some cap relief given they have just paid Middleton and have even bigger contracts on the horizon in Giannis and Jabari. Plumlee (cheap) Pat and Cle's 1st rounder for Monroe would give them cap relief in a big way and even some decent pieces to have. They had a miserable year and Giannis and Parker are not fitting with Monroe who needs spacing on the court to be effective in a positive way.

Meanwhile we have spacing for days and desperately need a big who can score and be a threat out of screens to alleviate pressure on our top 2 gaurds. Also gets rid of the problem of having 2 backup centers on 1 team in Plumlee and Davis.We don't lose Plumlees passing either as Monroe had some really good passing seasons under his belt, he can hit the open man out of the PnR trap like Plumlee... and much much much more obviously.

I wouldn't mind adding Monroe, but not at the cost of Plumlee. He'd have to come pretty cheap. I still think that Plumlee has some ceiling. FWIW, if we were to add him I'd want to have a big rotation + drafting Meyers' replacement. Davis is Portland's best position defender and adds a ton with his rebounding. I wouldn't want to lose that for the poor rebounder that is Monroe, either.

Something like:

Monroe
Plumlee
Davis
Hammons

[GreenRiddler]

Mentioned in the other thread, but its offseason stuff here so I'll say it again anyway. I wonder if the Bucks would like some cap relief given they have just paid Middleton and have even bigger contracts on the horizon in Giannis and Jabari. Plumlee (cheap) Pat and Cle's 1st rounder for Monroe would give them cap relief in a big way and even some decent pieces to have. They had a miserable year and Giannis and Parker are not fitting with Monroe who needs spacing on the court to be effective in a positive way.

Meanwhile we have spacing for days and desperately need a big who can score and be a threat out of screens to alleviate pressure on our top 2 gaurds. Also gets rid of the problem of having 2 backup centers on 1 team in Plumlee and Davis.We don't lose Plumlees passing either as Monroe had some really good passing seasons under his belt, he can hit the open man out of the PnR trap like Plumlee... and much much much more obviously.

I wouldn't mind adding Monroe, but not at the cost of Plumlee. He'd have to come pretty cheap. I still think that Plumlee has some ceiling. FWIW, if we were to add him I'd want to have a big rotation + drafting Meyers' replacement. Davis is Portland's best position defender and adds a ton with his rebounding. I wouldn't want to lose that for the poor rebounder that is Monroe, either.

Something like:

Monroe
Plumlee
Davis
Hammons

That wouldn't work, Monroe couldn't play with Drummond, I don't see him working with Plumlee/Davis. I think if we bring in a Center we need to let go of either Davis or Plumlee cause both are really just backups centers. I like Ed more cause of his offensive rebounding and he has shown he can be effective coming off the bench, not sure if Plums would.. I doubt we bring in a center and ask either Davis or Plumlee to play 3rd string or play both together, something Stotts has rarely done, for good reason.

[GreenRiddler]

this draft is projected to be mediocre, and there's a reasonable chance that the Blazers will do worse next season than this season.

Remember when the 14 draft was gonna be 2003 lite and the 2013 Draft was gonna be projected as one of the worst since 2000?

2013--Giannis, CJ, Gobert, Noel, Oladipo

2014--Wiggins, Jabari,Peyton, Lavine, Gordon(dunkers but look at there numbers)

I too don't feel a need to enter this draft, but you can't really project how a draft will turn out before it happens.

[GreenRiddler]

Not a fan of Ibaka, he just doesn't impact playoff games as much as I would like, add to the fact he is gonna be a UFA. I don't wanna trade assets for a guy that has no loyalty or sense of one to Portland just to see him walk. I actually would rather play vonleh and save the money maybe that is homerish but I believe in the guy.

I actually kinda hope Meyers' cheap and doesn't get deals, but his great size three point shooting maybe enough to bring on the bidders, I hope not, I feel like he has unfinished business here. It is gonna be interesting to see what they do, I won't be as disappointed as some to see him come back for even a rather large contract. I think he has more offensive potential than a lot of FA bigs we already are looking at. Although we need to get better at defense, we also need a PnR threat like him and his 3 point shooting would take pressure off Dame and CJ from having to be the go to shooters, we already need them to be shot creators. Not to mention he would create space for drives (which both could use a lot more of).

After Dame and CJ only Crabbe and Aminu shoot 36% or above from 3 on a decent volume. It is quite startling the amount of leverage those 2 hold on our team's 3 point shooting. That is a lot of pressure to put on those 2 to have great shooting nights. A bad year for either from 3 could be the difference of being a top 3 point shooting team or a bad one. Meyers shot 37.7%on the year and 40% after a bad starting month in November where he shot below 30% from 3. If we lose that 1 aspect I sure hope we replace it.