Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[BlazersBroncos]

I want nothing to do with Zion. Its Ben Simmons all over again but with food and strippers instead of video games and insta models.

What's wrong with any of those things? Personally, I'm a fan. And this offends me.

Good day.

Aint no problem with any of them if they dont impact your ability to not just work, but work a job that most people would kill for and make tens of millions in the process lol.

[Walton1one]

PHX just sent Okogie & (3) 2nd's [DEN 26 & 31, PHX 31) to CHA for Richards & DEN 25 pick

LY from 12/15 to end of January (1/31), there were a total of (4) trades before the trade deadline week:

12/30 - OG to NY
1/14 - Bagley to DET
1/17 - Siakam to IND
1/23 - Rozier to MIA

This year as of 1\15, there have now been (4) trades already with 2 weeks to go before 1/31. I think this narrative that there won't be a lot of trades, could be premature?

12/15 - Bryant to IND
12/15 - Schroeder to LAL
12/29 - DFS to LAL
1/15 - Richards to PHX

[zzaj]

PHX just sent Okogie & (3) 2nd's [DEN 26 & 31, PHX 31) to CHA for Richards & DEN 25 pick

LY from 12/15 to end of January (1/31), there were a total of (4) trades before the trade deadline week:

12/30 - OG to NY
1/14 - Bagley to DET
1/17 - Siakam to IND
1/23 - Rozier to MIA

This year as of 1\15, there have now been (4) trades already with 2 weeks to go before 1/31. I think this narrative that there won't be a lot of trades, could be premature?

12/15 - Bryant to IND
12/15 - Schroeder to LAL
12/29 - DFS to LAL
1/15 - Richards to PHX

Could be...but look at the difference in size of those trades though. IMHO GMs are going to be wary this year and have tight purse strings.

[HoopsFanAZ]

IN: Picks, short contracts, and younger players
OUT: Ant, Grant, Ayton, Time Lord, Thybulle.

That’s it. Clean house. Develop picks and youth. Next decision will be about Scoot.
No questions IMHO about Clingan, Camara, Avdija, Sharpe

Get this fixed. Sometimes a house that needs renovation means some addition by subtraction for what does not fit moving forward.

[Butter]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

[DaVoiceMaster]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

Yeah, what's up with that? Did we see an in-game injury?

[tester551]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

There are some rumors that Billups is losing the team.

I have to wonder if the 'vets' are quietly revolving. I think they are milking the injuries so that they don't have to play.

Grant - out 3 weeks with a 'face' injury
Thybulle - missing 1/2 the season with a ankle sprain
RW3 - tough to tell if he's milking it due to his history

[PDXKnight]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

There are some rumors that Billups is losing the team.

I have to wonder if the 'vets' are quietly revolving. I think they are milking the injuries so that they don't have to play.

Grant - out 3 weeks with a 'face' injury
Thybulle - missing 1/2 the season with a ankle sprain
RW3 - tough to tell if he's milking it due to his history

If this wasn't the Blazers mo for 3-5 years in a row it'd be a lot easier for me to blame the coach/ players dynamic but I'd suspect it's just once again blatant tanking

[DusterBuster]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

There are some rumors that Billups is losing the team.

I have to wonder if the 'vets' are quietly revolving. I think they are milking the injuries so that they don't have to play.

Grant - out 3 weeks with a 'face' injury
Thybulle - missing 1/2 the season with a ankle sprain
RW3 - tough to tell if he's milking it due to his history

Where are people hearing these rumors? I've heard this posted before but not sure where it's coming from...

[Butter]

Does Grant have a broken jaw? What's going on with his recovery time?

There are some rumors that Billups is losing the team.

I have to wonder if the 'vets' are quietly revolving. I think they are milking the injuries so that they don't have to play.

Grant - out 3 weeks with a 'face' injury
Thybulle - missing 1/2 the season with a ankle sprain
RW3 - tough to tell if he's milking it due to his history

If this wasn't the Blazers mo for 3-5 years in a row it'd be a lot easier for me to blame the coach/ players dynamic but I'd suspect it's just once again blatant tanking

Right? It kind of cracks me up when other fans say, "Grant has an injury history". Well, probably ought to factory in the tanking plan. No wonder Jerami doesn't want to leave Portland. He's work a fraction of the season for full time pay

[Tim Lehrbach]

IN: Picks, short contracts, and younger players
OUT: Ant, Grant, Ayton, Time Lord, Thybulle.

That’s it. Clean house. Develop picks and youth. Next decision will be about Scoot.
No questions IMHO about Clingan, Camara, Avdija, Sharpe

Get this fixed. Sometimes a house that needs renovation means some addition by subtraction for what does not fit moving forward.

We all agree, but the entire premise of this thread is that it's easier said than done. The only way to confirm a player has trade value -- and how much -- is an actual trade. So far, no action. But we all also fear that Cronin doesn't even want to trade these guys; it's frustratingly possible!

I would move 'em all for basically nothing but increased cap flexibility.

[BlazersBroncos]

With Ivey out I wonder if DET would buy cheap on Simons?

Simons for THJ + TOR 25 SRP + DET 27 SRP + MIL 29 SRP

The TOR SRP likely is between 31 - 36 which makes it a high value SRP. Then we get 2 more down the road and an EC that also provides spacing (Which is important for the growth of our youngsters IMO).

My other moves would be -

Grant for Kennard + Clarke + LaRavia + ATL 27 SRP + MEM 31 SRP (Kennard to a 3rd team into TPE or MLE)
Ayton for McCollum
Reath to a team like LAL for lower of 25 LAC/LAL SRP (Vet Min can be taken w/o anything outgoing by LAL)

G - Scoot Henderson / CJ McCollum / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Tim Hardaway JR / Matisse Thybulle
F - Toumari Camara / Jake LaRavia / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Brandon Clarke / Kris Murray
C - Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan / Brandon Clarke

I would hope to resign LaRavia using the MLE - I really like him and see him as potentially pushing Camara for that starting spot. Brings alot of Deni'lite vibes. We also end up w/ our own lotto pick in 25, a SRP in the 31-36 range and that LAL or LAC SRP likely in the mid 40's. One snag is Clarke has 2 years after this one and isnt a timeline fit but he plays hard and could be a tone setter in the same way as RWIII and MT (If he ever plays / is healthy).

[PDXKnight]

There are some rumors that Billups is losing the team.

I have to wonder if the 'vets' are quietly revolving. I think they are milking the injuries so that they don't have to play.

Grant - out 3 weeks with a 'face' injury
Thybulle - missing 1/2 the season with a ankle sprain
RW3 - tough to tell if he's milking it due to his history

If this wasn't the Blazers mo for 3-5 years in a row it'd be a lot easier for me to blame the coach/ players dynamic but I'd suspect it's just once again blatant tanking

Right? It kind of cracks me up when other fans say, "Grant has an injury history". Well, probably ought to factory in the tanking plan. No wonder Jerami doesn't want to leave Portland. He's work a fraction of the season for full time pay

Could you imagine making 32 mil to play half a season and no playoffs? Yes please on that deal. Hell I'll take a 1 year vet minimum deal and probably be set for life

[DaVoiceMaster]

IN: Picks, short contracts, and younger players
OUT: Ant, Grant, Ayton, Time Lord, Thybulle.

That’s it. Clean house. Develop picks and youth. Next decision will be about Scoot.
No questions IMHO about Clingan, Camara, Avdija, Sharpe

Get this fixed. Sometimes a house that needs renovation means some addition by subtraction for what does not fit moving forward.

We all agree, but the entire premise of this thread is that it's easier said than done. The only way to confirm a player has trade value -- and how much -- is an actual trade. So far, no action. But we all also fear that Cronin doesn't even want to trade these guys; it's frustratingly possible!

I would move 'em all for basically nothing but increased cap flexibility.

This times 1,000!!!

[PDXKnight]

IN: Picks, short contracts, and younger players
OUT: Ant, Grant, Ayton, Time Lord, Thybulle.

That’s it. Clean house. Develop picks and youth. Next decision will be about Scoot.
No questions IMHO about Clingan, Camara, Avdija, Sharpe

Get this fixed. Sometimes a house that needs renovation means some addition by subtraction for what does not fit moving forward.

We all agree, but the entire premise of this thread is that it's easier said than done. The only way to confirm a player has trade value -- and how much -- is an actual trade. So far, no action. But we all also fear that Cronin doesn't even want to trade these guys; it's frustratingly possible!

I would move 'em all for basically nothing but increased cap flexibility.

This times 1,000!!!

I think most of us would. Or even losing flexibility if another team adds capital to the deal

[Walton1one]

Evan Sidery - He did call the PHX\CHA deal recently

The Jazz and Kings have conducted exploratory trade talks centered on John Collins.

Sacramento can make salaries work while avoiding the tax by including Kevin Huerter and Trey Lyles.

Collins is averaging 17.9 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.5 assists while shooting 43.8% on threes.

Seems reasonable and would be one less suitor for Grant...

[Walton1one]

Some other interesting news:

https://www.netsdaily.com/2025/1/15/24344474/fischer-brooklyn-nets-dont-feel-they-have-to-trade-cam-johnson?_gl=1*1m0tmx9*_ga*MjA1NjI5ODYyLjE3MzM1OTMyNTc.*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTczNzA0NTQ0NS4xMTQuMS4xNzM3MDQ1NjMzLjM2LjAuMA..

Fischer, citing “word around the league,” said the Nets are not going to give Johnson away just to enhance losing to they can get a top pick. He described the Nets as wanting to keep their rebuild short and be “pragmatic and methodical” about it, not just focus on any single aspect of it...

“Brooklyn, I don’t think, plans to have a years-long rebuild,” said Fischer. “I think they’re going to be pragmatic and methodical about it like we talked about a little while ago. I think there is still value in keeping a Cam Johnson on your team both to potentially be someone will want to play with or he could be a blue chipper ... not blue-chipper but a main piece who’s going back in a trade for someone.

“I think they will move him if they get two firsts and stuff which is what the word around the league is their benchmark for him. So, if they can get something like that, I think they would do it, but if they don’t, I think if there’s just a good first round pick on the table, I don’t think they’re going to trade him. I think they’re going to be like ‘Wow, we can’t say no to this deal because of the future optionality that he still would bring.”

BRK showing how you re-tool. A ton of cap space, a ton of draft picks (4 in 25') and some players likeJohnson\Thomas\Claxton to add to that mix. Doesn't hurt that they are a FA destination (unlike POR).

Good news: This could take Johnson off the market

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2025/1/15/24344190/report-knicks-linked-to-wizards-center-jonas-valanciunas?_gl=1*1t97cws*_ga*MjA1NjI5ODYyLjE3MzM1OTMyNTc.*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTczNzA0NTQ0NS4xMTQuMS4xNzM3MDQ1NjkxLjYwLjAuMA..

The New York Knicks are reportedly considering a trade for Washington Wizards center Jonas Valančiūnas as uncertainty lingers around Mitchell Robinson’s recovery from ankle surgeries.

Valanciunas\Vucevic are the primary other options to RW3, will be interesting to see how the big man trade market all shakes out.

[PDXKnight]

Some other interesting news:

https://www.netsdaily.com/2025/1/15/24344474/fischer-brooklyn-nets-dont-feel-they-have-to-trade-cam-johnson?_gl=1*1m0tmx9*_ga*MjA1NjI5ODYyLjE3MzM1OTMyNTc.*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTczNzA0NTQ0NS4xMTQuMS4xNzM3MDQ1NjMzLjM2LjAuMA..

Fischer, citing “word around the league,” said the Nets are not going to give Johnson away just to enhance losing to they can get a top pick. He described the Nets as wanting to keep their rebuild short and be “pragmatic and methodical” about it, not just focus on any single aspect of it...

“Brooklyn, I don’t think, plans to have a years-long rebuild,” said Fischer. “I think they’re going to be pragmatic and methodical about it like we talked about a little while ago. I think there is still value in keeping a Cam Johnson on your team both to potentially be someone will want to play with or he could be a blue chipper ... not blue-chipper but a main piece who’s going back in a trade for someone.

“I think they will move him if they get two firsts and stuff which is what the word around the league is their benchmark for him. So, if they can get something like that, I think they would do it, but if they don’t, I think if there’s just a good first round pick on the table, I don’t think they’re going to trade him. I think they’re going to be like ‘Wow, we can’t say no to this deal because of the future optionality that he still would bring.”

BRK showing how you re-tool. A ton of cap space, a ton of draft picks (4 in 25') and some players likeJohnson\Thomas\Claxton to add to that mix. Doesn't hurt that they are a FA destination (unlike POR).

Good news: This could take Johnson off the market

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2025/1/15/24344190/report-knicks-linked-to-wizards-center-jonas-valanciunas?_gl=1*1t97cws*_ga*MjA1NjI5ODYyLjE3MzM1OTMyNTc.*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTczNzA0NTQ0NS4xMTQuMS4xNzM3MDQ1NjkxLjYwLjAuMA..

The New York Knicks are reportedly considering a trade for Washington Wizards center Jonas Valančiūnas as uncertainty lingers around Mitchell Robinson’s recovery from ankle surgeries.

Valanciunas\Vucevic are the primary other options to RW3, will be interesting to see how the big man trade market all shakes out.

Anyone who would give up 2 decent firsts for johnson should be fired on the spot

[tblazrdude]

yeah I like cam johnson but he's worth a first, not two. I feel for any team giving up two.

[Skybox]

What do you think POR?

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, 2 srps
POR sends: Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams

Consider that Cole has one more year at 13.1m, then another Team Option. He could easily be the third guard, or even start until Scoot takes the job. He has been inconsistent and ORL is obsessed with the idea of Suggs & KCP as a nasty, defense-first backcourt feeding off of the playmaking of Paolo and Franz. As a result, Cole has had a limited role this year until ORL was decimated with injuries. He's very capable of big moments and has all of the skills, just not as consistent as you'd like, to date. I think he's a tremendous candidate for a fresh start somewhere but I don't like $13m for a guy nearly out of the rotation as ORL's 3 big rookie extensions are kicking in soon. Cole is maybe the best teammate and personality in the league, even when he's struggled, he's always owned it and spoke freely and supported the guys in front of him. He's still young and healthy, a freak athlete, a great teammate. He'd provide more than enough of what Simons brings when he (?) transitions to the 3rd guard spot, behind Scoot/Sharpe.

Isaac is the most impactful defender in the league, from rim to perimeter. Watch a Magic game - when he is on the court, his impact is felt on every possession. His injury history is well-documented and he's been playing with a team-imposed minutes restriction for a couple of solid years now. He's a good trade target because he makes $25m this season, but then it drops to $15m next year and then 3 more years after that at $15m or less. There are also several "outs" at the team's discretion. IMO, that financial flexibility nullifies his injury concern. If he's healthy, even in limited minutes, $15m is a fantastic deal. ORL has so many defense-first guys and such limited offense outside of Paolo and Franz that I think Isaac's absence wouldn't be as terrible as it might be on another team. I know that Clingan is the future, but Isaac could play next to Ayton and basically "complete him". If you just can't get past the injury history, consider that you'd be sending out Time Lord in the deal, who is a more limited role player with similar concerns.

POR saves significant money (12.5 next year), possibly establishes a significant defensive identity overnight, and gets a couple srps for their trouble.