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Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived

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Post#681 » by cucad8 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:39 pm

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cucad8 wrote:Idea I threw out elsewhere:

Turner and a couple of 2nds to Sacramento for Koufos

couple of 2nds was the cost for moving extra Mozgov year of similar money, so going off of that similar price point. Sacramento is under the salary floor this season, so the additional salary they take on THIS season, they would have been paying out anyways. They have no need for Koufos, with their glut of bigs.
We add a decent backup 5, and also get out of the LT


what was DH's salary this season? I can't find it but I think about 24M

on one hand, there was a 1-year/24M exchange for 2-years/33m exchange

in the Turner case it would be a 1-year/ 8.7M exchange for a 2-year/36.5M exchange. Even with the salary floor factor those two scenarios seem way out of balance.

I'd also think that if the Kings were going to sell their cap-space based upon the floor, they may be able to do quite a bit better than that as the deadline approaches.


Howard was 23.5, and reportedly gave up 5 million in his buyout. So ~18.5 for 33.
Factoring in the need to hit the floor(not need, but, they're paying it anyways) changes the equation for Sacramento, in this deal. Koufos is at 8.7, but at 10 below the floor, it can be 18.7.Turner makes about 9 more than Koufos, so they still owe 1 million to hit the floor, but they pay 18.7 this year regardless. So it's not entirely accurate to say 8.7-36.5. It's 18.7-36.5.
So 18.5-33 vs. 18.7-36.5.
It's a little more in our favor $$ wise than the Brooklyn-Charlotte deal. Not off by a ton, maybe $$ going back helps a bit. I wouldn't say it's way out of balance, though.

As for the deadline, it's a possibility, sure.
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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#682 » by acidfrehley » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:31 pm

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acidfrehley wrote:After all we saw this offseason its clear to me that this season is all about setting up for the next one.

Olshey clearly realized that Turner and Meyers contracts need to be traded. So he made the most to make them look good this season. Our second unit is Turner surrounded by shooters. I really believe that the plan could work well and make ET having a ton of assists. It could also sell Meyers as a solid stretch big. And then we could possibly move the two of them by the next draft.


I guess the question I have is trade Turner & Meyers for what?

they aren't going to be traded for better players; and they are very likely not going to be traded for significantly less returning salary. Some people seem to think there's some magic threshold crossed when they become expiring contracts, but expiring contracts don't have the value they used to have and the truth is, they never had that much value to start with, not if the goal is to clear salary or make a better team
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Players like Plumlee & Mozgov have been traded several times, it seems, but it has always been for either another equally bad player, or a little better player with a worse contract. Neither one of those outcomes helps Portland

I'm guessing nothing will change. Playing more of Turner and Meyers isn't going to elevate their value. The NBA knows what they are. And it isn't going to help Portland win games, not when the result is Meyers playing and Davis leaving. Just the opposite. And in order to get any significant salary relief or talent upgrade, Portland will still have to attach positive assets in order to move either of them.


Thats the logical outcome. But my bet is that they're not aiming to gauge assets with those two. Just the fact of getting rid of them without swallowing contracts that will hurt us down the stretch could be considered succesfull.

It's certainly not looking like a pretty season we're heading. But if for some sort of miracle our second unit starts raining 3's with ET as a facilitator it could be fun.

I know that his contract (ET) is god awful, but I really think that he could be a solid 6th man on a contender.
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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#683 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:01 pm

With Tobias passing up 20M per season, if LAC is struggling and don't see him in their long term plans what about Tobias Harris for Aminu, Swanigan and 2019 Lotto Protected FRP? I think he would make this team notably better.
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Post#684 » by Dame Lizard » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:35 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:With Tobias passing up 20M per season, if LAC is struggling and don't see him in their long term plans what about Tobias Harris for Aminu, Swanigan and 2019 Lotto Protected FRP? I think he would make this team notably better.
If Tobias wants (likely quite a lot) more than 4/80 to the extent he'll risk injuries this year etc by turning down that offer now, I'll easily pass on him.
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Post#685 » by Myth » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:26 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:With Tobias passing up 20M per season, if LAC is struggling and don't see him in their long term plans what about Tobias Harris for Aminu, Swanigan and 2019 Lotto Protected FRP? I think he would make this team notably better.
If Tobias wants (likely quite a lot) more than 4/80 to the extent he'll risk injuries this year etc by turning down that offer now, I'll easily pass on him.

Why give up so much for a guy who desperately wants overpaid?
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Post#686 » by JasonStern » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:42 pm

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Post#687 » by rickrolled » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 pm

Guess I'll post this here as I couldn't find a trade Thread.

How much does Zach Collins cost if Boston was interested? Or how much would you ask if you're Olshey?
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Post#688 » by d-train » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:17 pm

rickrolled wrote:Guess I'll post this here as I couldn't find a trade Thread.

How much does Zach Collins cost if Boston was interested? Or how much would you ask if you're Olshey?

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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#689 » by rickrolled » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:35 pm

d-train wrote:
rickrolled wrote:Guess I'll post this here as I couldn't find a trade Thread.

How much does Zach Collins cost if Boston was interested? Or how much would you ask if you're Olshey?

Jayson Tatum

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Post#690 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:56 pm

rickrolled wrote:Guess I'll post this here as I couldn't find a trade Thread.

How much does Zach Collins cost if Boston was interested? Or how much would you ask if you're Olshey?


Olshey rates "his guys" way higher than any realistic market would; Collins is one of his guys and all indications are that Olshey is really high on him

I don't see a meeting point. Boston has players with much more value, and they have some with less value. Rozier is probably the closest in value but I can't see Portland having any interest in him. On the other hand, that 2019 Kings' 1st looks attractive
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Post#691 » by Matt800 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:06 am

Anyone listen to CJ's podcast with Durant? I thought the part where KD jokes about POR not being close to winning a championship was pretty funny. He seems like he understands winning better than CJ. For example, KD saying he would take a 6th man role if it made his team better. But CJ was hesitant to say he would be willing to do that. And CJ was saying he wanted Cousins and Nurk but KD was trying to explain the problems with too many redundant skills on a roster.

But I like how CJ is using his podcast to network and he's promoting POR at least to some degree for future free agents.
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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#692 » by wco81 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:04 am

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Post#693 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:16 am

Matt800 wrote:Anyone listen to CJ's podcast with Durant? I thought the part where KD jokes about POR not being close to winning a championship was pretty funny. He seems like he understands winning better than CJ. For example, KD saying he would take a 6th man role if it made his team better. But CJ was hesitant to say he would be willing to do that. And CJ was saying he wanted Cousins and Nurk but KD was trying to explain the problems with too many redundant skills on a roster.

But I like how CJ is using his podcast to network and he's promoting POR at least to some degree for future free agents.


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more here including a link to the podcast:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-kevin-durant-clowns-cj-mccollum-on-his-own-podcast-you-guys-arent-going-to-win-a-championship/

if CJ really thinks Portland was "close" last season..."right there"..."slightly below 1 & 2"..."we can win the championship"....boy, that's delusional

the podcast seems pretty good-natured...CJ just says some loony things
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Post#694 » by The Sebastian Express » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:07 am

Every time I want to trade CJ he goes out and does some things like destroys an **** on twitter.
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Post#695 » by zzaj » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:28 am

Personally, I WANT McCollum to think that the Blazers can win a championship. It's Olshey thinking that they can win a ring that I'm worried about.
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Post#696 » by wco81 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:50 am

CJ and Dame wanted to recruit Melo last year before OKC made the trade.

This year apparently CJ thought Portland could sign Cousins.

CJ is bright and articulate, wants to be in the media after he retires. But seems like he could learn something about roster construction.

He graduated from a school with a very well-regarded engineering program but it seems like he's not into advanced stats or analytics?
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Post#697 » by d-train » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:15 am

rickrolled wrote:
d-train wrote:
rickrolled wrote:Guess I'll post this here as I couldn't find a trade Thread.

How much does Zach Collins cost if Boston was interested? Or how much would you ask if you're Olshey?

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Post#698 » by Matt800 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:15 am

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if CJ really thinks Portland was "close" last season..."right there"..."slightly below 1 & 2"..."we can win the championship"....boy, that's delusional

the podcast seems pretty good-natured...CJ just says some loony things


I think part of it is him managing the business side to basketball where maybe he isn't supposed to talk negatively about his team. He gave accurate facts of being the 3rd seed, and kept saying 'anything is possible.' He may have a realistic view of the situation and is just speaking in a way that highlights the positives and not the negatives. He also was pretty smooth about saying he wanted Cousins but also Nurk. Which seems like an easy decision to take Cousins if he wants to come to POR for cheap, but then again, for a 1-year rental it might also be more trouble than it's worth.

Where I'm not so sure about CJ is when he has too much pride to think about the hypothetical of being a 6th man on a championship team, or when he talks up guys like Melo. He was saying Melo in Houston might be looking a lot better than Melo has looked in a while. Maybe he is right, but Melo hasn't shown much in a while.
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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#699 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:55 pm

Matt800 wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
if CJ really thinks Portland was "close" last season..."right there"..."slightly below 1 & 2"..."we can win the championship"....boy, that's delusional

the podcast seems pretty good-natured...CJ just says some loony things


I think part of it is him managing the business side to basketball where maybe he isn't supposed to talk negatively about his team. He gave accurate facts of being the 3rd seed, and kept saying 'anything is possible.' He may have a realistic view of the situation and is just speaking in a way that highlights the positives and not the negatives. He also was pretty smooth about saying he wanted Cousins but also Nurk. Which seems like an easy decision to take Cousins if he wants to come to POR for cheap, but then again, for a 1-year rental it might also be more trouble than it's worth.

Where I'm not so sure about CJ is when he has too much pride to think about the hypothetical of being a 6th man on a championship team, or when he talks up guys like Melo. He was saying Melo in Houston might be looking a lot better than Melo has looked in a while. Maybe he is right, but Melo hasn't shown much in a while.


but, there's a giant disconnect on the Cousins-to-Portland notion, that being that it never had a chance and sure looks like it was just typical Olshey deflection, at best, and nothing that was even tried at worst.....

the news came out early on July 2 that Portland was going to sign Curry. It doesn't matter if Portland was going to use the tax-MLE or the BAE to sign Curry, Portland could not receive a player in a S&T after using either exception. Cousins would have had to been traded for before Curry, using all the MLE, then Portland would have had to use the BAE on Curry; then they would have been hard-capped for the year. Not only that, Trent would have had to have been signed before Curry...IIRC Portland could not have signed him once hard-capped...oh...and Stauskas would have had to have been signed before Curry too. And, I'm not sure, but being hard-capped may have somehow monkey-wrenched the Nurkic re-signing. The timing would have been critical with the Curry signing coming last. It's probably all doable but that's a lot of balls in the air with Portland ending up hard-capped by now...ouch

so then, if the Blazers actually made an honest effort at Cousins, which I doubt because of all the reasons above, Cousins would have had to reject the offer immediately....on July 1, which means that all of CJ's angst about Cousins is way off base. Portland never had a chance to get Cousins in a S&T and CJ was buying the Olshey spin...not a good idea

my hunch is that Olshey made as much effort to land Cousins as he did to use the TPE or to trade for Kevin Love...which is pretty close to zero effort while spinning out a lot of smoke about those efforts. "See Dame...I'm really trying!"
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Re: Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived 

Post#700 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:57 pm

d-train wrote:
rickrolled wrote:
d-train wrote:Jayson Tatum

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why are you trying to chase somebody else out of the forum? He hasn't posted anything crazy...just asked a question about Collins. You're the one that went crazy when suggesting that Collins and Tatum had equal value

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