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Re: 2024 NBA Draft (euro season, college season, scouting, prospects etc) 

Post#741 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:20 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:Interesting take from Lowe Post who had draft expert Jonathan Givony (and close friend of Blazers GM Mike Schmitz), he said from what he's seen, the comp he's made all year for Zach Edey is... imagine is Jonas Valančiūnas was 7'5". Said he's far and away the best screener in the draft and will be a magnet for fouls.

For all the Edey slander, Givony probably went on the longest 5min praise session of him I've heard all year. Says he's gonna be a pain in the ass for other teams to play against and his attitude is "I just want to hit people, that's what I like to do". Could really make you wonder that if the Blazers are prioritizing size... could the talk of Edey at 7 be real if they don't think he'll slide to 14? I know this board (and NBA internet / twitter as a whole) would absolutely lose it's collective s*** if the Blazers do that... but in this draft, maybe the Blazers just do it considering his unique size. He also said the Boban comps are not accurate, Edey is much more fluid and skilled, and Givony followed Boban very closely at 24/25yo.


I obviously would prefer to get Edey later than 7 but, after some thinking, I am now OK with that.

He loves the game, has insane conditioning for his size, wants to hit you and will be a tone setter for a decade. His hands are elite, he is an iron man to a absurd extent for someone his size. He has only been playing basketball for 6 years.

Ideally you find a way to get both Matas (Or Holland, etc but I REALLY want Matas) and Edey. Trade whomever of the vets you need to make it work.


If he can be like a taller Steven Adams type enforcer, I'll take that. If he's a great screener, it can help Scoot a lot too.

I've fallen into hoping that the Blazers come out of this draft with Salaun and Edey. Two of the most physical guys in this draft. Don't really care where they draft them at or what they have to do to get them. I would also be ok with Knecht in place of Salaun as a backup selection based on his mentality and NBA ready skills.
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Post#742 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:26 pm

Much of this draft's outcomes for me are somewhat reliant on what plans the Blazers have for Brogdon and Simons. If the plan is to trade those players, that really changes things.

The player I'm currently (finally) looking at is Reed Sheppard...and holey moley. Sheppard would help the Blazers immediately, and very likely would make Scoot expendable. He's going to be one of the best shooters in the NBA from day 1. He has a very highly evolved defensive sense too, despite meh size and measurables. Incredible what he accomplished with such a low USG.

If San Antonio drafts Sheppard, that is going to be insane.
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Post#743 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:29 pm

zzaj wrote:Much of this draft's outcomes for me are somewhat reliant on what plans the Blazers have for Brogdon and Simons. If the plan is to trade those players, that really changes things.

The player I'm currently (finally) looking at is Reed Sheppard...and holey moley. Sheppard would help the Blazers immediately, and very likely would make Scoot expendable. He's going to be one of the best shooters in the NBA from day 1. He has a very highly evolved defensive sense too, despite meh size and measurables. Incredible what he accomplished with such a low USG.

If San Antonio drafts Sheppard, that is going to be insane.


I dont see Reed getting past HOU, and if he does I dont see him getting past SAS at 4.
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Post#744 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:33 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
zzaj wrote:Much of this draft's outcomes for me are somewhat reliant on what plans the Blazers have for Brogdon and Simons. If the plan is to trade those players, that really changes things.

The player I'm currently (finally) looking at is Reed Sheppard...and holey moley. Sheppard would help the Blazers immediately, and very likely would make Scoot expendable. He's going to be one of the best shooters in the NBA from day 1. He has a very highly evolved defensive sense too, despite meh size and measurables. Incredible what he accomplished with such a low USG.

If San Antonio drafts Sheppard, that is going to be insane.


I dont see Reed getting past HOU, and if he does I dont see him getting past SAS at 4.


Yeah, I don't think there is any way he falls to 7. He's going to be a good one...I would bet that SA pivoted away from Topic, for Sheppard.

The good news (I guess?) is that Sheppard and Castle are very likely to be picked ahead of the Blazers...so that gives the Blazers their some choice in wing prospects.
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Post#745 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:40 pm

Apparently ATL flew Matas out last night - wouldnt be shocked if he went #1. Best talent in the draft IMO.
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Post#746 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:40 pm

Just used ESPN's draft simulator (based on percentages and ended up with:
#7 - Clingan
#14 - Da Silva
#34 - Shannon
#40 - Mitchell

I'd be pretty happy with that. A Center, a SF/PF, a SG, and a PG. lol...
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Post#747 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:52 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Apparently ATL flew Matas out last night - wouldnt be shocked if he went #1. Best talent in the draft IMO.


I love that everyone has differing opinions on these guys. :D

Speaking of...I just got done watching that video of Flagg pretty much dominating Matas in that Brickley workout, despite being 2 years younger.
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Post#748 » by Pattycakes » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:58 pm

zzaj wrote:Just used ESPN's draft simulator (based on percentages and ended up with:
#7 - Clingan
#14 - Da Silva
#34 - Shannon
#40 - Mitchell

I'd be pretty happy with that. A Center, a SF/PF, a SG, and a PG. lol...


I def think we trade up to 3 and take Clingan there. Otherwise looks good

Also for the record, I’m sorry but DA at 4 and DC at 5 is an absolute nightmare for any nba opponent when DA is able to become Amare lite in this role he’s actually meant for. So if it happens that way, beautiful.
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Post#749 » by Case2012 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:10 pm

I'm just in love with the idea of trading all our vets that could help teams win now to let the young guys get all the minutes. I'm so over this vulcan bs of straddling the fence between winning now and rebuilding. They showed their true colors when they traded Dame, now they should embrace the youth movement and go full Danny Ainge/Sam Presti tp get as many picks as possible while developing our young talent. We had to watch this blatant tanking for years to get these guys, now I want to watch them play. Plus it gives you an idea of what you might have sooner than later.

Trade Matisse, Brogdon, Grant, Williams, Ant, and Ayton. Get all the picks. OKC looks like they're set for years, that's how we should be modeling our rebuild, period.

I just want Edey starting next year playing 30+ minutes. Knecht, Castle, Buzalis look like they won't be there at 14 so i would try to move whoever we can to secure one of those in that order.

Da Silva, Tyler Smith, Nikola Djuric, Dillon Jones, Ryan Dunn are a group of guys I would like to take at least one of in addition to Edey and Knecht, either by moving up or taking in the second round.

Scoot/Banton
Shaedon/Rupert
Knecht/Murray
Camara/Djursic
Edey/Reath

It'll probably end up

Scoot/Ant
Ant/Matisse
Shaedon/Rupert
Grant/Camara/Murray/Walker/Salaun
Ayton/Clingan/Reath

With Brogdon traded for a future first from Houston plus salary. The seconds will probably be kicked down the road or used on draft and stash guys.
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Post#750 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:44 pm

Case2012 wrote:I'm just in love with the idea of trading all our vets that could help teams win now to let the young guys get all the minutes. I'm so over this vulcan bs of straddling the fence between winning now and rebuilding. They showed their true colors when they traded Dame, now they should embrace the youth movement and go full Danny Ainge/Sam Presti tp get as many picks as possible while developing our young talent. We had to watch this blatant tanking for years to get these guys, now I want to watch them play. Plus it gives you an idea of what you might have sooner than later.

Trade Matisse, Brogdon, Grant, Williams, Ant, and Ayton. Get all the picks. OKC looks like they're set for years, that's how we should be modeling our rebuild, period.

I just want Edey starting next year playing 30+ minutes. Knecht, Castle, Buzalis look like they won't be there at 14 so i would try to move whoever we can to secure one of those in that order.

Da Silva, Tyler Smith, Nikola Djuric, Dillon Jones, Ryan Dunn are a group of guys I would like to take at least one of in addition to Edey and Knecht, either by moving up or taking in the second round.

Scoot/Banton
Shaedon/Rupert
Knecht/Murray
Camara/Djursic
Edey/Reath

It'll probably end up

Scoot/Ant
Ant/Matisse
Shaedon/Rupert
Grant/Camara/Murray/Walker/Salaun
Ayton/Clingan/Reath

With Brogdon traded for a future first from Houston plus salary. The seconds will probably be kicked down the road or used on draft and stash guys.


I can’t agree with this more. That’s exactly what I want, but I just know the nut kick we’re in for is the second roster lineup you posted (or something close to it)
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Post#751 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:18 pm

Some Portland notes from Yahoo's Jake Fisher

The Spurs currently hold the fourth selection in addition to the No. 8 pick, and San Antonio was able to book Clingan for a Zoom meeting this past weekend, sources said. With both Portland and Memphis known to hold interest in trading up and acquiring Clingan, according to league personnel, there’s no shortage of NBA figures who believe this late San Antonio interest in Clingan could simply be a ruse with the goal of enticing another front office to move up and land the UConn center. The Spurs originally focused on pinning Victor Wembanyama next to a strong-shooting center, such as Zach Collins, and Clingan, for all his strengths on defense, is not exactly a proven commodity from distance.


https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-draft-uncertainty-is-the-theme-for-1st-round-prospects-even-those-at-the-top-225531497.html

A few other Portland mentions in there, but all others just about players who've worked out for the Blazers in a list of other teams.
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Post#752 » by Case2012 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:42 pm

Zach Collins was my absolute worst nightmare pick back in 2017 and so many people on this board were high on him and i'm seeing a lot of the same sentiment about Clingan, so I'm terrified we move up to take him the way we did with Collins. Missing OG and Bam, Mitchell etc. It's like history is repeating itself, and I'm stuck in this endless loop of Vulcan stupidity. Edey is a generational big man, don't overthink it, just take him at 7 ffs, please I'M BEGGING!!!
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Post#753 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:46 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Some Portland notes from Yahoo's Jake Fisher

The Spurs currently hold the fourth selection in addition to the No. 8 pick, and San Antonio was able to book Clingan for a Zoom meeting this past weekend, sources said. With both Portland and Memphis known to hold interest in trading up and acquiring Clingan, according to league personnel, there’s no shortage of NBA figures who believe this late San Antonio interest in Clingan could simply be a ruse with the goal of enticing another front office to move up and land the UConn center. The Spurs originally focused on pinning Victor Wembanyama next to a strong-shooting center, such as Zach Collins, and Clingan, for all his strengths on defense, is not exactly a proven commodity from distance.


https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-draft-uncertainty-is-the-theme-for-1st-round-prospects-even-those-at-the-top-225531497.html

A few other Portland mentions in there, but all others just about players who've worked out for the Blazers in a list of other teams.


Cronin just needs to chill and let the chips fall where they may. They are in the perfect position to draft BPA at #7. Don't sell the farm on the top of this 1st round.
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Post#754 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:57 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Apparently ATL flew Matas out last night - wouldnt be shocked if he went #1. Best talent in the draft IMO.



If Atl flew Matas out IMO its likely they trade down, gonna be really interesting
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Post#755 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:58 pm

Are they going to do anything but just draft whoever falls to them?
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Post#756 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:11 am

zzaj wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Some Portland notes from Yahoo's Jake Fisher

The Spurs currently hold the fourth selection in addition to the No. 8 pick, and San Antonio was able to book Clingan for a Zoom meeting this past weekend, sources said. With both Portland and Memphis known to hold interest in trading up and acquiring Clingan, according to league personnel, there’s no shortage of NBA figures who believe this late San Antonio interest in Clingan could simply be a ruse with the goal of enticing another front office to move up and land the UConn center. The Spurs originally focused on pinning Victor Wembanyama next to a strong-shooting center, such as Zach Collins, and Clingan, for all his strengths on defense, is not exactly a proven commodity from distance.


https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-draft-uncertainty-is-the-theme-for-1st-round-prospects-even-those-at-the-top-225531497.html

A few other Portland mentions in there, but all others just about players who've worked out for the Blazers in a list of other teams.


Cronin just needs to chill and let the chips fall where they may. They are in the perfect position to draft BPA at #7. Don't sell the farm on the top of this 1st round.


I prefer this as well. In a draft like this, I'd rather have more swings than less because I think in a draft like this, the best player out of the draft could literally be anywhere on the board. It wouldn't surprise me if Pick 30 ends up being a better player than Pick 1, so give me more bites at the apple than one bite that you hope will be the best but could be rotten and mushy.
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Post#757 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:15 am

Norm2953 wrote:Are they going to do anything but just draft whoever falls to them?


It wouldn't surprise me, but I really hope they're more active than that and find deals for any or all of Brogdon, Grant, Simons and TRob.

But after so many draft days where the Blazers just sit on their hands and make picks, I have no reason to believe tomorrow and (Thursday) will be any different. I'm sure there will be a smattering of 2nd round trades and card shuffling, but don't really expect much else.
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Post#758 » by Butter » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:24 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:Apparently ATL flew Matas out last night - wouldnt be shocked if he went #1. Best talent in the draft IMO.


All I hear is skinny Darko Miličić.
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Post#759 » by Butter » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:27 am

DusterBuster wrote:Interesting take from Lowe Post who had draft expert Jonathan Givony (and close friend of Blazers GM Mike Schmitz), he said from what he's seen, the comp he's made all year for Zach Edey is... imagine is Jonas Valančiūnas was 7'5". Said he's far and away the best screener in the draft and will be a magnet for fouls.

For all the Edey slander, Givony probably went on the longest 5min praise session of him I've heard all year. Says he's gonna be a pain in the ass for other teams to play against and his attitude is "I just want to hit people, that's what I like to do". Could really make you wonder that if the Blazers are prioritizing size... could the talk of Edey at 7 be real if they don't think he'll slide to 14? I know this board (and NBA internet / twitter as a whole) would absolutely lose it's collective s*** if the Blazers do that... but in this draft, maybe the Blazers just do it considering his unique size. He also said the Boban comps are not accurate, Edey is much more fluid and skilled, and Givony followed Boban very closely at 24/25yo.


If the Blazers REALLY want Edey, fine. I'd much rather see them package up a 2nd and #14 to move up. Taking him at #7 just isn't good value IMHO.
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Post#760 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:34 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Are they going to do anything but just draft whoever falls to them?


It wouldn't surprise me, but I really hope they're more active than that and find deals for any or all of Brogdon, Grant, Simons and TRob.

But after so many draft days where the Blazers just sit on their hands and make picks, I have no reason to believe tomorrow and (Thursday) will be any different. I'm sure there will be a smattering of 2nd round trades and card shuffling, but don't really expect much else.


Let's say the Blazers pulled off a draft day trade with Jerami Grant involving a 2024 pick.

Would they have to wait until that pick is made before it's a completed trade?

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