2023 NBA Draft (tonight's discussion on pg 58)

[soobias]

it's gonna sound really crazy but if possible what IF we did .....

trade DAME for #2 + expiring fillers
trade ANT for#11
trade NURK for expiring somewhere


draft scoot at 2
draft miller at 3
sign woods
sign 1-2 pro vets to help mold the team


scoot
sharpe
miller
#11
woods

bench
a real pg
thybulle
little
winslow
walker
keon
eubanks
vet
vet

[DusterBuster]

it's gonna sound really crazy but if possible what IF we did .....

trade DAME for #2 + expiring fillers
trade ANT for#11
trade NURK for expiring somewhere


draft scoot at 2
draft miller at 3
sign woods
sign 1-2 pro vets to help mold the team


scoot
sharpe
miller
#11
woods

bench
a real pg
thybulle
little
winslow
walker
keon
eubanks
vet
vet

At first thought, it doesn’t make sense why Charlotte would want Dame with Ball, but I actually think Dame and Ball would fit well together when Ball is healthy. Dame can play off-ball, Ball can play defense against SGs.

That said, I still don’t think Charlotte would make a deal for Dame, nor would the Blazers trade Dame to Charlotte. If they move Dame, it’s going to be somewhere he wants to go.

I like the idea of part of the MLE or a full MLE for one and one (TO) for Wood. Even if the Blazers keep Nurk, having Wood as his backup / injury replacement would be a huge improvement over Eubanks, even with Woods’ flaws.

[bluerap23]

it's gonna sound really crazy but if possible what IF we did .....

trade DAME for #2 + expiring fillers
trade ANT for#11
trade NURK for expiring somewhere


draft scoot at 2
draft miller at 3
sign woods
sign 1-2 pro vets to help mold the team


scoot
sharpe
miller
#11
woods

bench
a real pg
thybulle
little
winslow
walker
keon
eubanks
vet
vet

At first thought, it doesn’t make sense why Charlotte would want Dame with Ball, but I actually think Dame and Ball would fit well together when Ball is healthy. Dame can play off-ball, Ball can play defense against SGs.

That said, I still don’t think Charlotte would make a deal for Dame, nor would the Blazers trade Dame to Charlotte. If they move Dame, it’s going to be somewhere he wants to go.

I like the idea of part of the MLE or a full MLE for one and one (TO) for Wood. Even if the Blazers keep Nurk, having Wood as his backup / injury replacement would be a huge improvement over Eubanks, even with Woods’ flaws.

You know what's better for Charlotte than Dame and Ball - Miller and Ball.

[DusterBuster]

it's gonna sound really crazy but if possible what IF we did .....

trade DAME for #2 + expiring fillers
trade ANT for#11
trade NURK for expiring somewhere


draft scoot at 2
draft miller at 3
sign woods
sign 1-2 pro vets to help mold the team


scoot
sharpe
miller
#11
woods

bench
a real pg
thybulle
little
winslow
walker
keon
eubanks
vet
vet

At first thought, it doesn’t make sense why Charlotte would want Dame with Ball, but I actually think Dame and Ball would fit well together when Ball is healthy. Dame can play off-ball, Ball can play defense against SGs.

That said, I still don’t think Charlotte would make a deal for Dame, nor would the Blazers trade Dame to Charlotte. If they move Dame, it’s going to be somewhere he wants to go.

I like the idea of part of the MLE or a full MLE for one and one (TO) for Wood. Even if the Blazers keep Nurk, having Wood as his backup / injury replacement would be a huge improvement over Eubanks, even with Woods’ flaws.

You know what's better for Charlotte than Dame and Ball - Miller and Ball.

I literally said I don’t think they’d make that deal… sooo yeah, I guess we agree?

[Norm2953]

I could see Ant going to Orlando for 11 if Portland was targeting Duke's 7-1 Center Derek Lively.

Lively is not the 11th best player but first round bigs are scarce in this draft and he'd be a bit of
a reach at 11, while there are lots of guards

[m0ng0]

I could see Ant going to Orlando for 11 if Portland was targeting Duke's 7-1 Center Derek Lively.

Lively is not the 11th best player but first round bigs are scarce in this draft and he'd be a bit of
a reach at 11, while there are lots of guards

I don't watch much college, is lively worth giving up your future and hope he pans out? The is no other big body we could draft? I find that hard to believe

[m0ng0]

I don't mean Simons is our future but he is worth a lot more than a project

[BlazersBroncos]

I think positional scarcity will lead to Lively being overdrafted. He is the #2 C by a wide margin IMO, and I dont think he is better than a late R1 prospect. I would not take him #11.

Similar w/ Nnaji, who I dont see as a better prospect than the other Badji (Still have a hope for him - his GLeague stats are sexy).

[Pattycakes]

it's gonna sound really crazy but if possible what IF we did .....

trade DAME for #2 + expiring fillers
trade ANT for#11
trade NURK for expiring somewhere


draft scoot at 2
draft miller at 3
sign woods
sign 1-2 pro vets to help mold the team


scoot
sharpe
miller
#11
woods

bench
a real pg
thybulle
little
winslow
walker
keon
eubanks
vet
vet

Ask Dame how he feels. Remember this organization will lol

[zzaj]

I sure wish the Blazers could get their hands on Taylor Hendricks. I have a hunch that he's going to be an instant contributor for a long time no matter where he goes and in 5 years everyone will wonder why he ended up going 10th. Classic high floor, low ceiling player.

[Norm2953]

Positional scarcity will likely see Hendricks going in the top 10 for Tankathon has him going 8
to the Wizards.

There is a real chance Lively could go in the late lottery perhaps 10 to Dallas. I think Portland
would take Nnaji at 23 and perhaps park him in Europe to develop.

[Norm2953]

I don't mean Simons is our future but he is worth a lot more than a project

Simons is a good player who just is a poor fit next to Dame, who really needs a Wesley Matthews type
of backcourt partner. If Dame were traded, he'd be a good fit as a sixth man but likely is a luxury
with Dame/Grant taking up $75 million in cap space, who along with Ant would be $100 million in
three players.

[dice]

forgive me if this has been discussed, but what, if any, realistic package would center around #3 in exchange for lavine?

[DusterBuster]

forgive me if this has been discussed, but what, if any, realistic package would center around #3 in exchange for lavine?

Can LaVine play SF? The tough part for LaVine is fit. I actually really like him, but he seems like he’d be playing out of position at SF. He seems like a natural SG, and the Blazers have Sharpe who’s definitely a natural SG, then the blazers have to move Simons with him… it’s just a brutal fit all around to find space for him and not have the Blazers massively overpay.

[Goldbum]

How about this:
POR trades
Ant+Nurkic+Nas+Watford+#23
4
Ayton + Keldon Johnson

SAS
Keldon Johnson
4
Ant+23+Watford

PHO
Ayton
4
Keon+ Nas+ Nurkic,
Of course it can be done as 2 separate trades. I saw a Keldon for Ant trade proposed by a Spurs fan. I gave them Watford since he reminds me so much of Diaw and I think Pop can getbthe most out of him.

PHO gets off of Ayton's contract and adds depth of player that maybe could help them.

#3 is Scoot
#43 is Kobe Brown

Ironically this has the Blazers losing 3 more games, but hey what does the algorithm know?

Portland gets there center and SF to pair with Dame+Sharpe and Grant

[DusterBuster]

How about this:
POR trades
Ant+Nurkic+Nas+Watford+#23
4
Ayton + Keldon Johnson

SAS
Keldon Johnson
4
Ant+23+Watford

PHO
Ayton
4
Keon+ Nas+ Nurkic,
Of course it can be done as 2 separate trades. I saw a Keldon for Ant trade proposed by a Spurs fan. I gave them Watford since he reminds me so much of Diaw and I think Pop can getbthe most out of him.

PHO gets off of Ayton's contract and adds depth of player that maybe could help them.

#3 is Scoot
#43 is Kobe Brown

Ironically this has the Blazers losing 3 more games, but hey what does the algorithm know?

Portland gets there center and SF to pair with Dame+Sharpe and Grant

Is was actually about to suggest something similar, but more straight across with Portland and Phoenix. Ant and Nurkic for Craig and Ayton. Maybe some minor picks from Portland, maybe the #23.

Suns get a more complete roster with a huge PG upgrade in Ant and can still bring back Paul. Blazers get Craig and have Thybulle and Nas for their SF rotation, they get a more athletic C in Ayton and can use their MLE on his backup, maybe bring back Plumlee? Draft Scoot to develop slowly…

Dame/Scoot
Sharpe/Thybulle
Craig/Little
Grant/Brown
Ayton/Plumlee

That’s a pretty interesting roster and still has the flexibility for a Dame trade rebuild if it goes sideways thanks to Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton.

If I were to bet, this I think is what Portland is angling for. Something along this dual-timeline that still gives them the ability to compete now, but still plenty stocked for a rebuild.

Feels like there’s been a lot of smoke around the Blazers interest in Ayton since last season, so I can see him being a serious target for the Nurkic upgrade. Also think there’s motivation from Phoenix to move him and his value is low enough that 3 won’t be required since they desperately need depth post-KD trade.

[The Sebastian Express]

forgive me if this has been discussed, but what, if any, realistic package would center around #3 in exchange for lavine?

I don't think there is one which sees Lavine end in Portland. I am actually a fan of Lavine. I sort of waffle whether he's worth the third pick. But despite being a fan of his, I don't think he's what Portland needs right now. We need wings with good+ defense if we're trading the third. If Zach could be rerouted to another team who could make that happen, yeah, maybe. But I just don' think we're good trading partners except to try to do 23+second for our future back.

[DusterBuster]

forgive me if this has been discussed, but what, if any, realistic package would center around #3 in exchange for lavine?

I don't think there is one which sees Lavine end in Portland. I am actually a fan of Lavine. I sort of waffle whether he's worth the third pick. But despite being a fan of his, I don't think he's what Portland needs right now. We need wings with good+ defense if we're trading the third. If Zach could be rerouted to another team who could make that happen, yeah, maybe. But I just don' think we're good trading partners except to try to do 23+second for our future back.

I think Zach is also a seriously underrated defender. It’s just a position issue imo. He plays the same spot as Sharpe, so either Sharpe or LaVine play out of position at SF, or Sharpe’s growth is stunted by him being relegated to the bench. Neither is an ideal scenario that I want to see the Blazers trade the #3 pick for.

[Pattycakes]

How about this:
POR trades
Ant+Nurkic+Nas+Watford+#23
4
Ayton + Keldon Johnson

SAS
Keldon Johnson
4
Ant+23+Watford

PHO
Ayton
4
Keon+ Nas+ Nurkic,
Of course it can be done as 2 separate trades. I saw a Keldon for Ant trade proposed by a Spurs fan. I gave them Watford since he reminds me so much of Diaw and I think Pop can getbthe most out of him.

PHO gets off of Ayton's contract and adds depth of player that maybe could help them.

#3 is Scoot
#43 is Kobe Brown

Ironically this has the Blazers losing 3 more games, but hey what does the algorithm know?

Portland gets there center and SF to pair with Dame+Sharpe and Grant

Is was actually about to suggest something similar, but more straight across with Portland and Phoenix. Ant and Nurkic for Craig and Ayton. Maybe some minor picks from Portland, maybe the #23.

Suns get a more complete roster with a huge PG upgrade in Ant and can still bring back Paul. Blazers get Craig and have Thybulle and Nas for their SF rotation, they get a more athletic C in Ayton and can use their MLE on his backup, maybe bring back Plumlee? Draft Scoot to develop slowly…

Dame/Scoot
Sharpe/Thybulle
Craig/Little
Grant/Brown
Ayton/Plumlee

That’s a pretty interesting roster and still has the flexibility for a Dame trade rebuild if it goes sideways thanks to Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton.

If I were to bet, this I think is what Portland is angling for. Something along this dual-timeline that still gives them the ability to compete now, but still plenty stocked for a rebuild.

Feels like there’s been a lot of smoke around the Blazers interest in Ayton since last season, so I can see him being a serious target for the Nurkic upgrade. Also think there’s motivation from Phoenix to move him and his value is low enough that 3 won’t be required since they desperately need depth post-KD trade.

I like your thinking and agree. An Ayton upgrade plus scoot is fairly reasonable and exciting for this offseason. I think dame will be tough losing Nurk, but even he has to identify that Nurk at this point has pretty serious limitations (many of which I will always think is post injury)

[DusterBuster]

How about this:
POR trades
Ant+Nurkic+Nas+Watford+#23
4
Ayton + Keldon Johnson

SAS
Keldon Johnson
4
Ant+23+Watford

PHO
Ayton
4
Keon+ Nas+ Nurkic,
Of course it can be done as 2 separate trades. I saw a Keldon for Ant trade proposed by a Spurs fan. I gave them Watford since he reminds me so much of Diaw and I think Pop can getbthe most out of him.

PHO gets off of Ayton's contract and adds depth of player that maybe could help them.

#3 is Scoot
#43 is Kobe Brown

Ironically this has the Blazers losing 3 more games, but hey what does the algorithm know?

Portland gets there center and SF to pair with Dame+Sharpe and Grant

Is was actually about to suggest something similar, but more straight across with Portland and Phoenix. Ant and Nurkic for Craig and Ayton. Maybe some minor picks from Portland, maybe the #23.

Suns get a more complete roster with a huge PG upgrade in Ant and can still bring back Paul. Blazers get Craig and have Thybulle and Nas for their SF rotation, they get a more athletic C in Ayton and can use their MLE on his backup, maybe bring back Plumlee? Draft Scoot to develop slowly…

Dame/Scoot
Sharpe/Thybulle
Craig/Little
Grant/Brown
Ayton/Plumlee

That’s a pretty interesting roster and still has the flexibility for a Dame trade rebuild if it goes sideways thanks to Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton.

If I were to bet, this I think is what Portland is angling for. Something along this dual-timeline that still gives them the ability to compete now, but still plenty stocked for a rebuild.

Feels like there’s been a lot of smoke around the Blazers interest in Ayton since last season, so I can see him being a serious target for the Nurkic upgrade. Also think there’s motivation from Phoenix to move him and his value is low enough that 3 won’t be required since they desperately need depth post-KD trade.

I like your thinking and agree. An Ayton upgrade plus scoot is fairly reasonable and exciting for this offseason. I think dame will be tough losing Nurk, but even he has to identify that Nurk at this point has pretty serious limitations (many of which I will always think is post injury)

Dame is mature enough to move past friends getting traded. It won’t be the first time and won’t be the last. You can stay friends with guys even if you aren’t teammates.