Confession

[James72]

David Robinson had a 2-year layoff from basketball before his rookie season. So, this should dismiss the argument that Oden couldn't perform because of a 1-year layoff. Blake Griffin had a 1-year layoff prior to his rookie season caused by a knee injury and surgery. Griffin's delayed rookie year was his best year. This is an excellent example of a player not affected by layoff, injury, work ethic, youthfulness, learning disability, red hair, hurt feelings, Nate McMillan, large raw meat, mean people, or bedbugs.

I agree with griffin, but he is an anomaly, just like Adrian Peterson with the Vikings. But the David Robinson was your argument, i was just supporting why it should be dismissed.

But we arent going to agree, so no point in beating a dead horse.

[Wizenheimer]

David Robinson had a 2-year layoff from basketball before his rookie season. So, this should dismiss the argument that Oden couldn't perform because of a 1-year layoff. Blake Griffin had a 1-year layoff prior to his rookie season caused by a knee injury and surgery. Griffin's delayed rookie year was his best year. This is an excellent example of a player not affected by layoff, injury, work ethic, youthfulness, learning disability, red hair, hurt feelings, Nate McMillan, large raw meat, mean people, or bedbugs.

I agree with griffin, but he is an anomaly, just like Adrian Peterson with the Vikings. But the David Robinson was your argument, i was just supporting why it should be dismissed.

But we arent going to agree, so no point in beating a dead horse.

for chrissakes James, this is RealGM. If you're not willing to beat dead horses for years and years, you don't belong here.

[James72]

David Robinson had a 2-year layoff from basketball before his rookie season. So, this should dismiss the argument that Oden couldn't perform because of a 1-year layoff. Blake Griffin had a 1-year layoff prior to his rookie season caused by a knee injury and surgery. Griffin's delayed rookie year was his best year. This is an excellent example of a player not affected by layoff, injury, work ethic, youthfulness, learning disability, red hair, hurt feelings, Nate McMillan, large raw meat, mean people, or bedbugs.

I agree with griffin, but he is an anomaly, just like Adrian Peterson with the Vikings. But the David Robinson was your argument, i was just supporting why it should be dismissed.

But we arent going to agree, so no point in beating a dead horse.

for chrissakes James, this is RealGM. If you're not willing to beat dead horses for years and years, you don't belong here.

Lol, more than anything, ill try to earn my stripes on this board before going full throttle on someone. Plus, i would like to save my energy for something that is more relevant for the blazers future.

[Wizenheimer]

for chrissakes James, this is RealGM. If you're not willing to beat dead horses for years and years, you don't belong here.

Lol, more than anything, ill try to earn my stripes on this board before going full throttle on someone. Plus, i would like to save my energy for something that is more relevant for the blazers future.

getting into an endless rhetorical kabuki with d-train is like a rite of passage

[The Sebastian Express]

Greg Oden was healthy from 11/2008 to 12/2009. During that time, he had many opportunities to prove his capabilities. In most cases when players have the opportunity to play, they immediately show their capabilities. Most cases of substantial improvement are because of increased opportunity rather than increased ability to perform.

The bold is wrong.

[JasonStern]

Greg Oden was healthy from 11/2008 to 12/2009.

The bold is wrong.

and the underlined part sounds like a fairy tale.

[Clarity]

Greg Oden was healthy from 11/2008 to 12/2009. During that time, he had many opportunities to prove his capabilities. In most cases when players have the opportunity to play, they immediately show their capabilities. Most cases of substantial improvement are because of increased opportunity rather than increased ability to perform.

Oden was not healthy from 11/08-12/09

"in most cases when players have the opportunity to play, they immediately show their capabilities" is dead wrong, not even close with 99% of wings, let alone bigs.

[mojomarc]

David Robinson had a 2-year layoff from basketball before his rookie season. So, this should dismiss the argument that Oden couldn't perform because of a 1-year layoff.

Not exactly. He played for in both the 1987 Pan Am Games and played for the US Olympic team in 1988. Both teams had a few months of selection games, prep practices, etc. So while he didn't get to play basketball 24x7, he certainly had more opportunity and more competition than Oden saw while sitting out his year. In fact, between the time he left college until he entered the NBA, Robinson never had a full 12 month layoff from competitive basketball. Sorry, d--you're wrong on this one. Less time off, and for different circumstances, and with four years of college and a lot more physical maturity under his belt meant Robinson came into the NBA with a huge advantage over Oden.

Blake Griffin had a 1-year layoff prior to his rookie season caused by a knee injury and surgery. Griffin's delayed rookie year was his best year. This is an excellent example of a player not affected by layoff, injury, work ethic, youthfulness, learning disability, red hair, hurt feelings, Nate McMillan, large raw meat, mean people, or bedbugs.

Griffin's injury was a non-displaced stress fracture of the patella. This type of injury has a much easier recovery compared to microfracture. You're comparing an injury that takes four months before you can play full-speed basketball to one where it really takes a year before you can play full speed basketball, and then wondering why Griffin was able to be an impact player out of the gate and Oden wasn't. You claim people are making excuses for Oden, but really you're making excuses against Oden.