CJ TRADE IDEAS

[BlazersBroncos]

Portland trades CJ and pick for Butler

Even w/ his age, contract demands and 3PT shooting woes I think toe bridge b/t CJ and Butler is about 2 FRPs and 2 FRP swaps.

And I would easily pay that.

[Village Idiot]

Portland trades CJ and pick for Butler

Even w/ his age, contract demands and 3PT shooting woes I think toe bridge b/t CJ and Butler is about 2 FRPs and 2 FRP swaps.

And I would easily pay that.

Agreed. if we were assured of getting 5 years of Butler's best (bubble playoff Jimmy) that's a no-brainer. There is absolutely no question that we would be a contender if that were to happen. Paying 2 guys 70% of the cap puts a big limitation on how good a roster we could add to them though.

[BlazersBroncos]

Agreed. if we were assured of getting 5 years of Butler's best (bubble playoff Jimmy) that's a no-brainer. There is absolutely no question that we would be a contender if that were to happen. Paying 2 guys 70% of the cap puts a big limitation on how good a roster we could add to them though.

If we are not willing to be a huge tax team, we need to move Dame. Paying him the supermax basically guarantees any serious roster will be cost AF. Ideally Little develops and we can simply pay Nurkic in 2022 rather than Nurkic/RoCo.

Another option would be to let Powell walk assuming he demands around 20M and sign a stopgap like Alec Burks (MLE) with the NO guarantee that Simons develops into a starting caliber SG.

Or let Powell walk to save $$$ and flip DJJ and Little or a pick for Ross (Declining deal 12.5M / 11.5M).

Those types of moves make paying both Nurkic and RoCo easier assuming we add a high $$$ guy like Butler. Still hard though, but easier than having Powell at 20M AV on the books.

[Goldbum]

Nurk is too passive when it comes to finishing around the rim.

So you want this guy instead..???

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This playoffs showed Simmons doesn't have the drive to compete at the highest levels. Unless I was given a compelling reason why he went so passive and stopped scoring, it really looks like he got the yips and melted under pressure.

YES.

A bad decision in a bad playoff series. It’s likely a really good trade for both teams, and I expect CJ’s play for the 76ers would have the media saying they won the trade, soon enough. Simmons (with Powell playing the 2) would address D issues, ball movement, double teaming Dame, and (Simmons) guarding elite forwards.

This time 100.... We keep looking at Simons fit through a Stotts coached lens. He would transform this team into a contender out west.

[BlazersBroncos]

This time 100.... We keep looking at Simons fit through a Stotts coached lens. He would transform this team into a contender out west.

I think the trick to a Simmons deal would be finding a 3rd team w/ a good player around DJJ's contract who would move said player, with the picks needed to gulf the value b/t Simmons and CJ, to PHI. I cant really decide who that player would be.

[GEE]

Considering how Simmons got absolutely steamrolled by his fellow teammates' comments, and the treatment by the media honks, that all put the Sixers' failures solely on him. There's no way IMO he returns to Philly.

So with that, Simmons is very much available. I think CJ is about as good a player the Sixers will get offered, and a perfect fit for their needs. I think it also makes great sense for Portland, could likely get done with a straight swap of the two players, but the key would there is "Could", and whether Olshey is willing to move CJ. I think that answer will be a NO, as Olsheys' current power issues won't allow him to pull that trigger. I also feel that Simmons is about as good as we can get for CJ, while suiting our needs, and without needing to attach additional assets.

Dame / ??? / ROCO / Simmons / ???

I'd be OK filling the ?'s with Powell and Nurkic, but feel we should not settle on those two. If we have a chance to get better players, everyone but Dame and ROCO should be available for trade IMO.

[Matt800]

There's some talk about Kawhi being lured away to the Mavs or Heat. I wonder if the Blazers could get in that conversation at all with a S&T around CJ. Obviously not likely, but that'd be pretty much the best move the Blazers could make. Maybe if people could promote Portland as much as they voiced their opinions about the coaching situation, Kawhi would consider it

[Jax_Tiger]

If the Blazers could jettison CJ for Mitchell Robinson and a couple of first rounders and figure out a way to sign Leonard with CJ's money AND keep Powell? That would be awesome. Leonard would be a perfect fit for the Blazers.

We saw how Paul George and Kawhi Leonard worked out. Two guys who essentially play the same position being floor leaders of the team. We have the same problem in Portland. Leonard would provide more balance for the Blazers - and inside out threat they don't have right now. In addition, Leonard, as good as he is, isn't a great leader off the court. He doesn't need to be a vocal leader on a team that has Damian Lillard, and I don't think he wants that role.

Having said all that, I think that is a pipe dream. Kawhi will probably stay where he is.

[Blazers98]

Kawi is a big city guy. He's not coming to Portland.

Agreed that if we are keeping Dame, which I would be surprised if we didn't, that we have to trade CJ for equal talent but a different fit. And hopefully keep Powell who is equal to CJ IMO as he is more of a complete player. Then we will be in a good position next year.

[PDXKnight]

Considering how Simmons got absolutely steamrolled by his fellow teammates' comments, and the treatment by the media honks, that all put the Sixers' failures solely on him. There's no way IMO he returns to Philly.

So with that, Simmons is very much available. I think CJ is about as good a player the Sixers will get offered, and a perfect fit for their needs. I think it also makes great sense for Portland, could likely get done with a straight swap of the two players, but the key would there is "Could", and whether Olshey is willing to move CJ. I think that answer will be a NO, as Olsheys' current power issues won't allow him to pull that trigger. I also feel that Simmons is about as good as we can get for CJ, while suiting our needs, and without needing to attach additional assets.

Dame / ??? / ROCO / Simmons / ???

I'd be OK filling the ?'s with Powell and Nurkic, but feel we should not settle on those two. If we have a chance to get better players, everyone but Dame and ROCO should be available for trade IMO.

i think sixers will try to pull off dame with simmons plus picks/ incentive and as such i think that will be the sole focus of their attention in regards to portland trade talks. When that fails hopefully cj does catch their interest

[Beteo]

Kanter and Whiteside are both totally unplayable in the post-season. It's fine to have a guy like that as insurance during the regular season for a vet min and a 3rd string but anyone watching Nurkic foul out against the Nuggets should realize we need a backup that can stay on the floor too. Hopefully Collins is that guy if he is healthy but you cannot win with dinosaurs like Whiteside and Kanter these days. Frankly I don't know how you get through a year of Whiteside and ask for some more of that, that was a painful year for me.

You absolutely speak the truth.

Has Nurk ever shown hes playable either? I rather have Whiteside/Kanter ON THE FLOOR than a Nurkic in street clothes (OR FOULED OUT!!!) which hes going to be in AT LEAST half the time we are in the playoffs. Oh and he got burned by Jokic and AD (of course they are the best at their position), but thats what you going to go up against in the west.

I much rather have Jimmy B and Whiteside than a CJ and Nurk in the playoffs.

I got your point. But yeah I guess he showed that (at least that he has the potential what I am missing at the other two). I would also love to see Jimmy B but Whiteside and Kanter are not better at all (maybe all three are not playable).

[BlazersBroncos]

Jokic in no way burned Nurkic. You are never going to stop Joker, but Jusuf put up a good fight.

Whiteside couldnt get consistent minutes on the freaking Kings, who were playing to win not tanking. He isnt a good player.

[monopoman]

Jokic in no way burned Nurkic. You are never going to stop Joker, but Jusuf put up a good fight.

Whiteside couldnt get consistent minutes on the freaking Kings, who were playing to win not tanking. He isnt a good player.

I mean Jokic was good in that series but we were getting burned by the Nugget guards mostly. The guards that looked like garbage against the Suns.

[Case2012]

The obvious move is Ben Simmons now that he’s been made available officially. Kind of concerning that we weren’t listed as an interested team, but nothing comes out of PDX FO until it’s been done.

[Roy The Natural]

The obvious move is Ben Simmons now that he’s been made available officially. Kind of concerning that we weren’t listed as an interested team, but nothing comes out of PDX FO until it’s been done.

I'm not really sure we have what it takes... but I guess we'll see.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The obvious move is Ben Simmons now that he’s been made available officially. Kind of concerning that we weren’t listed as an interested team, but nothing comes out of PDX FO until it’s been done.

I'm not really sure we have what it takes... but I guess we'll see.

Me either, I don't see a stat-driven GM like Morey having much interest in a player like CJ. The CJ for Simmons talk is very one-sided at the moment.


Inevitably in a year or two people will be talking about how Olshey refused to make CJ available in a Ben Simmons trade. Which, knowing Olshey, might still be the case lol. I hope that is mostly posturing, if your trade package isn't going to get it done then its better to pretend like you never offered it.

[Roy The Natural]

The obvious move is Ben Simmons now that he’s been made available officially. Kind of concerning that we weren’t listed as an interested team, but nothing comes out of PDX FO until it’s been done.

I'm not really sure we have what it takes... but I guess we'll see.

Me either, I don't see a stat-driven GM like Morey having much interest in a player like CJ. The CJ for Simmons talk is very one-sided at the moment.


Inevitably in a year or two people will be talking about how Olshey refused to make CJ available in a Ben Simmons trade. Which, knowing Olshey, might still be the case lol. I hope that is mostly posturing, if your trade package isn't going to get it done then its better to pretend like you never offered it.

I mean... maybe. This is different than past flops though. CJ had real big-time value during the Paul George trade. Portland had picks as well. They wimped out on a clear upgrade. The Harden trade we don't 100% know what Houston wanted... it was one of the worst trades of all time for a star for Houston, at least on its face. Portland could have put more in that basket I'm sure.

This one... it just feels like Philly and Portland aren't great trading partners. Harris for CJ is kind of nauseating. Simmons for CJ isn't enough for Philly. Simmons for Lillard is laughable. There's lots of little pieces on either side that could add value either way, but none of them seem to add enough to either team to make them consider moving their guy.

If Simons had been the one who developed quick like Trent then we'd probably have something to work with. Alas, Simons is kind of meh. I think he's showed real improvement and looks like he could really settle into a Seth Curry type role down the line.... but my hopes of him becoming a more complete offensive player are fading fast. He's just utterly soft and has completely abandoned attempting to get to the rim. He's got loads of unusable athleticism until he decides not to just be a shooter.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I'm not really sure we have what it takes... but I guess we'll see.

Me either, I don't see a stat-driven GM like Morey having much interest in a player like CJ. The CJ for Simmons talk is very one-sided at the moment.


Inevitably in a year or two people will be talking about how Olshey refused to make CJ available in a Ben Simmons trade. Which, knowing Olshey, might still be the case lol. I hope that is mostly posturing, if your trade package isn't going to get it done then its better to pretend like you never offered it.

I mean... maybe. This is different than past flops though. CJ had real big-time value during the Paul George trade. Portland had picks as well. They wimped out on a clear upgrade. The Harden trade we don't 100% know what Houston wanted... it was one of the worst trades of all time for a star for Houston, at least on its face. Portland could have put more in that basket I'm sure.

This one... it just feels like Philly and Portland aren't great trading partners. Harris for CJ is kind of nauseating. Simmons for CJ isn't enough for Philly. Simmons for Lillard is laughable. There's lots of little pieces on either side that could add value either way, but none of them seem to add enough to either team to make them consider moving their guy.

If Simons had been the one who developed quick like Trent then we'd probably have something to work with. Alas, Simons is kind of meh. I think he's showed real improvement and looks like he could really settle into a Seth Curry type role down the line.... but my hopes of him becoming a more complete offensive player are fading fast. He's just utterly soft and has completely abandoned attempting to get to the rim. He's got loads of unusable athleticism until he decides not to just be a shooter.

Looking at Ant and DJJ, it seems that sort of athleticism is way overrated. They can jump for days but are too skinny to fight through contact like needed.

[Matt800]

One thing that will be interesting about CJ is that he commented after the season that he was looking forward to working on adding things to his game, which he noted he wasn't able to do for the last few offseasons due to injuries he was rehabbing. So if all goes well, this next season we may see the best CJ we've ever seen. I generally think trading him for similar but better fitting value would make sense, but also it might not be the worst to see how this team looks with some role-player upgrades. Or maybe let CJ look good for the first half of the season and trade him at the deadline.

[Roy The Natural]

One thing that will be interesting about CJ is that he commented after the season that he was looking forward to working on adding things to his game, which he noted he wasn't able to do for the last few offseasons due to injuries he was rehabbing. So if all goes well, this next season we may see the best CJ we've ever seen. I generally think trading him for similar but better fitting value would make sense, but also it might not be the worst to see how this team looks with some role-player upgrades. Or maybe let CJ look good for the first half of the season and trade him at the deadline.

If there is nothing good out there for CJ, I'd look at building a package around a Lonzo for Powell S&T.