Lillard to Request a Trade Edit: Lillard does not request a trade.

DusterBuster · Post #81 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:36 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2946299-insiders-reveal-latest-buzz-trade-scenarios-for-pors-damian-lillard-crisis.amp.html

No fan of Bleacher Report, but this article has a strong ring of truth to it probably from what the “insiders” say will happen this season. The TL;DR being that every team in the league knows Olshey is in a rock and a hard place, so they’re either going to jack up the price on any non-lillard trade, or just not deal with Portland at all to get Lillard to a point where he will demand the trade so those teams can try and get him.

So yeah, honestly, Portland’s only play is probably just trying to make minor moves and hope coaching solves problems? Otherwise just get out ahead of the issue and be proactive in blowing up the roster for a rebuild instead of delaying the inevitable.

PDXKnight · Post #82 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:48 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
haha sounds like you were a union pipe fitter if i had to guess

no...residential and commercial framer, mostly

i’m surprised there’s farming up there but i suppose there’s enough land

DusterBuster · Post #83 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:11 am

If the raptors offered Siakim, their lottery picks and maybe one more pick for Dame, id seriously consider it.

CJ
Powell (if he resigns)
Barnes (#4)
RoCo
Siakim
Nurk

Isn’t an all together awful team. I’d reckon that that team for the regular season could still get 40+ wins.

Or they then move CJ and Nurk after moving Dame and blow it up more so there’s practically no returning players.

Norm2953 · Post #84 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:31 am

Let's see how Dame plays for team USA.

One has to believe there is some big time recruiting going on behind the scenes with Draymond
Green and Jayson Tatum trying to entice Dame into asking for a trade to their NBA teams. If
Dame just blows up, teams with a lot of draft capital like the Pelicans, GSW and Raptors
might just offer up something Portland would have to think about, especially if their efforts
to add a second star are going nowhere.

Quite likely Dame will be asking out at the trade deadline if NO's efforts are going nowhere.

Wizenheimer · Post #85 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:11 am

Oden2 wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
haha sounds like you were a union pipe fitter if i had to guess

no...residential and commercial framer, mostly

i’m surprised there’s farming up there but i suppose there’s enough land

lol...framer not farmer. As in 2X6 and 4X12 and plywood and siding

Sinobas · Post #86 » by **Sinobas** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:53 pm

Maybe we should trade Lillard and acquire a team full of international players. He can't even beat forgien teams with a squad of other stars...

JasonStern · Post #87 » by **JasonStern** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:03 pm

Still think that if Dame has to be moved, Murray+MPJ makes the most sense. Denver goes into win-now mode. Portland buys a few years of mediocre playoff level basketball before being forced to make their next move. Basically trade a great player for a really good player and a good player - better version of the Sheed for Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Theo Ratliff trade.

Wizenheimer wrote:we had that often saying: "women! you can't live with them, can't live without them"

well, one good thing about getting old(er) is that you realize only the first half of that statement is true. The point being that if men and women are from different planets, either I need to go back to where I'm from, or they do

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BigLurch92 · Post #88 » by **BigLurch92** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:15 pm

If Lillard does want out eventually I would like to see Ingram or Jaylen Brown in return.

GEE · Post #89 » by **GEE** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:25 am

BigLurch92 wrote:If Lillard does want out eventually I would like to see Ingram or Jaylen Brown in return.

+1, Ingram / Ball or Brown / Pritchard, with some sweetener... that would be better IMO than a bunch of picks, especially considering what the roster could look like for next year, with the perfect trade.

- Simmons / Thybulle I like if it's for Dame, but not so much if it's for CJ(like/dislike the pairings).
- Lavine / Vuc - Dame / Nurkic.... Kyrie Irving / Dinwiddie.... Wiseman / The hiring of Penny / filler / 2021 picks +, and there are plenty of others that I would be quietly calling about if I were Olshey.

Of course I'd much prefer instead, for Dame to do the recruiting while in Tokyo, and not be the recruited. Maybe he can convince Durrant to force his way out of Brooklyn. Not happening, I know, and I'm not even convinced Olshey will do any sort of big trade at all. I wish he would, but even if he was wanting to, I still very much doubt he has the ability to make any sort of great deal, considering he's in a position of weakness.

Post #90 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:51 pm

GEE wrote:Of course I'd much prefer instead, for Dame to do the recruiting while in Tokyo, and not be the recruited. Maybe he can convince Durrant to force his way out of Brooklyn. Not happening, I know, and I'm not even convinced Olshey will do any sort of big trade at all. I wish he would, but even if he was wanting to, I still very much doubt he has the ability to make any sort of great deal, considering he's in a position of weakness.

Yeah, while obviously the blame falls squarely on management for roster construction, Lillard has also not been that effective in recruiting. He and CJ tried for years to get Carmelo to come here and it was only once Melo had exhausted all other options that we were able to convince him to give us a shot. I get that Portland is a hard sell for most NBA players but a washed up Melo is literally the only player I can think of that came here because of the recruiting efforts of Dame/CJ.

Jsun947 · Post #91 » by **Jsun947** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:33 pm

There's no chance in hell that Denver trades MPJ + Murray. I'm not even convinced that makes them a better team (if Murray was healthy)

I'd think you'd have to include Covington in that deal if not more for them to be a legit immediate contender

Dame
Barton
Covington
Gordon
Jokic

Green (resigned)
Morris
Compazzo
Millsap (resigned)

PDXKnight · Post #92 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:06 am

Jsun947 wrote:There's no chance in hell that Denver trades MPJ + Murray. I'm not even convinced that makes them a better team (if Murray was healthy)

I'd think you'd have to include Covington in that deal if not more for them to be a legit immediate contender

Dame
Barton
Covington
Gordon
Jokic

Green (resigned)
Morris
Compazzo
Millsap (resigned)

mpj and murray for dame is meh imo due to murray’s injury questions. If we deal dame i want a package of solid picks packaged with more

monopoman · Post #93 » by **monopoman** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:46 am

I mean isn't the goal if we deal Dame to deal all the older players and then be a pretty meh at best team for 3-4 years?

I don't understand the philosophy of trading Dame and then still staying in win-now mode.

zzaj · Post #94 » by **zzaj** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:51 am

Just on here quickly to say eff Neil Olshey. He was gifted perhaps the best player in Trailblazer history and he has COMPLETELY botched his time here. If Lillard demands a trade, I will consider him easily the worst GM in Blazer history. I CAN'T FATHOM how he has kept his job.

Eff Olshey.

PDXKnight · Post #95 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:21 am

monopoman wrote:I mean isn't the goal if we deal Dame to deal all the older players and then be a pretty meh at best team for 3-4 years?

I don't understand the philosophy of trading Dame and then still staying in win-now mode.

depends on the other moves. But a guy like paschal (packaged with a bunch of picks) would be young enough of a piece for a rebuild

Norm2953 · Post #96 » by **Norm2953** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 am

It makes one wonder if Portland decides enough is enough and decides blowing the team up before
the draft is preferable to blowing the team up at the trade deadline.

If the team can't move CJ for anything more than a late lottery pick, how can they do anything
significant to please Dame? What is the point of bring back the roster with no real changes that
failed to get out of the first round, in a conference where most teams have only gotten better?

Wickzki · Post #97 » by **Wickzki** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:30 pm

BigLurch92 wrote:If Lillard does want out eventually I would like to see Ingram or Jaylen Brown in return.

Before I saw your post I was going to ask now that NO has traded for Valanciunas how people would react to Lillard for Ingram + Ball + some of their draft picks haul

They have all of this going forward:

2022 first round pick from LA Lakers
2023 first round pick from LA Lakers (best of NO and LAL picks)
2024 first round pick from LA Lakers
2024 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)
2025 first round pick from Milwaukee
2026 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)
2027 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)

Jsun947 · Post #98 » by **Jsun947** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:39 pm

Wickzki wrote:
BigLurch92 wrote:If Lillard does want out eventually I would like to see Ingram or Jaylen Brown in return.

Before I saw your post I was going to ask now that NO has traded for Valanciunas how people would react to Lillard for Ingram + Ball + some of their draft picks haul

They have all of this going forward:

2022 first round pick from LA Lakers
2023 first round pick from LA Lakers (best of NO and LAL picks)
2024 first round pick from LA Lakers
2024 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)
2025 first round pick from Milwaukee
2026 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)
2027 first round pick from Milwaukee (best of NO and MIL picks)

Well, Ball is a free agent so that's a problem...

In a vacuum Dame for Ingram + picks isn't the worst thing in the world but unless Lebron & AD or Giannis become crippled those Lakers and Milwaukee picks are going to be in the 20-30 range at best.

JasonStern · Post #99 » by **JasonStern** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:41 pm

Jsun947 wrote:There's no chance in hell that Denver trades MPJ + Murray. I'm not even convinced that makes them a better team (if Murray was healthy)

It's a star driven league. Having two of the top ten players absolutely makes Denver better. Hell, part of the reason I like a Murray+MPJ trade is that Jokić+Lillard is a much more likeable duo than Leonard+George, James+Davis, etc.

monopoman wrote:I mean isn't the goal if we deal Dame to deal all the older players and then be a pretty meh at best team for 3-4 years?

I don't understand the philosophy of trading Dame and then still staying in win-now mode.

Trading Dame and trying to stay in win-now mode doesn't make much sense. But the question is how long do you expect the rebuild to take? Taking a Warriors package around Wiseman and picks or the Knicks with Barrett and picks positions the Blazers to be good 5+ years from now depending on how the draft goes. Packages like Murray and MPJ accelerate the rebuild timeline, as they're closer to their athletic peak and they are actually proven. And it's also an easier rebuild with respect to moving CJ, Covington, and potentially Powell.

Had Olshey not made the Powell trade, a lineup of:

Murray (24)/Trent (22)/MPJ (22)/DJJ (24)/Nurkić (26)

...is a solid start to a team that could be good in 3-4 years.

monopoman · Post #100 » by **monopoman** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:21 pm

JasonStern wrote:
Jsun947 wrote:There's no chance in hell that Denver trades MPJ + Murray. I'm not even convinced that makes them a better team (if Murray was healthy)

It's a star driven league. Having two of the top ten players absolutely makes Denver better. Hell, part of the reason I like a Murray+MPJ trade is that Jokić+Lillard is a much more likeable duo than Leonard+George, James+Davis, etc.

monopoman wrote:I mean isn't the goal if we deal Dame to deal all the older players and then be a pretty meh at best team for 3-4 years?

I don't understand the philosophy of trading Dame and then still staying in win-now mode.

Trading Dame and trying to stay in win-now mode doesn't make much sense. But the question is how long do you expect the rebuild to take? Taking a Warriors package around Wiseman and picks or the Knicks with Barrett and picks positions the Blazers to be good 5+ years from now depending on how the draft goes. Packages like Murray and MPJ accelerate the rebuild timeline, as they're closer to their athletic peak and they are actually proven. And it's also an easier rebuild with respect to moving CJ, Covington, and potentially Powell.

Had Olshey not made the Powell trade, a lineup of:

Murray (24)/Trent (22)/MPJ (22)/DJJ (24)/Nurkić (26)

...is a solid start to a team that could be good in 3-4 years.

I mean a rebuild is heavily dependent on how well they draft, I mean the last one was super short because we picked up Lillard quickly after we basically lost Roy and Oden for good. Now if the Blazers keep missing in the draft for 3-4 years despite getting top 5 or top 10 picks then it could take a long time.

I have a feeling 4-5 years would be the average length of a rebuild though, since I think the Blazers draft better than the most of the worst teams in the NBA.

We also have to remember that the only reason we have Lillard on this team pretty much is due to the Nets giving up a 6th pick for a guy quickly approaching his twilight years in Gerald Wallace. The Nets completely devalued the 6th pick and we were able to nab it then pick the 2nd best player in that draft.