I think I’m done with Scoot

[Walton1one]

I wouldn’t trust anything that Danny Marang says, That guy has been wrong so many times, and he belittles people who disagree with him, and then when he is proven wrong, he tries to rewrite his prior positions like they never existed, that guy is insufferable.

If he doesn’t believe in Scoot, well that means Scoot will be an All Star. He cares more about dropping names than actually giving good analysis

Scoot has plenty of time to keep growing, he is only 20 & again POR does NOTHING to help him succeed.

Playing him next to Simons, playing him with Banton, playing him on the second team with guys who cannot make a shot to save their lives, no offensive structure whatsoever, I can go on and on, this organization is a joke, it took this game before they figured out that maybe it might be good to have the ball in Avdija’s hands?

[Norm2953]

The 2000 NBA draft very famously when Darius Miles went third, had no high upside pick

Revisionist history. Miles had a 47 point game and all of the potential to be great. He just had a substance abuse problem, medium to low BBIQ, and injuries (probably due in part to not taking practice seriously). He had a high upside. He just never lived up to it.

Miles was also a ring leader on the Jail Blazers.

At least Zach managed to turn his game around and have a solid NBA career but Miles had all the physical
ability a team could ask for but the Clippers and Cavs had seen enough and traded him when they had the
chance.

[Norm2953]

I wouldn’t trust anything that Danny Marang says, That guy has been wrong so many times, and he belittles people who disagree with him, and then when he is proven wrong, he tries to rewrite his prior positions like they never existed, that guy is insufferable.

If he doesn’t believe in Scoot, well that means Scoot will be an All Star. He cares more about dropping names than actually giving good analysis

Scoot has plenty of time to keep growing, he is only 20 & again POR does NOTHING to help him succeed.

Playing him next to Simons, playing him with Banton, playing him on the second team with guys who cannot make a shot to save their lives, no offensive structure whatsoever, I can go on and on, this organization is a joke, it took this game before they figured out that maybe it might be good to have the ball in Avdija’s hands?

Right now, Scoot is the only natural PG on the roster. If he's not had a breakout season, this upcoming draft is not a
draft for a PF for Flagg is more of a tweener. It'll be interesting if Portland drafts the French PG in the 2025 draft. There
are a ton of SG's in the upcoming 2025 draft

[DusterBuster]

The 2000 NBA draft very famously when Darius Miles went third, had no high upside pick

Revisionist history. Miles had a 47 point game and all of the potential to be great. He just had a substance abuse problem, medium to low BBIQ, and injuries (probably due in part to not taking practice seriously). He had a high upside. He just never lived up to it.

Miles was also a ring leader on the Jail Blazers.

At least Zach managed to turn his game around and have a solid NBA career but Miles had all the physical
ability a team could ask for but the Clippers and Cavs had seen enough and traded him when they had the
chance.

Woah… holy revisionist history Batman…

Bonzi Wells, JR Ryder, Ruben Patterson, Quintel Woods, Sebastian Telfair, Rasheed Wallace, Damon Stodamire and a lot more I’m forgetting would like a word…

Some wildly varying amount of issues with all these, but calling Darius Miles the “ring leader of the JailBlazers” is some crazy level of polishing the past.

[Norm2953]

Revisionist history. Miles had a 47 point game and all of the potential to be great. He just had a substance abuse problem, medium to low BBIQ, and injuries (probably due in part to not taking practice seriously). He had a high upside. He just never lived up to it.

Miles was also a ring leader on the Jail Blazers.

At least Zach managed to turn his game around and have a solid NBA career but Miles had all the physical
ability a team could ask for but the Clippers and Cavs had seen enough and traded him when they had the
chance.

Woah… holy revisionist history Batman…

Bonzi Wells, JR Ryder, Ruben Patterson, Quintel Woods, Sebastian Telfair, Rasheed Wallace, Damon Stodamire and a lot more I’m forgetting would like a word…

Some wildly varying amount of issues with all these, but calling Darius Miles the “ring leader of the JailBlazers” is some crazy level of polishing the past.

To be sure, there was no leader of the Jail Blazers but guys like Bonzi did yield a FRP when he was traded,
JR Rider was actually traded before the Jail Blazer came into full bloom, Ruben actually had a journeyman
type of career (played 563 games in 8 seasons), Sheed was a good Blazer who showed in Detroit with solid
guys like Chauncey he could contribute to a championship team and Damon played 12 seasons in the league.

I seem to recall Miles 47 point game was the first game he played as a Blazer. He's one of those guys who
had all kinds of physical talent, who never applied himself. Missed two seasons as a 25, 26 year old and
was allowed to walk as a free agent.

[Walton1one]

I wouldn’t trust anything that Danny Marang says, That guy has been wrong so many times, and he belittles people who disagree with him, and then when he is proven wrong, he tries to rewrite his prior positions like they never existed, that guy is insufferable.

If he doesn’t believe in Scoot, well that means Scoot will be an All Star. He cares more about dropping names than actually giving good analysis

Scoot has plenty of time to keep growing, he is only 20 & again POR does NOTHING to help him succeed.

Playing him next to Simons, playing him with Banton, playing him on the second team with guys who cannot make a shot to save their lives, no offensive structure whatsoever, I can go on and on, this organization is a joke, it took this game before they figured out that maybe it might be good to have the ball in Avdija’s hands?

Right now, Scoot is the only natural PG on the roster. If he's not had a breakout season, this upcoming draft is not a
draft for a PF for Flagg is more of a tweener. It'll be interesting if Portland drafts the French PG in the 2025 draft. There
are a ton of SG's in the upcoming 2025 draft

I have no issue with POR taking Harper, Traore, Demin, Edgecome if Flagg\Bailey are gone.

Don’t want to see them relive another Telfair\Paul scenario

[DusterBuster]

I wouldn’t trust anything that Danny Marang says, That guy has been wrong so many times, and he belittles people who disagree with him, and then when he is proven wrong, he tries to rewrite his prior positions like they never existed, that guy is insufferable.

If he doesn’t believe in Scoot, well that means Scoot will be an All Star. He cares more about dropping names than actually giving good analysis

Scoot has plenty of time to keep growing, he is only 20 & again POR does NOTHING to help him succeed.

Playing him next to Simons, playing him with Banton, playing him on the second team with guys who cannot make a shot to save their lives, no offensive structure whatsoever, I can go on and on, this organization is a joke, it took this game before they figured out that maybe it might be good to have the ball in Avdija’s hands?

Right now, Scoot is the only natural PG on the roster. If he's not had a breakout season, this upcoming draft is not a
draft for a PF for Flagg is more of a tweener. It'll be interesting if Portland drafts the French PG in the 2025 draft. There
are a ton of SG's in the upcoming 2025 draft

I have no issue with POR taking Harper, Traore, Demin, Edgecome if Flagg\Bailey are gone.

Don’t want to see them relive another Telfair\Paul scenario

100% agreed. You can’t skip over talent on the hope of future development. By now, if a guy is gonna be a high level talent, he’s gonna have shown it and it’ll be clear. Scoot straight up hasn’t. He’s at best tracking to be a jacked Raymond Felton right now.

Take the BPA this draft and if that’s a PG, so be it. If/when that player is better than Scoot, if that means you end up letting Scoot walk or trading him for a used sofa, so be it as well.

[Norm2953]

I think the team will know what Scoot is by the end of this season.

It's a very guard heavy draft and even Flagg, Bailey aren't an ideal fit when Donovan
and Deni are in their front court for neither Deni/Donovan are going to be scorers.

I think it will BPA for Portland. If Portland ends up with Harper from this draft, perhaps
he'll be what Stephen Castle was in last years draft which is another solid player on a team
needing a star.

[DusterBuster]

I think the team will know what Scoot is by the end of this season.

I don't think you need to wait that long. What he is is here. His C- work in the offseason kind of cemented that he is what he is. He's not dedicated enough to the game like the greats are - or even the goods are. He's kind of the DMiles PG. His physical traits are just so overwhelming that he thinks that can get him by enough to ignore the mental / skill part of the game, which to an extent it has, but now the rubber is hitting the road and he's spinning out.

[JRoy]

I think the team will know what Scoot is by the end of this season.

I don't think you need to wait that long. What he is is here. His C- work in the offseason kind of cemented that he is what he is. He's not dedicated enough to the game like the greats are - or even the goods are. He's kind of the DMiles PG. His physical traits are just so overwhelming that he thinks that can get him by enough to ignore the mental / skill part of the game, which to an extent it has, but now the rubber is hitting the road and he's spinning out.

I do not consider his physical traits to be overwhelming.

[DusterBuster]

I think the team will know what Scoot is by the end of this season.

I don't think you need to wait that long. What he is is here. His C- work in the offseason kind of cemented that he is what he is. He's not dedicated enough to the game like the greats are - or even the goods are. He's kind of the DMiles PG. His physical traits are just so overwhelming that he thinks that can get him by enough to ignore the mental / skill part of the game, which to an extent it has, but now the rubber is hitting the road and he's spinning out.

I do not consider his physical traits to be overwhelming.

Fair. Just saying one of the main things people raved about him is that he's built like a body builder / PF / athletic as all get hell, which is a fact from pre-draft hype.

[Tim Lehrbach]

It's a very guard heavy draft and even Flagg, Bailey aren't an ideal fit when Donovan
and Deni are in their front court for neither Deni/Donovan are going to be scorers.

With Flagg and Bailey, you hope they are so good that Deni and Donovan's complementary games merely have to fit around their talents. But I get you -- Flagg, at least, doesn't look the part of an alpha scorer, either. I'd still take either of those two and worry about fit and shooting later.

[JRoy]

I don't think you need to wait that long. What he is is here. His C- work in the offseason kind of cemented that he is what he is. He's not dedicated enough to the game like the greats are - or even the goods are. He's kind of the DMiles PG. His physical traits are just so overwhelming that he thinks that can get him by enough to ignore the mental / skill part of the game, which to an extent it has, but now the rubber is hitting the road and he's spinning out.

I do not consider his physical traits to be overwhelming.

Fair. Just saying one of the main things people raved about him is that he's built like a body builder / PF / athletic as all get hell, which is a fact from pre-draft hype.

Gotcha.

He’s pretty beefy but nothing special as an nba athlete. He is maybe less terrible in that aspect than every other aspect of the game.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I do not consider his physical traits to be overwhelming.

Fair. Just saying one of the main things people raved about him is that he's built like a body builder / PF / athletic as all get hell, which is a fact from pre-draft hype.

Gotcha.

He’s pretty beefy but nothing special as an nba athlete. He is maybe less terrible in that aspect than every other aspect of the game.

I was a big Scoot guy pre-draft and am still rooting for him. Yet, I appreciate your mopey takedowns of his disastrous early returns.

[JRoy]

Fair. Just saying one of the main things people raved about him is that he's built like a body builder / PF / athletic as all get hell, which is a fact from pre-draft hype.

Gotcha.

He’s pretty beefy but nothing special as an nba athlete. He is maybe less terrible in that aspect than every other aspect of the game.

I was a big Scoot guy pre-draft and am still rooting for him. Yet, I appreciate your mopey takedowns of his disastrous early returns.

Every Tigger needs an Eeyore.

[red_power]

This kid is just starting to scream million dollar athlete with 10 cent brain. Not convinced he has the mentality to put things together as he was hyped.

Had he played like a superstar you would have easily forgiven him for this issue. But in reality Scoot plays more like Marcus Smart who can't play any good defense. Or, simply put, he s*cks.

It turns out that the Blazers were screwed again on 2023 NBA Draft night and here we go.

[DusterBuster]

This kid is just starting to scream million dollar athlete with 10 cent brain. Not convinced he has the mentality to put things together as he was hyped.

Had he played like a superstar you would have easily forgiven him for this issue. But in reality Scoot plays more like Marcus Smart who can't play any good defense. Or, simply put, he s*cks.

It turns out that the Blazers were screwed again on 2023 NBA Draft night and here we go.

If he would have played like a superstar, that wouldn’t be an issue…

[Norm2953]

far too early to be hyping these 18 year old players. A number of these guys who have
been hyped as a part of this elite draft class have been struggling and even Flagg has
struggled some and he plays alongside of two other players who have been mentioned
as potential lottery picks

[Walton1one]

What do weigh more, how Flagg played with the Olympic team or how he is playing at Duke (which is not bad BTW)

How Edgecome played alongside NBA vets in Olympic qualifying or how he is playing to start off the year (a little rough but getting better)

Personally, I would value the former, I bet most NBA teams do as well.

[Braggins]

Flagg is not struggling. His 3pt shot hasn't been falling with good efficiency, but hes averaging 17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.8 spg, 2.0 bpg. Hes still 17 years old.