Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[Blazinaway]

Can't stand watching Simons anymore. He's first on my trade list. Then I'd look to move Grant, simply because I want his contract to be shorter. Might as well move Thybulle since hes not playing and I'd rather see Rupert get the minutes right now. Lastl, I'd look to move Ayton.

Exactly how I feel, Simons has gotta go

[JRoy]

Can't stand watching Simons anymore. He's first on my trade list. Then I'd look to move Grant, simply because I want his contract to be shorter. Might as well move Thybulle since hes not playing and I'd rather see Rupert get the minutes right now. Lastl, I'd look to move Ayton.

Exactly how I feel, Simons has gotta go

The sooner the better.

[BlazersBroncos]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

[dckingsfan]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

I just don't see it. No way that Orlando gives up its 2025 picks. Just zero chance. I guess weirder things have happened.

They are in the driver's seat being able to gracefully tank due to an injury to Paolo. Along with Denver doing poorly, they will be able to continue to build through the draft.

They might do Cole + Howard + 3 future SRP for Simons. But I am guessing they would rather tank (just a wild guess).

[Wizenheimer]

I agree that Simons is at the top of the Blazer '[i]must-trade-ASAP[/i]' list. I'd settle for an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick because I'm skeptical any team would send a 1st....unless it was heavily protected

2nd on my 'must-trade-ASAP' is Ayton. I have just about as much disdain for his game as I do for Simons. They are both empty-calorie players

and a big reason I want both gone ASAP is to prevent Cronin from re-signing either, or both, to idiot deals

[BlazersBroncos]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

I just don't see it. No way that Orlando gives up its 2025 picks. Just zero chance. I guess weirder things have happened.

They are in the driver's seat being able to gracefully tank due to an injury to Paolo. Along with Denver doing poorly, they will be able to continue to build through the draft.

They might do Cole + Howard + 3 future SRP for Simons. But I am guessing they would rather tank (just a wild guess).

I figure the pick protection could be something along the lines of 'lower of ORL / DEN 2025 FRP lotto protected - if both picks are in lotto PDX recieves 2 future SRP'.

Hedges ORL very well to ensure they dont give up a good FRP. Could even make it Top-20 protected and I would still do it.

[dckingsfan]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

I just don't see it. No way that Orlando gives up its 2025 picks. Just zero chance. I guess weirder things have happened.

They are in the driver's seat being able to gracefully tank due to an injury to Paolo. Along with Denver doing poorly, they will be able to continue to build through the draft.

They might do Cole + Howard + 3 future SRP for Simons. But I am guessing they would rather tank (just a wild guess).

I figure the pick protection could be something along the lines of 'lower of ORL / DEN 2025 FRP lotto protected - if both picks are in lotto PDX recieves 2 future SRP'.

Hedges ORL very well to ensure they dont give up a good FRP. Could even make it Top-20 protected and I would still do it.

I guess it is always easier to shoot down a trade than make a proposal... sorry about that.

And yes, ANY FRP that allows us to move Simons for contracts that expire at the same time is a win. Plus, Jett will be another of those long wings that can shoot a 3.

One thing - the trade doesn't work

[dckingsfan]

I agree that Simons is at the top of the Blazer '[i]must-trade-ASAP[/i]' list. I'd settle for an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick because I'm skeptical any team would send a 1st....unless it was heavily protected

2nd on my 'must-trade-ASAP' is Ayton. I have just about as much disdain for his game as I do for Simons. They are both empty-calorie players

and a big reason I want both gone ASAP is to prevent Cronin from re-signing either, or both, to idiot deals

I was trying to figure out a trade with Milwaukee. Something along the Simons + Ayton for Lopez and Middleton. But I can't figure out how to make it work.

[Walton1one]

I just don't see it. No way that Orlando gives up its 2025 picks. Just zero chance. I guess weirder things have happened.

They are in the driver's seat being able to gracefully tank due to an injury to Paolo. Along with Denver doing poorly, they will be able to continue to build through the draft.

They might do Cole + Howard + 3 future SRP for Simons. But I am guessing they would rather tank (just a wild guess).

I figure the pick protection could be something along the lines of 'lower of ORL / DEN 2025 FRP lotto protected - if both picks are in lotto PDX recieves 2 future SRP'.

Hedges ORL very well to ensure they dont give up a good FRP. Could even make it Top-20 protected and I would still do it.

I guess it is always easier to shoot down a trade than make a proposal... sorry about that.

And yes, ANY FRP that allows us to move Simons for contracts that expire at the same time is a win. Plus, Jett will be another of those long wings that can shoot a 3.

One thing - the trade doesn't work

Gary Harris can't be traded until December 15th, then it would work. Probably something like a 3 for 2 \preferably 3 for 3

Simons and (1) of Walker\Reath\Banton for Anthony\Harris\Howard & either ORL or DEN 25' 1st.

I do not see the inclusion of that pick as an issue, as either pick will likely be mid\late 1st & ORL has (2) 1st's in 2025. The negotiating IMO would be over whether POR can get the better\worse of the two.

I don't see any want\need for ORL to tank this year. Banchero is not out for the year (2 months most likely) and the EC is in flux enough that they can still make the playoffs while missing him for a major part of the year. Adding a scorer like Simons could help offset the scoring loss of Banchero, and they are not giving away any rotation players of note in order to get him. That is a win\win.

ORL is $20.5mil!! under the luxury tax, so they could take 1-2 players back along with Simons and still stay well under the tax.

A side benefit of sending (2) other players back with Simons (3 for 3 deal) is that it would shave another $4-5mil off their payroll, getting them to $7-8mil under the luxury tax, which could be useful in future trades.

[Walton1one]

Trading with MIL, since they are a 2nd apron team is very difficult. They cannot take more salary back than they send out and they cannot combine multiple salaries in a trade.

So a trade with MIL has to be a 1 for 1, with them taking back less in salary than they send out.

UNLESS, and I am not sure if the NBA would allow it or not, they first made a trade to get under the 2nd apron, thereby allowing them to combine salaries in a deal (they still have to take in less than they send out).

MIL is $6.5 above the 2nd apron, so they would have to trade out a player like Connaughton for example, taking back someone like Reath\Walker\Banton\Rupert or Camara (the last 2, not happening) FIRST, then you could possibly work a 2nd multi-player deal, probably having to include a 3rd team to offload some salary.

HOWEVER, that cannot work either since POR is a non tax team they are limited to how much more salary they can take back (200% +$250k), so yeah, very difficult, nigh impossible to include a deal with Simons, but the more important point is what does MIL have that POR would even want back?

Grant\Middleton works so well b\c their salaries are so close and Grant's is less than Middleton's.

EDIT - Simons for Middleton DOES work, although POR would be over the tax by $2mil, would need to fix that by end of fiscal year. So I stand corrected, that could work, straight up + MIL 31' 1st and and 31' 2nd (they literally have no other draft capital to trade). POR could also ask for Beauchamp (why?) or AJ Johnson in a secondary trade with one of Reath\Banton\Walker going back in exchange (again, not sure why?). The (2) young guys I would be most interested in are Tyler Smith\Jackson Jr, though they make too little to find a player to make a deal (unless POR cut Banton, signed a 2-way guy to minimum deal (not sure what vet status our 2-way guys even have? Would have to be ) or 1 yr of service)

[dckingsfan]

I figure the pick protection could be something along the lines of 'lower of ORL / DEN 2025 FRP lotto protected - if both picks are in lotto PDX recieves 2 future SRP'.

Hedges ORL very well to ensure they dont give up a good FRP. Could even make it Top-20 protected and I would still do it.

I guess it is always easier to shoot down a trade than make a proposal... sorry about that.

And yes, ANY FRP that allows us to move Simons for contracts that expire at the same time is a win. Plus, Jett will be another of those long wings that can shoot a 3.

One thing - the trade doesn't work

Gary Harris can't be traded until December 15th, then it would work. Probably something like a 3 for 2 \preferably 3 for 3

Simons and (1) of Walker\Reath\Banton for Anthony\Harris\Howard & either ORL or DEN 25' 1st.

I do not see the inclusion of that pick as an issue, as either pick will likely be mid\late 1st & ORL has (2) 1st's in 2025. The negotiating IMO would be over whether POR can get the better\worse of the two.

I don't see any want\need for ORL to tank this year. Banchero is not out for the year (2 months most likely) and the EC is in flux enough that they can still make the playoffs while missing him for a major part of the year. Adding a scorer like Simons could help offset the scoring loss of Banchero, and they are not giving away any rotation players of note in order to get him. That is a win\win.

ORL is $20.5mil!! under the luxury tax, so they could take 1-2 players back along with Simons and still stay well under the tax.

A side benefit of sending (2) other players back with Simons (3 for 3 deal) is that it would shave another $4-5mil off their payroll, getting them to $7-8mil under the luxury tax, which could be useful in future trades.

I'll play the devil's advocate on this one. If Paolo is out for 2 months (or possibly longer) then the best Orlando would probably do is the play-in. I think that Indiana, Philly and Milwaukee will all pass Orlando. When I say tank (I mean that I don't think they go all in to move up a spot or two (low play-in vs. high play-in) and give up cap flexibility and draft assets.

They would really need to be sold on Simons to do that trade (IMO) to give up on Howard and a 1st. I am not sold that Denver's pick won't be in the low 20s (unless they make a trade) and Orlando's pick won't be in the mid-teens.

Let me put it another way. Do you give up an 11th pick (Howard) + 20th pick in 2025 for Simons? I wouldn't.

And Orlando will want that cap space for 2026 to resign Paolo. So, that might be a reason that they would do the deal but then they are doing a 2-year rental if you will.

Now on Portland's side, hell yes. I think Jett could end up being a solid starting SG at 6'8" who can hit the 3. Portland gets another '25 draft pick. And we do addition by subtraction moving Simons to balance the roster. If I am Portland, I do this in a heartbeat.

[tester551]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

I'm not interested in Howard.

How about this:

Cole Anthony + Garry Harris + LP '25 FRP (better of Orlando/Denver)
for
Simons + Walker

[DaVoiceMaster]

What did the Warriors get for Poole? That's about what the Blazers can expect for Poole. I'd love a first pick, but that may be wishful thinking.

[Wizenheimer]

What did the Warriors get for Poole? That's about what the Blazers can expect for Poole. I'd love a first pick, but that may be wishful thinking.

the Warriors got Chris Paul

but they traded:

• Patrick Baldwin Jr.
• Jordan Poole
• Ryan Rollins
• 2027 second round pick (?-?)
• 2030 draft pick (first round protected top 20, else second round) (?-?)
• cash considerations

they had to add picks to get rid of Poole

[DaVoiceMaster]

What did the Warriors get for Poole? That's about what the Blazers can expect for Poole. I'd love a first pick, but that may be wishful thinking.

the Warriors got Chris Paul

but they traded:

• Patrick Baldwin Jr.
• Jordan Poole
• Ryan Rollins
• 2027 second round pick (?-?)
• 2030 draft pick (first round protected top 20, else second round) (?-?)
• cash considerations

they had to add picks to get rid of Poole

I'd sooner let him expire than attach a pick to him. Doesn't he have just 1 year left after this season?

[Wizenheimer]

What did the Warriors get for Poole? That's about what the Blazers can expect for Poole. I'd love a first pick, but that may be wishful thinking.

the Warriors got Chris Paul

but they traded:

• Patrick Baldwin Jr.
• Jordan Poole
• Ryan Rollins
• 2027 second round pick (?-?)
• 2030 draft pick (first round protected top 20, else second round) (?-?)
• cash considerations

they had to add picks to get rid of Poole

I'd sooner let him expire than attach a pick to him. Doesn't he have just 1 year left after this season?

yes...this year and next. But I'd worry that Cronin will re-sign him for 35-40M/year

at this point, I'd settle for an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick or two. Addition by subtraction

[zzaj]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

[BlazersBroncos]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

Expiring and 3-4 SRP seems about right.

He is about as much of a PG as Lou Williams. Even a team like ORL who could alleviate his bad PG play with their above average playmaking from SG (Suggs) SF (Franz) and PF (Paolo) probably has watched this and been like - well he isnt even combo-guard level at playmaking.

Simons is a tiny SG who cant play defense. Thats what he has always been and what he always will be.

I mean simply clearing Simons off the books for that extra year, handing the microwave bench scorer spot to Banton and coming out with a few SRP sounds really nice right now.

[Pattycakes]

Hoping that Paolo getting hurt and Cole being trash this year can open up some Simons to ORL coversations.

I would be fine with Cole + Howard + lower 25 FRP + 3 future SRP for Simons.

Think Simons value is EC and a low FRP - but here we take on an extra year of Cole so we snag some SRP and Jett to offset that.

I'm not interested in Howard.

How about this:

Cole Anthony + Garry Harris + LP '25 FRP (better of Orlando/Denver)
for
Simons + Walker

A recent lotto pick has to be more interesting than Gary Harris in 2024

[Wizenheimer]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

at 27M/year, I doubt he has much positive value. But I'm not sure if his crappy start to this season is impacting his value much. Maybe a little because this is the first time he's been the starting PG and as you say, it hasn't been pretty. I think the other 29 teams have the full book on what Simons is, and what he isn't, and there's no 1st round trade value in the summary

of course, Grant has been absolutely terrible too and that's not helping.