Portland - 2016 Offseason

DusterBuster · Post #801 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:02 pm

If this news of Dwight being interested in the Knicks is true, it's some insight for where his head is at. If he wants to go to a loser franchise like the Knicks, then he clearly cares more about being in a big city and nightlife more than actually winning.

Waynearchetype · Post #802 » by **Waynearchetype** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:07 pm

Here is my list of potential lottery day trades for the Blazers and what they'll mean going forward:

The Obvious: Cavs future first for a mid 20s pick. The Blazers send out a future asset to a team that either has too many firsts and couldn't find a big deal(celts/sixers) or a team that isn't interested in taking on capspace.
What it means: Not much. Continuing Olsheys theme of trying to compete while fostering young talent.
Likelyhood: high.

The Center: Mason Plumlee or Ed Davis for a mid first (probably late teens).
What it means: Hold on to your butts, we are tightening up the rotation because Olshey is confident in signing a new Center.
Likelyhood: medium

The PF: Noah Vonleh for a late first/early second.
What it means: Blazers clear a small amount of capspace. Likely bringing back Harkless after his and Animus success holding down the PF spot. Lack of faith in Vonleh.
Likelyhood: low.

The Paul Allen Special: Buy a mid second.
What it means: Paul Allen likes to buy things. Doesn't mean a whole lot.
Likelyhood: Always likely.

Masterfully · Post #803 » by **Masterfully** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:07 pm

ATL blowing things up. I wonder about a Vonleh for Millsap swap.

DusterBuster · Post #804 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:20 pm

Knicks just got Derrick Rose for Robin Lopez and Calderon. Opens up that C spot for Howard. :roll:

PDXKnight · Post #805 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:30 pm

Masterfully wrote:ATL blowing things up. I wonder about a Vonleh for Millsap swap.

Isn't millsap a ufa?

Masterfully · Post #806 » by **Masterfully** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:32 pm

Oden2 wrote:
Masterfully wrote:ATL blowing things up. I wonder about a Vonleh for Millsap swap.

Isn't millsap a ufa?

One year left, then an option.

Horford is a UFA.

zzaj · Post #807 » by **zzaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:33 pm

Masterfully wrote:ATL blowing things up. I wonder about a Vonleh for Millsap swap.

That would be pretty massive for Portland. My guess is that the ATL/IND/UTA trade was more to just open up playing time for Schroder.

I will laugh my ass off and consider my prayers answered if Dwight goes to the Knicks.

GreenRiddler · Post #808 » by **GreenRiddler** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:38 pm

Plumlee, Cle's 1st, Pat Con, Rights to Daniel Diez.

Those 4 pieces should be enough to get one of Phx Toronto Bos' or Den's mid 1st pick. Those teams don't want 2-4 rookies from this draft two of them have playoffs on the mind.

Also out of Dal Mil NY and Orl we are the best built team with the brightest future. If that is our competition for Howard he should be all ours. If he chooses any of those teams ahead of us we shouldn't even be bothered as it was for a reason unrelated to basketball.

Still I like those odds if those teams are the competition.

Waynearchetype · Post #809 » by **Waynearchetype** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:40 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:Plumlee, Cle's 1st, Pat Con, Rights to Daniel Diez.

Those 4 pieces should be enough to get one of Phx Toronto Bo's or Den's mid 1st pick. This teams don't want 2-4 rookies from this draft two of them have playoffs on the mind.

Also out of Dal Mil NY and Orl we are the best built team with the brightest future. If that is our competition for Howard he should be all ours. If he chooses any of those teams ahead of us we shouldn't even be bothered as it was for a reason unrelated to basketball.

Still I like those odds if those teams are the competition.

It isn't just Howard. First option should still be Whiteside, then Horford/Howard. We're still Portland, and it'll still be a tough time to attract a max. But, if there is a year that it happens this one is looking bright.

GreenRiddler · Post #810 » by **GreenRiddler** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:46 pm

AllMyNeilOlshey wrote:
zzaj wrote:Locking up a trio of Lillard/CJ/Dwight to max contracts would be a complete waste of Lillard's good years on first round exits.

Or we could waste Lillards good years with Plumlee as the starting center. I don't mean to sound condescending but I just don't see how you turn down Dwight if he wants to come here. We never get free agents and I just don't know what an alternative team looks like that is worse then having Dwight.

I have no doubt that if Dwight says he wants to sign here there is like 0 chance we say no. Unless Kevin Durant walks through that door we put ink to paper.

Whether he works out here is debatable but there is zero chance we turn down one of the best defensive rim protecting centers of the past 10 years when we really don't have any.

Masterfully · Post #811 » by **Masterfully** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:59 pm

I like what NY is doing. If Rose, Melo and Howard stay healthy they could make some noise. Chances are about 1/10, but that's a better chance than just going with Melo and Lopez.

If they wanted to go into full Nets-mode they could also trade Zinger for another aging superstar and make a mini run.

DusterBuster · Post #812 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:03 pm

At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

In other questionable C news, apparently the Blazers are no longer interested in Monroe, so don't be looking for him to be a Blazer anytime soon.

Fitz303 · Post #813 » by **Fitz303** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:06 pm

DusterBuster wrote:At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

In other questionable C news, apparently the Blazers are no longer interested in Monroe, so don't be looking for him to be a Blazer anytime soon.

Where did you see that he wants to be in NY? I haven't seen any of that on twitter, and blazersedge just had a thing saying that Howard is likely to visit Portland once FA starts

DusterBuster · Post #814 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:07 pm

Fitz303 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

In other questionable C news, apparently the Blazers are no longer interested in Monroe, so don't be looking for him to be a Blazer anytime soon.

Where did you see that he wants to be in NY? I haven't seen any of that on twitter, and blazersedge just had a thing saying that Howard is likely to visit Portland once FA starts

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242322/Dwight-Howard-Interested-In-Signing-With-Knicks

Waynearchetype · Post #815 » by **Waynearchetype** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:09 pm

Fitz303 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

In other questionable C news, apparently the Blazers are no longer interested in Monroe, so don't be looking for him to be a Blazer anytime soon.

Where did you see that he wants to be in NY? I haven't seen any of that on twitter, and blazersedge just had a thing saying that Howard is likely to visit Portland once FA starts

An article was put up here a while ago. I definitely don't think Rose is going to convince anyone to go over to the Knicks though. Clearing Lopez could mean a few things. They could want to run Zingi @ C, Melo @ PF. They could think they can sign any of the big ticket C's, or they could just be clearing the way for a full rebuild by clearing capspace.

DusterBuster · Post #816 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:15 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:
Fitz303 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

In other questionable C news, apparently the Blazers are no longer interested in Monroe, so don't be looking for him to be a Blazer anytime soon.

Where did you see that he wants to be in NY? I haven't seen any of that on twitter, and blazersedge just had a thing saying that Howard is likely to visit Portland once FA starts

An article was put up here a while ago. I definitely don't think Rose is going to convince anyone to go over to the Knicks though. Clearing Lopez could mean a few things. They could want to run Zingi @ C, Melo @ PF. They could think they can sign any of the big ticket C's, or they could just be clearing the way for a full rebuild by clearing capspace.

Logically yes, no one should see this deal and think, yep, this team is gonna be great. However, some players aren't exactly known for thinking about things logically. Howard could easily fall into that. Not great with self-awareness and knowing whats the best fit outside of "Big city + big names = winning".

Downtown · Post #817 » by **Downtown** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:15 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:It isn't just Howard. First option should still be Whiteside, then Horford/Howard. We're still Portland, and it'll still be a tough time to attract a max. But, if there is a year that it happens this one is looking bright.

I think that would also be my order for a centre but I don't see it happening. But if I were Olshey I would be trying my best.

zzaj · Post #818 » by **zzaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:15 pm

Rolo and this stage Dwight are fairly close to being the same player...the difference is Rolo is getting better every year and Dwight is getting worse.

I agree with Knicks fans that they got absolutely robbed in the deal. They will have lots of cap room next season, however...

Joshumitsu · Post #819 » by **Joshumitsu** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:18 pm

DusterBuster wrote:At this rate, I don't have high hopes for Howard to sign here. He wants to be in NY and they just opened up the space for him to join with the Rose deal.

Well, it doesn't exactly mean Dwight's out of the conversation. Portland still matches up with his desires: a winning team that shares the ball but can also pay him. It doesn't hurt that the Blazers can shoot extremely well, something which benefits Howard's game tremendously. Hence, a team of Lewis-Nelson-Turk-Howard outperforms a team w/ Gasol-Kobe-Nash-Howard. Even Harden worked well with Howard to an extent (imo, it's just that the rest of the team sucked outside of one or two roleplayers...that's why Rockets were such underperformers the past year or so).

To put it into perspective, Melo and Rose are ball dominant. Porzingis needs touches inside, just like Dwight. None of them are excellent 3 pt shooters. Thus, it may not be what Howard wants. This is probably something Neil will have to address with Dwight.

Otherwise, I can see the Knicks going for Gasol and/or Horford if they don't get Howard. Trading for Rose actually gives them a win-win even if they don't win the Dwight sweepstakes.

Waynearchetype · Post #820 » by **Waynearchetype** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:23 pm

The more I think about it, Dwight can't be that dense to really consider NY his #1 option. That ego + that fanbase that will regularly boo its own players. That is a mess waiting to happen. Probably just his Agent trying to rise his value.

Might actually be worth it for the train-wreck viewing. Looking at Knicks boards they're thinking this is more about Zingis to C, which they view as his better position.