Tim Lehrbach wrote:I need to watch Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, and Cedric Coward. These three names seem likely to be in the mix, given the volume of mentions here and in the greater draftosphere. Also drawing my attention are Will Riley, Nolan Traore, and Yaxel Lendeborg, but I've not formed opinions yet.
Most of the guys I've been watching lately haven't merited deep dives or detailed posts (just IMO!): Murray-Boyles, Fleming, Queen, Demin... I don't see an effective NBA player in that mix.
The chatter around this draft has been interesting: from a couple years back it was "ZOMG THE FLAGG-BAILEY-HARPER DRAFT" ... which gave way during the past college season to most folks thinking that's a pretty ordinary top three, followed by not a whole lot else ... now most are talking up the depth of this draft beyond some overhyped likely lottery swings. I'm not sold on this latest trend. I think we get excited about a larger pool of prospects in nearly every draft (a couple years are exceptions, when everybody thinks the draft will suck), but not all years are equal. I just haven't seen enough to like in most of the guys who are rising up draft boards these days. I do need to study harder, but as I've discussed here, my instincts to dismiss a prospect generally serve me well. I am more likely to overrate a prospect who will do nothing in the league than I am to undersell a future star. So, it is in that light that I share my general opinion, so far, that this draft is gathering more steam than I believe it merits. I just don't think I'm missing a bunch of studly prospects here. I did name six above whom I have not ruled out yet, but we'll see...
BlazersBroncos wrote:Most of the guys I've been watching lately haven't merited deep dives or detailed posts (just IMO!): Murray-Boyles, Fleming, Queen, Demin... I don't see an effective NBA player in that mix.
I am close to being with you here.
CMB and Queen are not on my board - for the Blazers at least. I see CMB as a late R1 / early R2 swing who might be a nice hustle player (In RHJ / Vandy mold). Queen is a C who doesnt shoot the 3, doesnt protect the rim and has a physical archetype that just hasnt worked in the modern NBA really. I REALLY dislike both as prospects. I see Rhondae-Hollis Jefferson and Jarred Sullinger.
I think Fleming is more of a Jalen Smith than some super long SF. He has the metrics and measurables but on the floor he is very stiff and really doesnt have a great feel for the game. I see a small ball C who can space the floor but is never going to amount to the sum of his parts. I think he can be a rotation player like Jalen Smith but dont see a starter due to his really slow processing and meh feel.
Demin is getting these comps to Giddey but Josh is pretty phenominal at creating room for himself using his large frame, start/stop motions and just little things to get his man off balance. I see none of this in Demin. I can see a guy like Marko Jaric - nice tall secondary PG who is passable on defense and has big swings in terms of shooting year over year (IE 37% 3PT on season, 30% the next). I would take him late teens if we got a second pick because I like the idea of running a huge team but I dont see much chance he is a upper tier starter - and think he is a considerably worse prospect than Giddey.
Noa to me has Shawn Marion potential. Elite at cutting, monster in the open court, passable J (I actually really like his form - reminds me of Batum). I see alot of Jim Jackson in Coward. Well built, able to play SG or SF, above average at basically everything across the board.
I think turning Simons into a second FRP and finding a way to get Noa and Coward would be incredible - but think end of the day Noa is gone before we pick at 11 - and likely Coward is gone before any reasonable FRP we could get for Simons is up.
I am with both of you here - although I did buy into the Queen hype for quite some time. I still think he could be good going to the right team - and that isn't Portland given this current coach's desire to put a defensive team on the floor.
I would be happy with any of Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, Cedric Coward, Nolan Traore or Yaxel Lendeborg. And if you could trade Simons to Orlando for their 16th pick - you could actually get two of the above. That would be shocking and amazing at the same time.