Draft prospects @ 10

Jsun947 · Post #841 » by **Jsun947** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

Why would we fire him for it? Because he drafted a rookie of the year, had a roster with 5 rookies on it, a top 10 pick and couldn't turn us into a contender in two years? Dramatic improvement this year is a must. If we're competitive in the playoffs is about all you can ask for. Injuries and match ups in the first round are always a little luck of the draw. I don't think he's made a bad decision yet.

You can put away your jump to conclusion mat now.

lukeyrid13 · Post #842 » by **lukeyrid13** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:02 pm

I keep changing my mind on what I want but here's what I'm thinking right now

3 team trade:

Blazers trade #10, 39, 40, Meyers Leonard, Papaagdfgaa(sp?)
Receive: #5(Oladipo) and Gortat

Mavs Trade: 13
Receive: Papa, 39, 40

Suns Trade: Gortat, 5
Receive: 10, 13, Leonard

We fill a couple of holes and still maintain a lot of cap flexibility

Jsun947 · Post #843 » by **Jsun947** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:04 pm

I don't think the mavs will trade that pick for a euro and 2nd rounders. It's 10 cents on the dollar.

lukeyrid13 · Post #844 » by **lukeyrid13** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:06 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I don't think the mavs will trade that pick for a euro and 2nd rounders. It's 10 cents on the dollar.

Probably not, one can only hope. I have a felling they're gonna want someone to take on Marion to move the 13th which is never going to happen. I wonder if taking on Vince Carter and giving them some cash would help sway them?

SinceClyde · Post #845 » by **SinceClyde** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:12 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I don't think the mavs will trade that pick for a euro and 2nd rounders. It's 10 cents on the dollar.

All depends on what their end goal is. Since Mavs end goal is cap space, it could be a good trade for them. The 13th pick is 1.6 million. They could use their second rounds on draft and stash or use one at low salary. 1.6 million doesn't sound like much, but there is a big difference when so many other teams are offering max money.

Jsun947 · Post #846 » by **Jsun947** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:36 pm

I agree, they'll use it to try and move other salary.

I think there are a few teams that would consider a trade of TPE for Marion+#13...

Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, Charlotte to name a few. They are clearly in rebuild mode, are super low in salary, and are more than likely ok with tanking for next year. Why not add another lottery pick?

cucad8 · Post #847 » by **cucad8** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:38 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I agree, they'll use it to try and move other salary.

I think there are a few teams that would consider a trade of TPE for Marion+#13...

Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, Charlotte to name a few. They are clearly in rebuild mode, are super low in salary, and are more than likely ok with tanking for next year. Why not add another lottery pick?

Because they'd be taking on over 9 million in salary for the 13th pick in what's called a bad draft. Seems like a big chunk of change to take on.

lukeyrid13 · Post #848 » by **lukeyrid13** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:40 pm

Adding 9 mil is a lot to get an extra pick though. Really the Mavs should have gone the same way as the Blazers and embraced the suck. Instead they signed guys like Kaman, Brand and Mayo when everyone knew they were a treadmill team. Phoenix as well and now they're saddled with Beasley's salary.

Jsun947 · Post #849 » by **Jsun947** » Wed May 22, 2013 5:12 pm

If your team's payroll is under 90% of the salary cap then you have to pay the difference anyway. They might as well spend 9 mil to get the pick than spend 9 mil on nothing. I don't think many of those teams are especially interested in signing mediocre players to long term deals just for the sake of it.

Post #850 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed May 22, 2013 6:50 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I agree, they'll use it to try and move other salary.

I think there are a few teams that would consider a trade of TPE for Marion+#13...

Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, Charlotte to name a few. They are clearly in rebuild mode, are super low in salary, and are more than likely ok with tanking for next year. Why not add another lottery pick?

Marion+#13 to Cleveland for their two second round picks makes some sense.

Marion expires next year, leaving Cleveland with all the capspace to get LeBron. Gives them a good fill in at SF until then though, to show LBJ they can be competitive.

Clears a bunch of salary for Dallas and nets them some valuable unguaranteed picks.

jhern87 · Post #851 » by **jhern87** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:21 am

Just give me Gobert at 10 and fill holes in FA.

Norm2953 · Post #852 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:57 am

I'd like to see a workout with Adams and Gobert for both players are likely two years away
from playing regular minutes but offer us what we likely would not get from Meyers.

To me, what we need to do is to add some physicality to next years roster for Gobert
has no bulk to hold position and Adams lacks experience. We need to find a way to
add a 250+ lb player to replace JJ and are going to get serious abused under the
basket next if we expect either Adams or Gobert to replace JJ.

TBpup · Post #853 » by **TBpup** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:06 am

Mock Draft with Team Needs: Lots of changes to come in these Mocks before Draft Day but it's interesting to see what the prognosticators think teams directions are. Curiously enough, in this mock, two of the players in the 1st round are compared to Blazers.

http://www.nbadraft.net/extended-nba-mock-draft-40

Post #854 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:19 am

TBpup wrote:Mock Draft with Team Needs: Lots of changes to come in these Mocks before Draft Day but it's interesting to see what the prognosticators think teams directions are. Curiously enough, in this mock, two of the players in the 1st round are compared to Blazers.

http://www.nbadraft.net/extended-nba-mock-draft-40

Saric???

And the Blazers don't have a position of need??

I am flabbergasted. I admit I don't know the internationals very well but it sounds like he lacks foot speed to defend the perimeter and strength to defend the post. Needs a lot of work on his shot. His best qualities are his ball handling, passing and IQ - but he might lack the quickness necessary for these skills to translate. I don't see him being an upgrade on either Batum or Aldridge, so what, our lottery pick is destined to be a bench player?

Schroeder to OKC? When they have Westbrook and a good looking Jackson at the PG position?

I also still don't see Shabazz dropping to Boston. Their rational: "Boston usually does a good job of maximizing talent at their picks". Gee, I'm glad to know other teams will let Shabazz slip so Boston can maximize their talent.

I think its a terrible mock. The only picks that make sense given who is still on the board is Porter to the Wiz, Burke to the Pelicans and McCollum to the Pistons.

TBpup · Post #855 » by **TBpup** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:44 am

DeBlazerRiddem....agreed some of those team analysis comments seem way off base so in this case it is fodder to laugh at. :lol:

Jsun947 wrote:
I don't think the mavs will trade that pick for a euro and 2nd rounders. It's 10 cents on the dollar.

They will probably try to off-load Carter or Marion but the Blazer can offer the $3MM plus the rights to a good foreign player in 'Papa' who won't count against their cap. Papa is said to have been a lottery pick if he was coming out this year.

AllMyNeilOlshey · Post #856 » by **AllMyNeilOlshey** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:03 am

I have been an advocate that this draft wasn't all that bad but if your taking nbadraft.net player comparisons seriously then good lord is this draft terrible. A couple players I like, in order, are Oladipo, Zeller, Adams, Muhammad, and Ryan Kelly. Im a Duke fan and I think Kelly is severely underrated.

Joshumitsu · Post #857 » by **Joshumitsu** » Thu May 23, 2013 11:39 pm

Oladipo will be somewhere between a Randy Foye that plays defense or a better Wes Mathews. Seeing as how we already have Mathews and seeing as how we prefer a 'ROY' over a Foye, I'd make the unpopular choice and skip on this guy. I keep getting a feeling that he's a player who had some great performances during the year but won't translate as well into the NBA.

Shabazz=Ruben Patterson, Vince Carter, and Caron Butler. He will get better as time progresses and rather than hog the ball, I think we will see him pass more in Stotts offense especially since he has true high quality players to pass to. As someone who was and is still high on Drummond and Barnes, I feel he will go a similar route. This draft will have few all-star quality players (I use the term lightly). Shabazz is one of them.

Otto Porter is a versatile, all-around type of guy. He is in the mould of Tayshaun, Odom, and Marion aka the type of players extremely useful in championship runs. The only major problem is that Batum is as well. Also, he's likely to go top 3.

Gobert is a rare specimen. I don't think he'll ever be the scorer Pekovic is. But he's definitely got a bit of Gortat and Shawn Bradley in him. Kind of a French Drummond if you think of Batum as a kind of French Durant. Worth it if Shabazz or Porter is gone at #10.

Michael Carter Williams is a taller, longer Nolan Smith who will handle and play defense for us. Would prefer picking up Tyreke Evans in free agency instead.

Zeller is between Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge. In that way, he'll be similar to Kevin McHale or Tim Duncan minus the defense and starpower. He'll surprise some people, for sure. Wouldn't draft him since we have Aldridge.

a_sensei · Post #858 » by **a_sensei** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:47 am

I am not going to make judgements on specific players. I haven't watched enough college ball. The one thing I will say is that if the Blazers stay at 10 they need to draft BPA. Don't care who is in front of him on the depth chart. Golden State drafter Curry when they had Ellis. Then drafted Thompson when they had Curry and Ellis. Pacers drafted George when their best player was a just entering his prime Granger. Even the Blazers drafting Z-Bo when they had 'Sheed. Teams that just go for need in the late lottery tend to draft guys that can't play, like the Sonics drafting Petro, Swift and Sene in 3 consecutive drafts.

Wizenheimer · Post #859 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:57 am

a_sensei wrote:I am not going to make judgements on specific players. I haven't watched enough college ball. The one thing I will say is that if the Blazers stay at 10 they need to draft BPA. Don't care who is in front of him on the depth chart. Golden State drafter Curry when they had Ellis. Then drafted Thompson when they had Curry and Ellis. Pacers drafted George when their best player was a just entering his prime Granger. Even the Blazers drafting Z-Bo when they had 'Sheed. Teams that just go for need in the late lottery tend to draft guys that can't play, like the Sonics drafting Petro, Swift and Sene in 3 consecutive drafts.

or Portland drafting PG's time and time again, except of course in the 1 year they didn't when Chris Paul & Deron Williams were available....good call

GreenRiddler · Post #860 » by **GreenRiddler** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:21 am

That's why I wouldn't be oppose to drafting Zeller this year regardless of LMA. I am one of his huge supporters and don't think their is a reasonable trade out there for him, but I still wouldn't mind drafting Zeller, cause you never know. Paul George is a good example of that.