What to do with Brogdon and Williams

[Goldbum]

Since this is kind of the defacto trade thread I wanted to share a tid bit that I've heard from 2 NBA front office sources.
Teams are interested in trading for Reath then converting him to an NBA contract. That is why we haven't converted him yet ourselves because he won't be tradable once he recently signed. Nothing is happening but it's being explored

[tester551]

Since this is kind of the defacto trade thread I wanted to share a tid bit that I've heard from 2 NBA front office sources.
Teams are interested in trading for Reath then converting him to an NBA contract. That is why we haven't converted him yet ourselves because he won't be tradable once he recently signed. Nothing is happening but it's being explored

Thanks for the information...
That makes a lot of sense - and is something that I didn't consider. Reath has been super solid. He definitely deserves a full NBA contract, but he sort of misses our timeline.

Also that would provide some logic as to why Moses Brown wasn't cut prior to his contract becoming fully guaranteed.

What teams would need/want Reath?
Just doing a quick scan, I think the following teams could be suitors (especially with his ability to stretch the floor):
Knicks, Celtics, Brooklyn, Cavs, Warriors, Clippers, Heat, Bucks, New Orleans, Philly, Suns

I think more teams would prefer a player like Olynyk but at his $12M contract, it would be easier to acquire Reath.

[BlazersBroncos]

How can a player whos salary doesnt count against the cap be traded? I honestly wasnt aware that was possible.

I 100% would move him ASAP - he is 27 and doesnt fit the timeline at all.

[tester551]

How can a player whos salary doesnt count against the cap be traded? I honestly wasnt aware that was possible.

I 100% would move him ASAP - he is 27 and doesnt fit the timeline at all.

It's just like having rights to a player and trading them after you draft them. Happens frequently.

You'll hear in trades that "Team xxxx traded for yyyy and the rights to zzzz".

It may all be a moot point now. Brown is having surgery.
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2024/01/trail-blazers-moses-brown-to-under-go-wrist-surgery.html

[KnicksManiac]

I would love for the Knicks to target Reath in any potential Brogdon deal.

Fournier + any protected first we own (Dallas, Washington, Detroit, or Milwaukee) + any future second round pick for Brogdon & Reath.

I’d like to make the trade today so we can get them in uniform by game time tomorrow!

[BlazersBroncos]

I would love for the Knicks to target Reath in any potential Brogdon deal.

Fournier + any protected first we own (Dallas, Washington, Detroit, or Milwaukee) + any future second round pick for Brogdon & Reath.

I’d like to make the trade today so we can get them in uniform by game time tomorrow!

Ya, I am totally cool with this. Would probably ask for 2 SRP though -

Fournier + WAS FRP + BRK 25 SRP + NYK 28 SRP for Brogdan + Reath

[KnicksManiac]

I would love for the Knicks to target Reath in any potential Brogdon deal.

Fournier + any protected first we own (Dallas, Washington, Detroit, or Milwaukee) + any future second round pick for Brogdon & Reath.

I’d like to make the trade today so we can get them in uniform by game time tomorrow!

Ya, I am totally cool with this. Would probably ask for 2 SRP though -

Fournier + WAS FRP + BRK 25 SRP + NYK 28 SRP for Brogdan + Reath

You have a deal. I’ll fax it in to the league office.

[Goldbum]

I would love for the Knicks to target Reath in any potential Brogdon deal.

Fournier + any protected first we own (Dallas, Washington, Detroit, or Milwaukee) + any future second round pick for Brogdon & Reath.

I’d like to make the trade today so we can get them in uniform by game time tomorrow!

I think that makes sense for the Knicks. I'm hearing (from only one source so I haven't posted it yet...so please consider that as I hate to share without 2 sources. So I can't speak firmly to the credibility) that Portland is expecting the equivalent of 2 firsts for Brogdan. That could be a first and a young guy they would trade a first for...2 firsts or a guy they like + 1st and some seconds. We'll see but as more players leave the market his value will go up to teams seriously considering a move. I honestly have no idea about the Reath price...maybe he's factored into that expectation maybe not. Could even be Reath + Matisse after January 15th.
I think if someone offer 2 firsts thay likely take it now. If not I expect them to hold out till the bitter end trying to maximize value.

[red_power]

I wonder if waiving Mays and Wainright means a trade is coming. Or they simply needed to cut someone to create roster spots for Reath and Ibaji? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I think Blazers need to move Tisse ASAP as well. With Camara and Murray, who appears to play decent enough to secure some stable PT on a tanking team, Thybulle is just absolutely an odd fit.

[Norm2953]

Portland really does not need another 2024 FRP in any potential Brogdon trade

[tester551]

I wonder if waiving Mays and Wainright means a trade is coming. Or they simply needed to cut someone to create roster spots for Reath and Ibaji? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I think Blazers need to move Tisse ASAP as well. With Camara and Murray, who appears to play decent enough to secure some stable PT on a tanking team, Thybulle is just absolutely an odd fit.

Disagree.
Thybulle is one player you never have to worry about giving effort on the court. I absolutely love his fit with the team.

Portland really does not need another 2024 FRP in any potential Brogdon trade

Agree. The team is already young enough. I'd much rather have picks in the '26 or '27 drafts.

[BlazersBroncos]

Another agree on the 24 picks - we have 2 and the draft looks pretty poor.

Also think Matisse is a keeper - Grant is the one that should go. (Hopefully SAC strikes out on Pascal and pivots to Grant).

If BB has a 2 pick asking price he isnt getting traded IMO. Thats a big overvalue.

[Dame Lizard]

I love Matisse, but I'd prefer that we trade him. He'll be a free agent in 1.5 seasons time (he has a player option and if he keeps up his level of performance will surely test FA) plus he agreed to a contract with Dallas (which was structured for us not to match), so I'd rather secure an asset from him then lose him for nothing. His value is at it's peak now.

[Norm2953]

I think the trade with the knicks would be Brogdon for a lottery protected FRP in the 2025
draft.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think the trade with the knicks would be Brogdon for a lottery protected FRP in the 2025
draft.

I dont think NYK will trade one of their own FRP and potentially wreck a chance to offer a 3/3 for a star at some point.

The pick would likely be a choice of the DAL 24, WAS protected or DET protected.

I like the WAS protected the most personally (24 Top-12, 25 Top-10, 26 Top-8) vs the DET protected pick (24 Top-18, 25 Top-13, 26 Top-11, 27 Top-9) - dont really have interest in the DAL 24.

[tester551]

I like the WAS protected the most personally (24 Top-12, 25 Top-10, 26 Top-8) vs the DET protected pick (24 Top-18, 25 Top-13, 26 Top-11, 27 Top-9) -

Why is that?

For the '25 & '26 drafts both the Was pick protections are 3 slots lower than the Det protection. I get the slight advantage there... but I think it's only slight.

However, with the Det pick, you have one extra swing at having the pick convey in the '27 draft. Also, I think Det has more talent on the team. I think there's a high probability the WAS pick expires without conveying just because of the state of their franchise. There's a higher likelihood that Detroit improves with 1 good vet acquisition to fight for the playoffs

[mighty_duck]

I worry that neither DET or WAS will convey, given how poorly run these franchises are. DAL is the bird in the hand...

[zzaj]

I'm starting to wonder if some deal surrounding WCjr for Brogdon might make sense. Both have trouble staying healthy, but the Blazers need PF/C help in the worst way and when healthy WCjr is very versatile on both ends. Plus he's young enough to fit in.

[HoopsFanAZ]

I like Brogdon. Old man pro game.
In with a trade to ORL involving WCJ. Send Timelord, too, unless he’s going to get healthy and be healthy. Really like Timelord.

[JasonStern]

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