Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[Walton1one]

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[Walton1one]

This could be potentially good news for POR IMO (If Cronin actually desires to make a trade)

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Now it certainly could just be posturing, but BRK is already in good position in regards to tanking, and with all that cap space next year and multiple (4!) 1st round picks in next years' draft and another (14!) 1st rounders after 25' and another (15) 2nd round picks after 25', they can afford to keep that price or just hold onto him instead. let's hope they do and no team wants to pay that price.

[zzaj]

This could be potentially good news for POR IMO (If Cronin actually desires to make a trade)

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Now it certainly could just be posturing, but BRK is already in good position in regards to tanking, and with all that cap space next year and multiple (4!) 1st round picks in next years' draft and another (14!) 1st rounders after 25' and another (15) 2nd round picks after 25', they can afford to keep that price or just hold onto him instead. let's hope they do and no team wants to pay that price.

Wow, I didn't realize that Brooklyn had THAT many picks. They are the anti-portland. Good job Sean Marks...brohim knows how to actually tank.

[Walton1one]

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This would be just like LAL to cash in all their chips for Jakob Poetl

TOR is looking to be very active. They are also angling to be a part of the PHX\MIA deal

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TOR, CHI, BRK, WAS, CHA all these teams actively trying to get assets to use to improve their future, while Cronin sits on his hands with his idiotic "This is my price for X player, and unless I get that price I will not trade said player"

The price is what the market will bear Joe. Fundamental concepts 101.

[Walton1one]

Proposed Simons trade discussed by Bill Simmons & Kevin O'Conner

Here is the deal in full:
Portland Trail Blazers Receive
Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
1 First-round pick

Orlando Magic Receive
Anfernee Simons

Discussion here:

https://youtu.be/x9zpv_8_pRI?si=9PTxUZGy6G18ibg1&t=2320

[Walton1one]

According to NBA reporter Marc Stein, the Kings have been "frequently mentioned this month as an aggressive trade suitor for the Nets' sharpshooter, but league sources told The Stein Line on Wednesday that there have been no discussions between the Kings and Nets regarding Johnson for weeks. Sources say that the Kings, at this juncture, do not see a pathway to a workable Johnson deal with the Nets."

Stein added that the Kings are "aggressively exploring their trade options in advance of the deadline but do not appear to be close to the forefront of the Johnson chase as we speak."

Reports have suggested that the two sides might be close to a deal, haggling over draft assets involved, though Stein's report suggested otherwise.

Pulled this from the Kings board.

Who is more stubborn, Ainge\Collins or Cronin\Grant?

[dckingsfan]

According to NBA reporter Marc Stein, the Kings have been "frequently mentioned this month as an aggressive trade suitor for the Nets' sharpshooter, but league sources told The Stein Line on Wednesday that there have been no discussions between the Kings and Nets regarding Johnson for weeks. Sources say that the Kings, at this juncture, do not see a pathway to a workable Johnson deal with the Nets."

Stein added that the Kings are "aggressively exploring their trade options in advance of the deadline but do not appear to be close to the forefront of the Johnson chase as we speak."

Reports have suggested that the two sides might be close to a deal, haggling over draft assets involved, though Stein's report suggested otherwise.

Pulled this from the Kings board.

Who is more stubborn, Ainge\Collins or Cronin\Grant?

Ainge. We both know that Cronin should just do the Grant for Huerter and Lyles trade (and take any SRPs offered).

But that would make Cronin look bad. And it would bust his dream of Simons/Grant/Ayton.

Really, the only way out is the owner lets Cronin go. Do you see that? I don't...

[Walton1one]

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Lavine has a ridiculous salary already AND he would get a trade kicker? Yikes....

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You know what would be great? The rest of the league saying forget this crap and start making deals of their own and the possibilities\trade permeations for MIA drying up and them having to live with that "Butler circus" for the rest of the year and into the offseason, couldn't happen to a better franchise IMO...

Although Barry Jackson is about insufferable as Danny Marang, both are idiots and both should not be taken seriously.

[DusterBuster]

Eric Gunderson was on 1080 The Fan today, basically just echoing the same frustrations we have about “wtf are we doing here”… winning too many games with vets that were here because of Dame and the organization has refused to move. The FO has just not done anything to be given the benefit of the doubt that they will fix the glaring problems holding this team back from a proper rebuild and player development… Cronin seems poised to just sit on his hands again at the deadline, probably 4 of the 5 vets (Ant, Grant, Ayton, Matisse, Rob) will still be on the roster Feb 7, maybe all 5.

Fml. Just a complete waste of two seasons.

[zzaj]

Proposed Simons trade discussed by Bill Simmons & Kevin O'Conner

Here is the deal in full:
Portland Trail Blazers Receive
Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
1 First-round pick

Orlando Magic Receive
Anfernee Simons

Discussion here:

https://youtu.be/x9zpv_8_pRI?si=9PTxUZGy6G18ibg1&t=2320

I'm not sure that works, but if the Blazers can do that deal they should. I'm not a fan of Cole or Jett, but the FRP and broken up salaries are probably enough of an incentive.

[PDXKnight]

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If we can get Beal or lavine and draft capital for something built around ant/ayton I'd have to consider. If they're willing to pay to lose that 3rd year it may be a good selling opportunity. And if not I guess just wait till next year and see if those contracts have any more worth in terms of picks as expirings

[DaVoiceMaster]

Proposed Simons trade discussed by Bill Simmons & Kevin O'Conner

Here is the deal in full:
Portland Trail Blazers Receive
Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
1 First-round pick

Orlando Magic Receive
Anfernee Simons

Discussion here:

https://youtu.be/x9zpv_8_pRI?si=9PTxUZGy6G18ibg1&t=2320

I'm not sure that works, but if the Blazers can do that deal they should. I'm not a fan of Cole or Jett, but the FRP and broken up salaries are probably enough of an incentive.

Agreed, but that's only like $18M coming back. Need to add Harris, but I'd like Da Silva, as well... maybe for Walker?

[zzaj]

Proposed Simons trade discussed by Bill Simmons & Kevin O'Conner



Discussion here:

https://youtu.be/x9zpv_8_pRI?si=9PTxUZGy6G18ibg1&t=2320

I'm not sure that works, but if the Blazers can do that deal they should. I'm not a fan of Cole or Jett, but the FRP and broken up salaries are probably enough of an incentive.

Agreed, but that's only like $18M coming back. Need to add Harris, but I'd like Da Silva, as well... maybe for Walker?

I really doubt they'd part with DaSilva (I was hoping that's who the Blazers would take with 14)...

They may prefer to have Duop over Walker, since he may be easier to move, but IDK if that ends up being worth it for Portland if they can get a 2nd for Duop.

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If we can get Beal or lavine and draft capital for something built around ant/ayton I'd have to consider. If they're willing to pay to lose that 3rd year it may be a good selling opportunity. And if not I guess just wait till next year and see if those contracts have any more worth in terms of picks as expirings

Beal and LaVine literally have the worst contracts in the NBA. Even though Crolshey seems to want to compete sooner than later, at the cost of actually tanking...I can almost promise you that he isn't in the market for either Beal or LaVine.

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If we can get Beal or lavine and draft capital for something built around ant/ayton I'd have to consider. If they're willing to pay to lose that 3rd year it may be a good selling opportunity. And if not I guess just wait till next year and see if those contracts have any more worth in terms of picks as expirings

Beal and LaVine literally have the worst contracts in the NBA. Even though Crolshey seems to want to compete sooner than later, at the cost of actually tanking...I can almost promise you that he isn't in the market for either Beal or LaVine.

Beal's contract is significantly worse than LaVine's. Beal gets paid ~20% more and is a worse player.

But yeah - both are bad contracts.
Embiid and Paul George are two contracts that may look really bad in a year or two as well.

[Walton1one]

I actually proposed a 3-team trade that IMO makes sense b\t CHI\POR\LAL.

Of course, this was with the thought that CHI was looking to pivot to making the play in, but even if they are angling to go the other route, acquiring Ayton & (2) 2nd's for Vucevic & Ball could work as well, Ayton is only 26. Ball is a FA & Vucevic is 34, and they are unlikely to get more than that for Vucevic (they are asking for a 1st). Basically, they get Ayton\Banton for giving POR their pick back, which turns into (1) 2nd if it doesn't convey

and LAL gets Vucevic & Ball, w\o giving up any 1st round picks or a young player (Christie\Knecht\Reaves)

TRADE
CHI sends Vucevic & Ball to LAL and Duarte and POR 1st round pick back to POR

LAL sends Rui, Vincent & JHS to POR, along with a 25' 2nd and sends Vanderbilt & a 25' 2nd to CHI

POR sends Ayton & Banton + a 27 2nd (via MIN) pick to CHI

CHI ends up with - Ayton, Banton & 27 2nd from POR and Vanderbilt & 25 2nd from LAL

LAL ends up with Vucevic & Ball

POR ends up with Duarte, JHS (both expiring), Vincent (2yrs), Rui (2yrs) a 25' 2nd from LAL and their 1st round pick back

POR would have to waive or trade TWO players

EDIT - Actually if POR added Walker or Reath (or both) to the deal, they would only have to waive one player or none. CHI is at 14 contracted players, they send out 3, so they could take back 4 w\o waiving a player

Interesting note, even though CHI is hardcapped @ 1st apron, b\c Banton is a minimum player I think he can be dealt in this trade?

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[Effigy]

I actually proposed a 3-team trade that IMO makes sense b\t CHI\POR\LAL.

Of course, this was with the thought that CHI was looking to pivot to making the play in, but even if they are angling to go the other route, acquiring Ayton & (2) 2nd's for Vucevic & Ball could work as well, Ayton is only 26. Ball is a FA & Vucevic is 34, and they are unlikely to get more than that for Vucevic (they are asking for a 1st). Basically, they get Ayton\Banton for giving POR their pick back, which turns into (1) 2nd if it doesn't convey

and LAL gets Vucevic & Ball, w\o giving up any 1st round picks or a young player (Christie\Knecht\Reaves)

TRADE
CHI sends Vucevic & Ball to LAL and Duarte and POR 1st round pick back to POR

LAL sends Rui, Vincent & JHS to POR, along with a 25' 2nd and sends Vanderbilt & a 25' 2nd to CHI

POR sends Ayton & Banton + a 27 2nd (via MIN) pick to CHI

CHI ends up with - Ayton, Banton & 27 2nd from POR and Vanderbilt & 25 2nd from LAL

LAL ends up with Vucevic & Ball

POR ends up with Duarte, JHS (both expiring), Vincent (2yrs), Rui (2yrs) a 25' 2nd from LAL and their 1st round pick back

POR would have to waive or trade TWO players

EDIT - Actually if POR added Walker or Reath (or both) to the deal, they would only have to waive one player or none. CHI is at 14 contracted players, they send out 3, so they could take back 4 w\o waiving a player

Interesting note, even though CHI is hardcapped @ 1st apron, b\c Banton is a minimum player I think he can be dealt in this trade?

I place no value in that pick personally because I don't think Chicago will ever be cashing it in.

[PDXKnight]

If we can get Beal or lavine and draft capital for something built around ant/ayton I'd have to consider. If they're willing to pay to lose that 3rd year it may be a good selling opportunity. And if not I guess just wait till next year and see if those contracts have any more worth in terms of picks as expirings

Beal and LaVine literally have the worst contracts in the NBA. Even though Crolshey seems to want to compete sooner than later, at the cost of actually tanking...I can almost promise you that he isn't in the market for either Beal or LaVine.

Beal's contract is significantly worse than LaVine's. Beal gets paid ~20% more and is a worse player.

But yeah - both are bad contracts.
Embiid and Paul George are two contracts that may look really bad in a year or two as well.

I'm aware they're bad contracts, but I'd be curious how much those teams would pay to offload the contracts as sufficient draft capital may make it worthwhile to look into

[Walton1one]

Cleveland makes a lot of sense. Just had Dean Wade go down with an injury as well.

They could combine Strus & a guy like Niang, and then either some 2nd round picks (they have 8), a 1st with protections (Can only trade their 31') or a young player (Jaylon Tyson, Emoni Bates?)

Or Okoro\Tyson\Strus gets them a little closer (CLE only takes back $1mil)

CLE is $1.8 over the cap though, so would they be ok with paying more luxury tax?

This was just posted today by Kevin Pelton at ESPN and makes some sense.

Best possible fits: Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings

A Sacramento package built around guard Kevin Huerter and forward Trey Lyles is the most logical offer for Grant, but the Kings would surely prefer to land Cameron Johnson to fill the same role.

Another possibility would be if the Timberwolves are interested in swapping Julius Randle for Grant in pursuit of improved floor spacing with their starting five. Portland could get out of Grant's contract entirely if Randle declines his $29.5 million player option for 2025-26.

Would you trade Grant straight up for Randle and (maybe) a 25' (via UTA) 2nd round pick?

I think a flyer on some of their young players (Miller\MInott\Shannon) could be of interest as well. I don't think POR would have any interest in retaining Randle, and there is a decent chance he could opt out of his final year anyway.

Interestingly enough, his contract descends by $3mil next year. MIN would shave $3.28mil off their payroll this year with this trade, which would save them $4.92mil in luxury tax