The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2nds.

Shem · Post #881 » by **Shem** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:13 am

Step 1: Get the Nets pick by via lottery.

Next up:

Step 2: Draft wisely at the 6th and 11th picks.

Case2012 · Post #882 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:21 am

Damian Lillard at 6 AND Kendall Marshall at 11.

Norm2953 · Post #883 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:29 am

There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

Norm2953 · Post #884 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:32 am

There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

DusterBuster · Post #885 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:32 am

I'm gonna break down the teams from 2-5 and see what the probability is of them taking either Beal or Drummond.....

Here will be the chances: Unlikely, Somewhat Unlikely, Neutral, Somewhat Likely, and Likely.

Charlotte Bobcats

Beal: Neutral - They just need talent, plain and simple. Star talent if possible. They do have Gerald Henderson at SG who was their best player, but that's probably not saying a lot for someone on a 7 win team. However, he is young and has shown some nice signs, so this probably hurts Beals chance of being drafted @ #2.

Drummond: Somewhat Unlikely - I question if Cho and MJ can afford to take the chance on Drummond. He's the highest risk/highest reward guy in this draft. The problem is he's definitely a project on the offensive end and they've already got one of those guys with Biymbo. Pairing Drummond and Biymbo would be an offensive nightmare, they'd struggle to combine for 15ppg. That franchise can't endure another season like they just went through. I think Drummond will be too big of a risk.

Washington Wizards:

Beal: Somewhat Likely - This is another team desperate for a star. They're trying to make Wall that star, but the former #1 overall pick has failed to live up to expectations so far. Jordan Crawford has been serviceable, but doesn't project to be anywhere as good as Beal is expected to be. However, the Wizards also need a SF, maybe worse than a SG. With MKG on the board, I think they likely go with him if the Bobcats pass over him.

Drummond: Unlikely - They just got rid of one headcase C, doubt they want to draft a possible headcase C again. Plus they got Nene back in that trade, so they don't have a big need at C.

Cleveland Cavs:

Beal: Highly Likely - Cavs need to get a potential star to pair with Irving. I could easily see them going with Beal here. The Cavs have a lot of holes in their roster, they need help at SG, SF and depending what they want to do with Verajao, possibly C which leads me to...

Drummond: Neutral - Again, a lot depends on what happens with Verajao. If they keep him, I think he's very unlikely they take Drummond. Too big of a risk over more sure-fire picks at other areas of need.

Sacramento Kings:

Beal: Highly Unlikely - If there's one thing the Kings DON'T need, it's yet another high volume SG like Beal projects to be. With Evans, Jimmer and Thornton, they really don't need another SG.

Drummond: Neutral - Cousins and Drummond could be a decent duo, but Cousins was a lot like Drummond, a potential headcase. They somewhat lucked out with Cousins (who's still got his issues), not sure if they want to take that risk a 2nd time.

DusterBuster · Post #886 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:34 am

SinceClyde wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
SinceClyde wrote:Does the NBA still own the Hornets?

No.

Jonathan Feigen: By the way, the NBA still owns the Hornets. Sale to Benson will go through, but is not yet official. So who handles trade talks? Twitter

per hoopshype

Huh, I had thought that was over and done with awhile ago.

DusterBuster · Post #887 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:34 am

SinceClyde wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
SinceClyde wrote:Does the NBA still own the Hornets?

No.

Jonathan Feigen: By the way, the NBA still owns the Hornets. Sale to Benson will go through, but is not yet official. So who handles trade talks? Twitter

per hoopshype

Huh, I had thought that was over and done with awhile ago.

Case2012 · Post #888 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:38 am

Norm2953 wrote:There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

YES YES YES YES!!!!!!

Case2012 · Post #889 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:38 am

Norm2953 wrote:There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

YES YES YES YES!!!!!!

Norm2953 · Post #890 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:43 am

There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

hondaaccord · Post #891 » by **hondaaccord** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:46 am

I would be happy with Harrison barnes at 6 and Tyler Zeller at 11.

Barnes would be able to play 30 minutes behind Batum and Aldridge. Zeller would be able to start at center and runs the floor well.

I don't like Beal. Good shooters don't shoot that poorly, and we do not need another shooting guard. Martell Webster was also a "good shooter" but he didn't put the ball in the hoop. I also don't trust Florida or Ohio State products.

Walton'sBeard! · Post #892 » by **Walton'sBeard!** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:47 am

Time to buckle up for 4 weeks of hype, rumors, smokescreens and videos of 7 foot prospects shooting over 5 foot athletic trainers.

sabi · Post #893 » by **sabi** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:50 am

First we need to make some assumptions and the first assumption is that the following players will be taken 1-5 in the draft:

A. Davis
MKG
Drummond
T. Robinson
Beal

Which will give us the opportunity to select b/w the following players with our 6th pick:

Barnes
Sullinger
Lamb

Who is our best bet among our realistic options?

Barnes- looks like he will be a good player in the nba maybe even better than what he showed us in college. How does he fit with our current roster? As it stands none of our 2-3's attack the basket effectively and neither does Barnes so he would add little to one of our biggest deficiencies but we are also a bad three point shooting team and he would definitely provide help in that category. Would a sign and trade with batum be possible if we draft Barnes?

Sullinger- I'm confident hell be a nightly double double. I would honestly take him without thinking twice except that I hear he has an injury concern in his legs and the last thing I want is to have another Ohio State Center blow his knees in Portland. Reason for concern but little information at this point to really know.

Lamb- I like him as a prospect a lot but brings similar issues as Barnes in that he doesn't solve our hole in the back court of not having an attacker. Still I like his potential a lot and could make us regret passing on him.

So then we have the players just mentioned going between 6-8 that leaves us with the following players likely going 9 and 10:

Henson
T. Jones
or
Rivers

Leaving us to choose b/w:

Zeller
Marshall
Lillard
and on of Henson, T. Jones or Rivers

Our 11th pick has very good options. I personally would go with either Marshall, Zeller or Rivers.

PDXKnight · Post #894 » by **PDXKnight** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:53 am

BasketCase1 wrote:Would you guys consider trading both of your picks for either Washington or Cleveland's pick?

Not so much. I think quantity is better than quality in the lotto unless you have New Orleans' pick. There is so much talent that while I'm very happy to have the number 6 pick, I think our number 11 pick might almost be equally important when all is said and done.

Niko23 · Post #895 » by **Niko23** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:02 am

Oden2 wrote:
BasketCase1 wrote:Would you guys consider trading both of your picks for either Washington or Cleveland's pick?

Not so much. I think quantity is better than quality in the lotto unless you have New Orleans' pick. There is so much talent that while I'm very happy to have the number 6 pick, I think our number 11 pick might almost be equally important when all is said and done.

I posted on your trade board but would you consider

#6 and #11, salary filler

for

Cleve #4, Cleve #24, Anderson Varejao

I think this all depends if Drummond is still on the board

Case2012 · Post #896 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:04 am

If Ewill was healthy and got starter minutes along side Lillard, we would have a crazy athletic backcourt.

DusterBuster · Post #897 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:06 am

I can only imagine the calls the Blazers must be getting for those picks right now.

The Cleveland deal is interesting if Beal is available.

FA PG
Beal
Batum
Aldridge
Varejao

Not bad.

Overall, I'm just excited for all the options the Blazers have.

Case2012 · Post #898 » by **Case2012** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:06 am

Niko23 wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
BasketCase1 wrote:Would you guys consider trading both of your picks for either Washington or Cleveland's pick?

Not so much. I think quantity is better than quality in the lotto unless you have New Orleans' pick. There is so much talent that while I'm very happy to have the number 6 pick, I think our number 11 pick might almost be equally important when all is said and done.

I posted on your trade board but would you consider

#6 and #11, salary filler

for

Cleve #4, Cleve #24, Anderson Varejao

I think this all depends if Drummond is still on the board

AV doesn't do anything for me, and I think the 24 is too much of a drop.

Shem · Post #899 » by **Shem** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:09 am

Here is what was said at the Nets forum before the lottery:
viewtopic.php?t=1183978

SpeedyG wrote:Yeah we ain't winning this. lmao

netsfaninnyc wrote:the fix is in! hopefully

vincecarter4pres wrote:My god was the Wallace trade awful...

NyCeEvO wrote:We gon' get dis' rite hurr...

Iceburg Slim wrote:I can't believe Billy King traded a lottery pick for Gerald Wallace. Justifying it by saying there was no interest in anyone below the Top 3 is ridiculous. That's just terriible.

N Ireland Nets wrote:Billy King your a complete ass

If we don't get a top 3 pick I'd love to fire Billy King for being an idiot, he's needs a lesson from Father Ted

VCRJKidd15 wrote:Sources close to me say that the Portland Trail Blazers now own our pick.

N Ireland Nets wrote:My finger nails are completely gone, damn you Billy King.

We should've been sitting around the 3 worst record with a real shot at Davis.

Instead we're hoping for the basketball gods to send us a mutant

rj2496 wrote:ugh, a huge part of our franchise will be determined tonight.

NyCeEvO wrote:It's slowly starting to hit me. We're not going to win....

Rich Rane wrote:If we don't get a pick tonight, hopefully Prokhorov realizes that he has to fire Billy King.

rj2496 wrote:I haven't been this nervous in a while with anything in sports. I feel more nervous now then when the Giants were in the Superbowl for some reason.

Rich Rane wrote:God, I can't watch.

BasketCase1 wrote:I'm so nervous...

SportsFan13 wrote:I dont even want to watch, but I feel I have too

vincecarter4pres wrote:So nervous.

Here is what was said at the Nets forum after Portland secured the 6th pick:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1183978&start=30

Jersey Generals wrote:Holy ****. I am **** Knicks.

vincecarter4pres wrote:

SportsFan13 wrote:I am going to go insane.

NjNeTs1029 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

N Ireland Nets wrote:Billy King... go shoot yourself in the face

De8 wrote:FUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

Talentfull wrote:Thanks a lot Billy!

The Hypnotoad wrote:Freaking fix is in for Sterns Hornets.

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:the fix WAS in but for New Orleans.

NjNeTs1029 wrote:now what?

N Ireland Nets wrote:So out of nowhere the Hornets suddenly get a buyer and just so happen to get the 1st overall pick???

rj2496 wrote:Life as a **** Nets fan....it never ends.

vincecarter4pres wrote:I wonder if that Gerald Wallace guy added a couple of senseless wins?

N Ireland Nets wrote:Without Wallace we would've been a lock for a top 3 worst record. Worst trade in the NBA in years

beast m0de wrote:

I'm on the next flight out to Brooklyn. I'm gonna sock/soap Billy King to a bloody pulp.

Archerbro wrote:FIRE BILLY KING.?

Rich Rane wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:Face it you guys. Billy King won't be fired anytime soon. The guy is here for the long haul.

Yeah, I know. Unless...

vincecarter4pres wrote:Funny, we ship our pick unprotected to Utah we jump from 6 to 3.

We ship our pick top 3 protected to Portland we stay put and lose it.

#LifeOfANetsFan

Stone wrote:Looks like our luck (or lack there of) from Jersey is following us over to Brooklyn.

The Hypnotoad wrote:On the bright side, we're a shoe-in for the worst record in the league next year. We might even beat the Bobcats record setting season.

N Ireland Nets wrote:
drejeronfire wrote:It was a horrible trade but let's not overreact.

Who at #6 would have saved this franchise / even remotely influenced Deron to stay?

There's 5 players I really like in this draft / feel have Top 5 player at their position potential (not that they will all reach their potential) after that there are a handful of good guys who would help the team, but who at the end of the day are available in any draft (read: crapshoot of good flawed players / players who do not standout)...

If Deron leaves we're really !@#$'ed but as I've maintained for a while now... I think money will talk when push comes to shove.

Your missing the point, the chance of our pick being 6th without the Wallace trade is slim to none. We'd have been a lock top 3 worst record teams if we didn't make the trade and therefore have a much better chance at Davis.

The trade was the worst trade made in the NBA in years. Billy King should be fired for it if im honest before he goes and blows all our cap on crap players to become a 4-8 seed Hawks level team in the East for years stuck in mediocrity. If D Will resigns i'd still fire King because he's made 1 major major major stupid idiot trade while being our GM and chances are he will do it again.

He's a complete idiot that has put our franchise in a crap situation.

We're banking now on Howard saying to the Magic, "Brooklyn and only Brooklyn" while they accept a Lopez, Wallace, Brooks & picks deal for Howard.

We're screwed because there are no good free agents available and its a lock that Eric Gordon is resigned now by NO no matter if he is offered the max.

Worst possible draft lotto.

King P wrote:Only good thing I have to say about this draft is that Ms. Pavlova looked quite delicious.

Other than that, **** this ****!

Shem · Post #900 » by **Shem** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:11 am

Norm2953 wrote:There's been an ongoing discussion on the Bobcats board concerning 6&11 for Kemba and 2.

I'm not wild about Kemba but if the reports are true that Drummond has dropped 20 pounds since the college season are true, I could see a deal with the Bobcats coming off. Charlotte would be better off picking Barnes and one of the sg's while we'd be gambling on Drummond being more like Cousins than Kwame.

If I remember right, Drummond shot 29% from the foul line last season.