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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#881 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:44 am

Walton1one wrote:Cleveland makes a lot of sense. Just had Dean Wade go down with an injury as well.

They could combine Strus & a guy like Niang, and then either some 2nd round picks (they have 8), a 1st with protections (Can only trade their 31') or a young player (Jaylon Tyson, Emoni Bates?)

Or Okoro\Tyson\Strus gets them a little closer (CLE only takes back $1mil)

CLE is $1.8 over the cap though, so would they be ok with paying more luxury tax?

This was just posted today by Kevin Pelton at ESPN and makes some sense.

Best possible fits: Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings

A Sacramento package built around guard Kevin Huerter and forward Trey Lyles is the most logical offer for Grant, but the Kings would surely prefer to land Cameron Johnson to fill the same role.

Another possibility would be if the Timberwolves are interested in swapping Julius Randle for Grant in pursuit of improved floor spacing with their starting five. Portland could get out of Grant's contract entirely if Randle declines his $29.5 million player option for 2025-26.


Would you trade Grant straight up for Randle and (maybe) a 25' (via UTA) 2nd round pick?

I think a flyer on some of their young players (Miller\MInott\Shannon) could be of interest as well. I don't think POR would have any interest in retaining Randle, and there is a decent chance he could opt out of his final year anyway.

Interestingly enough, his contract descends by $3mil next year. MIN would shave $3.28mil off their payroll this year with this trade, which would save them $4.92mil in luxury tax


I'd absolutely do Grant for Randle and id sign before they could take the offer. Not necessarily a huge fan of him as a player but that clears 1-2 years of salary. Heck I'd add some seconds if that's what it took
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#882 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:09 pm

Another Grant idea.

PDX OUT - Grant, Reath
PDX IN - Nurkic, Kleber, OMP, DAL 2025 FRP

PHX OUT - Nurkic, CLE 2025 FRP
PHX IN - Klay, Reath

DAL OUT - Klay, Kleber, OMP, DAL 2025 FRP
DAL IN - Grant, CLE 2025 FRP

PDX - Turn Grant into 2 deals that expire 2026 + a meh prospect + a FRP
PHX - Turn Nurkic into a vet shooter + a floor spacing big
DAL - Improve length and defense w/o sacrificing much shooting - drop in draft from DAL FRP to CLE FRP.
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#883 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:35 pm

Walton1one wrote:...Would you trade Grant straight up for Randle and (maybe) a 25' (via UTA) 2nd round pick?

I think a flyer on some of their young players (Miller\MInott\Shannon) could be of interest as well. I don't think POR would have any interest in retaining Randle, and there is a decent chance he could opt out of his final year anyway.

Interestingly enough, his contract descends by $3mil next year. MIN would shave $3.28mil off their payroll this year with this trade, which would save them $4.92mil in luxury tax

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Post#884 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:44 pm

Ya Grant for Randle straight up is such an easy YES. Just for the contract difference.

Grant is eating too many forward minutes as it is - imagine if BPA in 2025 is another forward. It becomes untenable.
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#885 » by Walton1one » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:14 pm

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IF LAL wants a big man, but is out on Vucevic & Poetl (I don't think he is really available anyway) & price for Kessler is astronomical (probably even more so for LAL), that leaves: Valanciunas? RW3? Capela? Dayron Sharpe? Maybe Stewart from DET?

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Gotta say, CHA is being pro active in gaining assets, which is really frustrating as a POR fan, They are $7.1mil under the tax, so they could send Gibson or Jeffries back in a deal to absorb that contract and pick up assets.

This is the sort of thing that POR could have done, if Cronin had any foresight, maybe if he had not matched Thybulle @ $11mil. If he hadn't done that, POR would be sitting with $14.7mil in cap space and an open roster spot....

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Beal to CHI dead, and now latest rumors are that Butler will be going somewhere other than PHX. Most prominent suitors are: MIL, GS & MEM, though MEM apparently only wants Butler for this year (no extension) and that is why Jimmy doesn't want to go there

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Lonzo Ball generating a fair amount of interest, not only can he help on the floor, but his contract is expiring. Apparently, CHI wants a 1st for Vucevic, will they deal Ball for less? Likely IMO.

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Boucher available is not overly surprising, he is an expiring contract and could be a much cheaper option than someone like jerami Grant

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This is important, b\c one of the reasons for Cronin's inaction (if you believe that he does know what he is doing), is to keep the vets and position themselves for a ton of of cap space ($88) after next season. However, I think if this is his intention, it is a foolish endeavor, as there is no way marquee players are going to choose POR over teams like MIA & BRK

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Randle to MIA, what is MIN getting back? I doubt is would be Jimmy Butler.

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Butler for George swap? George has 4yrs on his deal, they don't want long term contract, unless they think George is worth it?

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Or trade him to POR for Grant and keep the 1st?
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#886 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:25 pm

^I'm pretty sure if the Bucks wanted to dump middleton's salary they wouldn't take on an arguably equal or lesser value player on a longer contract in jerami

The 2026 FA aspect could play into our favor, obviously there's little reason to think we will sign a big name FA given a plethora of history proving no one decent wants to sign here unless we are in contention. But grant and ayton along with thy will allow us to take on pretty much any bad contract in the league for the right compensation
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Post#887 » by Walton1one » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:59 pm

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Raptors might be interested in Ingram, that is interesting, especially if they can get him at a discount given he is going to be an UFA this year, he is only 27. Both teams are hard capped @ 1st apron, that is a problem, will need a 3rd team to facilitate, which could complicate matters

or maybe not? Ingram for Brown\Olynyk seems to work? Brown is expiring, but Olynyk has another yr @ $13.4mil. I would assume NO would want 1-2 1st round draft picks in return, TOR has IND 1st in 26' + their own and all of their own 1st's + (7) 2nd's
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Post#888 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:03 pm

Ya - while Kris hasnt been healthy when he has played this year he is posting really good raw and advanced stats.

23mpg / 12.5ppg / 4rpg / 5apg / 0.8 spg / .56 EFG%
.148 WS48 / +1.0 OBPM / +0.5 DBPM / +6.5 OnCourt / +4.4 On-Off

Even if Middleton and Grant had the same length contract - I would gamble on Mids health over settling for a much inferior player in Grant. Add the contracts into the mix and it would be crazy for MIL to swap them.

Middleton can pass, he is a better rebounder, he is a comparable shooter, he is by all advanced metrics a better defender. They really are not that close in terms of talent IMO.

Grant isnt on a Kris Middleton level - he is on Kyle Kuzma level.
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#889 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:59 pm

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Raptors might be interested in Ingram, that is interesting, especially if they can get him at a discount given he is going to be an UFA this year, he is only 27. Both teams are hard capped @ 1st apron, that is a problem, will need a 3rd team to facilitate, which could complicate matters

or maybe not? Ingram for Brown\Olynyk seems to work? Brown is expiring, but Olynyk has another yr @ $13.4mil. I would assume NO would want 1-2 1st round draft picks in return, TOR has IND 1st in 26' + their own and all of their own 1st's + (7) 2nd's


Ouch I wouldn't want to be the team giving up 2 firsts for Ingram.
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Post#890 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:32 pm

I think the cost of BI, especially w/ 2 nice players outgoing like Brown / Kelly, should be 4-5 SRP.
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Post#891 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:32 pm

Looks like the Kings are open to moving Fox. I wonder how many picks they want?

I would "think" that OKC and SA would be the players? The better fit would be SA.
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Post#892 » by Walton1one » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:49 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Looks like the Kings are open to moving Fox. I wonder how many picks they want?

I would "think" that OKC and SA would be the players? The better fit would be SA.


Yeah, here is Shams talking about it, Could be a wild trade deadline with some big names (Butler, Fox. Ingram) on the move, then again, I have seen this movie (big names rumored to be dealt at deadline) before.

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Post#893 » by Walton1one » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:53 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I think the cost of BI, especially w/ 2 nice players outgoing like Brown / Kelly, should be 4-5 SRP.


Oh, I don't think they get (2) 1st for him, but they have (2) 26' 1st rounders, one is IND, so mid\early 20's likely? I could see them giving up the IND pick, but maybe TOR plays hardball and tries to get him on the cheap. My thought is, if TOR truly has interest in INgram, and they are willing to resign him to a deal, then giving up a mid 1st may be worthwhile.

Poetl is 29
Quickley is 25
Barret 24
Barnes 23
Dick 21
Walter 20

Adding 27yr old Ingram to that mix is not a terrible idea
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Post#894 » by Walton1one » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:59 pm

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Yeah, SA is going to have to pay a hefty price to get him IMO. Castle would seem the likely ask (could fit really nice next to Devin Carter) + several 1st round picks.

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Post#895 » by PDXKnight » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:09 am

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Yeah, SA is going to have to pay a hefty price to get him IMO. Castle would seem the likely ask (could fit really nice next to Devin Carter) + several 1st round picks.

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Post#896 » by cucad8 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:55 am

Fox knows he's not going to sign an extension in Sacramento. He and his agent were nice enough to let them know a year and a half in advance, to give them the ability to move on from him and get something in return now. How is that a bad thing? I wish Aldridge's agent did that for us. I don't see anywhere that he has demanded a trade. He did them a solid by giving them advanced notice.
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Post#897 » by cucad8 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:56 am

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I want a team to screw rich paul over some time

By holding on to his client and having them walk for nothing? They' be screwing themselves over.
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Post#898 » by tester551 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:58 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:I think the cost of BI, especially w/ 2 nice players outgoing like Brown / Kelly, should be 4-5 SRP.

That's an overpay as well.
Given his contract status ~2 SRP is all. Especially if NOP can get below the tax line with a trade.
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Post#899 » by Tim Lehrbach » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:34 am

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BlazersBroncos wrote:I think the cost of BI, especially w/ 2 nice players outgoing like Brown / Kelly, should be 4-5 SRP.

That's an overpay as well.
Given his contract status ~2 SRP is all. Especially if NOP can get below the tax line with a trade.


I think Ingram is worth whatever an expiring contract attached to an average starter is worth -- not much. Trading assets for the privilege of locking him up to a stupid deal is the kind of move that hurts teams for years.
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Post#900 » by PDXKnight » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:44 am

cucad8 wrote:
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I want a team to screw rich paul over some time

By holding on to his client and having them walk for nothing? They' be screwing themselves over.


Not saying it doesn't make sense for sacramento just wanting to see rich and klutch get theirs

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