Portland - 2016 Offseason

Norm2953 · Post #921 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:08 am

The 2017 draft is supposed to be great but at at PG and SF. Unless an international big
emerges, its thin at center for the Soph and junior classes are in the NBA.

DusterBuster · Post #922 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:11 am

Norm2953 wrote:The 2017 draft is supposed to be great but at at PG and SF. Unless an international big
emerges, its thin at center for the Soph and junior classes are in the NBA.

Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

Beeboywhoo · Post #923 » by **Beeboywhoo** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:19 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:The 2017 draft is supposed to be great but at at PG and SF. Unless an international big
emerges, its thin at center for the Soph and junior classes are in the NBA.

Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

I love me some 3nD SF's... I just got hyped watching Marquese Boldens highlight.

Damn Tatum is going to be a beast in the league.

We almost certainly need to get our way into the lottery next year, as CJ is going to command a MAX, lillard is at a MAX, if (IF) we get whiteside it will be at a MAX, and we have some pretty costly players, crabbe, aminu, harkless

PDXKnight · Post #924 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:32 am

Beeboywhoo wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:The 2017 draft is supposed to be great but at at PG and SF. Unless an international big
emerges, its thin at center for the Soph and junior classes are in the NBA.

Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

I love me some 3nD SF's... I just got hyped watching Marquese Boldens highlight.

Damn Tatum is going to be a beast in the league.

We almost certainly need to get our way into the lottery next year, as CJ is going to command a MAX, lillard is at a MAX, if (IF) we get whiteside it will be at a MAX, and we have some pretty costly players, crabbe, aminu, harkless

Do we have any assets that a team would deal a lotto pick for? Yeah we have our first and could throw in cleveland's but that likely isn't ebough

DusterBuster · Post #925 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:50 am

Oden2 wrote:
Beeboywhoo wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

I love me some 3nD SF's... I just got hyped watching Marquese Boldens highlight.

Damn Tatum is going to be a beast in the league.

We almost certainly need to get our way into the lottery next year, as CJ is going to command a MAX, lillard is at a MAX, if (IF) we get whiteside it will be at a MAX, and we have some pretty costly players, crabbe, aminu, harkless

Do we have any assets that a team would deal a lotto pick for? Yeah we have our first and could throw in cleveland's but that likely isn't ebough

I can answer this question a year in advance without a time traveling DeLorean and say no.... they don't.

DusterBuster · Post #926 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:52 am

Beeboywhoo wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:The 2017 draft is supposed to be great but at at PG and SF. Unless an international big
emerges, its thin at center for the Soph and junior classes are in the NBA.

Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

I love me some 3nD SF's... I just got hyped watching Marquese Boldens highlight.

Damn Tatum is going to be a beast in the league.

We almost certainly need to get our way into the lottery next year, as CJ is going to command a MAX, lillard is at a MAX, if (IF) we get whiteside it will be at a MAX, and we have some pretty costly players, crabbe, aminu, harkless

People said the Blazers "needed" to get their way into the lottery this year as well. Gimme what Portland has had the past 3 years over what the Sixers have had the past 3 years to get a lottery pick. Simmons may be awesome, he also may flame out. No one knows right now.

Beeboywhoo · Post #927 » by **Beeboywhoo** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:57 am

Trade CJ, on his RFA contract year for a top 10 pick? Or is that a stupid move Lol?

Norm2953 · Post #928 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:57 am

The 2017 draft is particularly deep in PG's with the Pac-12 having two of them in Fultz at the UW
and Ball at UCLA. The best big is at Duke but he's coming off two knee surgeries in HS ball. Ivan
Rabb is one of the few returnees but lots of freshmen.

If I were Portland, I'd not worry about the 2017 draft but if they strike out in FA, there is a real
chance they could be in the lottery if they also lose Crabbe, Henderson and Harkless.

PDXKnight · Post #929 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:40 am

DusterBuster wrote:People said the Blazers "needed" to get their way into the lottery this year as well. Gimme what Portland has had the past 3 years over what the Sixers have had the past 3 years to get a lottery pick. Simmons may be awesome, he also may flame out. No one knows right now.

Minnesota's roster would be a whole different ball game imo. That team is LOADED.

GreenRiddler · Post #930 » by **GreenRiddler** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:13 am

People need to remember a max contract is different for different players. Whiteside's max to my knowledge won't be as much as Dame's or CJs.

Speaking of Hassan, Dame retweeted a fan who tweeted Whiteside about joining the Blazers.

This is after CJ did the same thing a month ago. Never seen that since Wes and LMA did it to bring Jamal Crawford here. Hopefully if he signs here it will be a better situation than Crawford's.

Also super excited that it's looking more and more likely each day. Not gonna get my hopes up a lot but man we never got a big fish like this before.

GreenRiddler · Post #931 » by **GreenRiddler** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:17 am

Oden2 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:People said the Blazers "needed" to get their way into the lottery this year as well. Gimme what Portland has had the past 3 years over what the Sixers have had the past 3 years to get a lottery pick. Simmons may be awesome, he also may flame out. No one knows.

Minnesota's roster would be a whole different ball game imo. That team is LOADED.[quote]
Yeah but I'll take a team that has been proven to win over hope. Wiggins and Leaving have been a bit disappointing and while KATs is great, so is AD and he has been on some bad teams lately.

I ll believe it when I see it in minny, a team that is in one hell of a playoff drought.

Wizenheimer · Post #932 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:26 am

GreenRiddler wrote:People need to remember a max contract is different for different players. Whiteside's max to my knowledge won't be as much as Dame's or CJs.

Whiteside is limited to a 1st year salary of about 23.5% of the 94 million cap...about 22.1 million. A max 4 year deal would average about 23.6 million/year. That has six 4.5% step raises

Lillard split the difference with the Blazers between the standard max and the Rose Rule max. His 1st year salary will be around 24.3 million; his average will be around 28 Million; that will include ten 7.5% step raises

If the cap is 110 million next summer. CJ's max 1st year salary will be around 26 million and a max 5 year deal would average around 30 million

PDXKnight · Post #933 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:13 am

GreenRiddler wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:People said the Blazers "needed" to get their way into the lottery this year as well. Gimme what Portland has had the past 3 years over what the Sixers have had the past 3 years to get a lottery pick. Simmons may be awesome, he also may flame out. No one knows.

Minnesota's roster would be a whole different ball game imo. That team is LOADED.
Yeah but I'll take a team that has been proven to win over hope. Wiggins and Leaving have been a bit disappointing and while KATs is great, so is AD and he has been on some bad teams lately.

I ll believe it when I see it in minny, a team that is in one hell of a playoff drought.

I'll have to agree to disagree here, I'd trade rosters with Minnesota any day of the week. That team has a shot at being a contender in 5 years whereas Portland needs to make a massive miracle signing/ trade/ draft pick to make that happen.

Norm2953 · Post #934 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:27 am

I'm cautiously optimistic about Whiteside but let's see if we indeed have the first visit for he seems
willing commit on July 1.

I'd be curious about the rest of the roster for if are indeed committed to Dame and CJ, that's 3
potential max contracts. Likely Whiteside would sign a three year contract with an opt out to
set himself for another pay day in the summer of 2018 but Portland will likely have to allow
Crabbe and Meyers to go and hope Harkless doesn't get a big contract offer.

Norm2953 · Post #935 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:36 am

Oden2 wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:
Oden2 wrote:

Minnesota's roster would be a whole different ball game imo. That team is LOADED.
Yeah but I'll take a team that has been proven to win over hope. Wiggins and Leaving have been a bit disappointing and while KATs is great, so is AD and he has been on some bad teams lately.

I ll believe it when I see it in minny, a team that is in one hell of a playoff drought.

I'll have to agree to disagree here, I'd trade rosters with Minnesota any day of the week. That team has a shot at being a contender in 5 years whereas Portland needs to make a massive miracle signing/ trade/ draft pick to make that happen.

I'd take Portland's roster if they can get Whiteside for the Wolves with their #1 pick Kris Dunn and Lavine
along with Wiggins and KAT still lack that pure shooter on the wing. Portland with Whiteside, CJ and Dame
has a balanced roster if they can keep their RFA's. The teams in the NW division all got better and Portland
could easily be in the lottery if they strike out in FA.

deanwoof · Post #936 » by **deanwoof** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:56 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Beeboywhoo wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Portland could use a dynamic SF.....

I love me some 3nD SF's... I just got hyped watching Marquese Boldens highlight.

Damn Tatum is going to be a beast in the league.

We almost certainly need to get our way into the lottery next year, as CJ is going to command a MAX, lillard is at a MAX, if (IF) we get whiteside it will be at a MAX, and we have some pretty costly players, crabbe, aminu, harkless

People said the Blazers "needed" to get their way into the lottery this year as well. Gimme what Portland has had the past 3 years over what the Sixers have had the past 3 years to get a lottery pick. Simmons may be awesome, he also may flame out. No one knows right now.

I think needed is completely different than Team Tank. Especially if/when we strike out this summer. We'd be trotting out the same team that overachieved last season, and got out-tanked by other teams.

I think a top 10 pick would be better than a FA shut out.

Oneluckbox · Post #937 » by **Oneluckbox** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:18 am

IDK lads I got that feeling about Whiteside. I've said it all along - he would be an absolute beast on this team. A core of Dame/CJ/Whiteside would look pretty nice going forward. Yeah he's a bit of a risk but IDC...go out there and make a splash. Don't get anywhere just treading water.

Masterfully · Post #938 » by **Masterfully** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:24 am

Assuming Portland blows its wad on a center, are we all good starting Harkless and Aminu at forwards?

With a Whiteside or Biyombo I actually think Meyers Leonard pairs well.

Does Plumlee stay? If not, what kind of return can you get in a trade?

Beeboywhoo · Post #939 » by **Beeboywhoo** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:45 am

Masterfully wrote:Assuming Portland blows its wad on a center, are we all good starting Harkless and Aminu at forwards?

With a Whiteside or Biyombo I actually think Meyers Leonard pairs well.

Does Plumlee stay? If not, what kind of return can you get in a trade?

Multiple questions here:
1. Im good with Harkless and Aminu at being forwards, Id honestly like a better jump shooter (3) than Aminu, but he plays good defense
2. If we get whiteside or Biyombo, Meyers could go.. Hell if we strike out on FAs Meyers could go :lol:

3. If we get Whiteside or Biymombo, I say we keep Davis, and trade Plumlee, I could see him returning a late 1st-2nd round, we would have to wait until the contention teams look like they are desperate for a Center.

If we land a C in FA, then our next biggest need is PF and SF, unless Vonleh miraculously turns into a quality starter this year.

Lillard/CJ / any 3rd stringer
CJ/Crabbe/Harkless/
Aminu/Harkless/Pat/Montero
Davis/Vonleh/Layman
Whiteside/Davis

Hate playing Davis at 4, maybe harkless plays 3, and aminu at 4, but we need a higher quality forward if that's the case.

Blaze the Nugz · Post #940 » by **Blaze the Nugz** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:47 am

I'd rather take a risk in a potentially franchise altering talent in Whiteside than stand pat and be a fringe playoff team. If Whiteside goes the way of Turkoglu or Rashard Lewis (albatross contracts after great pre-FA seasons), at least we tried to move the needle. I'd rather do that than have almost no chance of competing for a title. Same reason why I have NeO's back on the Afflalo trade.

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