Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[DusterBuster]

Orlando fans have some weird gauge on how valuable Isaac is from my discussions with them. That's fine, every fanbase has those players that they do that with, but I don't believe their FO would hold that same "clutch this player like precious pearls" like their fans think/say on here.

I'd agree. It's a nicely crafted contract no doubt but if they're serious about winning...

That is my opinion as well. Issac and Orlando's own pick seems like a fair deal. I would be happy to include a third team as Issac is superflous on this roster.

I think Isaac is a player Cronin would want to kick the tires on off the bench. There’s been rumblings the Blazers were interested in him in the past whenever Blazer/Magic rumors pop up.

[PDXKnight]

Orlando fans have some weird gauge on how valuable Isaac is from my discussions with them. That's fine, every fanbase has those players that they do that with, but I don't believe their FO would hold that same "clutch this player like precious pearls" like their fans think/say on here.

I'd agree. It's a nicely crafted contract no doubt but if they're serious about winning...

That is my opinion as well. Issac and Orlando's own pick seems like a fair deal. I would be happy to include a third team as Issac is superflous on this roster.

My primary objective is keep 2026 cap space and a pick. Not sure what we will use it for but I don't want anything albatross in an ant or ayton deal.

With that said I didn't realize Anthony was expiring in 2026. I'd probably be on board with something with black + fillers + 1st. Not sure how they feel about moritz wagner with the injury or dealing away some combo of joseph/harris's expiring/swing jett to a 3rd team in a larger deal but partial cap relief would be nice.

[DusterBuster]

I’m not wasting my time arguing with magic fans about a washed Isaac. Not a hold up

Yup, when I saw how some of their posters were talking about him, I just kinda dropped it and didn’t bother pushing because when a fan base is that out of touch on a players value, it’s pointless to debate.

[PDXKnight]

I'd agree. It's a nicely crafted contract no doubt but if they're serious about winning...

That is my opinion as well. Issac and Orlando's own pick seems like a fair deal. I would be happy to include a third team as Issac is superflous on this roster.

I think Isaac is a player Cronin would want to kick the tires on off the bench. There’s been rumblings the Blazers were interested in him in the past whenever Blazer/Magic rumors pop up.

Unfortunately for Orlando he's 27 hasn't done much and hasn't stayed healthy. He's an interesting player because of his size but that's about it but by 27 he isn't much of a "piece of the future" anymore. His ceiling is the 7th or 8th man and a fringe starter if a front court injury happens and while the options are nice on his contract the dollar amount per year is far more than he is worth. Realistically he is a 5-10 million dollar player unless a team overpays drastically (and personally I'd classify the dollar amount of his current deal and overpay options or not)

[DusterBuster]

That is my opinion as well. Issac and Orlando's own pick seems like a fair deal. I would be happy to include a third team as Issac is superflous on this roster.

I think Isaac is a player Cronin would want to kick the tires on off the bench. There’s been rumblings the Blazers were interested in him in the past whenever Blazer/Magic rumors pop up.

Unfortunately for Orlando he's 27 hasn't done much and hasn't stayed healthy. He's an interesting player because of his size but that's about it but by 27 he isn't much of a "piece of the future" anymore. His ceiling is the 7th or 8th man and a fringe starter if a front court injury happens and while the options are nice on his contract the dollar amount per year is far more than he is worth. Realistically he is a 5-10 million dollar player unless a team overpays drastically (and personally I'd classify the dollar amount of his current deal and overpay options or not)

Apparently for some advanced stats, he is still a really good disruptor and defender because of his body and size, but to me I totally agree. He's a Rob Williams type of player. You probably like having him and he can have a positive impact, but he can't be relied upon.

I don't mind the Blazers taking a flier on him. If his entire contract is guaranteed, I think it's an overpay. 17mil per year for him is crazy-talk, so his value for me is in the ability to cut him. Maybe a restructured contract could be agreed to?

[PDXKnight]

I think Isaac is a player Cronin would want to kick the tires on off the bench. There’s been rumblings the Blazers were interested in him in the past whenever Blazer/Magic rumors pop up.

Unfortunately for Orlando he's 27 hasn't done much and hasn't stayed healthy. He's an interesting player because of his size but that's about it but by 27 he isn't much of a "piece of the future" anymore. His ceiling is the 7th or 8th man and a fringe starter if a front court injury happens and while the options are nice on his contract the dollar amount per year is far more than he is worth. Realistically he is a 5-10 million dollar player unless a team overpays drastically (and personally I'd classify the dollar amount of his current deal and overpay options or not)

Apparently for some advanced stats, he is still a really good disruptor and defender because of his body and size, but to me I totally agree. He's a Rob Williams type of player. You probably like having him and he can have a positive impact, but he can't be relied upon.

I don't mind the Blazers taking a flier on him. If his entire contract is guaranteed, I think it's an overpay. 17mil per year for him is crazy-talk, so his value for me is in the ability to cut him. Maybe a restructured contract could be agreed to?

Depends on the options. If it's next year then we can opt out entirely i could live with it. Sounds sort of like it's a team option for multiple seasons so no doubt it's some sort of team friendly deal.

[BlazersBroncos]

Not arguing with the overestimation of JI's value by ORL fans but its worth noting that most see us as doing the same with RWIII. Puts it in a bit of context when we argue Rob is worth a FRP.

[Village Idiot]

Unfortunately for Orlando he's 27 hasn't done much and hasn't stayed healthy. He's an interesting player because of his size but that's about it but by 27 he isn't much of a "piece of the future" anymore. His ceiling is the 7th or 8th man and a fringe starter if a front court injury happens and while the options are nice on his contract the dollar amount per year is far more than he is worth. Realistically he is a 5-10 million dollar player unless a team overpays drastically (and personally I'd classify the dollar amount of his current deal and overpay options or not)

Apparently for some advanced stats, he is still a really good disruptor and defender because of his body and size, but to me I totally agree. He's a Rob Williams type of player. You probably like having him and he can have a positive impact, but he can't be relied upon.

I don't mind the Blazers taking a flier on him. If his entire contract is guaranteed, I think it's an overpay. 17mil per year for him is crazy-talk, so his value for me is in the ability to cut him. Maybe a restructured contract could be agreed to?

Depends on the options. If it's next year then we can opt out entirely i could live with it. Sounds sort of like it's a team option for multiple seasons so no doubt it's some sort of team friendly deal.

He has very specific team options according to Spotrac in addition to the fact that his salary declines from $25 million this season to $15 million in 2025-26

2026-27: $8 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2025-26 or one day after the 2026 moratorium
2027-28: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2026-27 or one day after the 2027 moratorium
2028-29: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2027-28 or one day after the 2028 moratorium

[PDXKnight]

Apparently for some advanced stats, he is still a really good disruptor and defender because of his body and size, but to me I totally agree. He's a Rob Williams type of player. You probably like having him and he can have a positive impact, but he can't be relied upon.

I don't mind the Blazers taking a flier on him. If his entire contract is guaranteed, I think it's an overpay. 17mil per year for him is crazy-talk, so his value for me is in the ability to cut him. Maybe a restructured contract could be agreed to?

Depends on the options. If it's next year then we can opt out entirely i could live with it. Sounds sort of like it's a team option for multiple seasons so no doubt it's some sort of team friendly deal.

He has very specific team options according to Spotrac in addition to the fact that his salary declines from $25 million this season to $15 million in 2025-26

2026-27: $8 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2025-26 or one day after the 2026 moratorium
2027-28: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2026-27 or one day after the 2027 moratorium
2028-29: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2027-28 or one day after the 2028 moratorium

Not sure i love that deal from our angle. If he plays 52 games I don't think his production is worth 15 mil annually. In the worst case scenario, albeit unlikely, he plays 52 games each year leaving us on the hook with 10 percent of our cap locked in on a role player for 4 years.

[Sinobas]

I have an idea to get rid of Simons and Grant, and get a little something in return.

Grant and Simons to Orlando
Issac,Anthony, Mortiz Wagner and a 1st to Portland.

Why Orlando does it: they desprately need offensive fire power, and they get a bunch while keeping the core in tact.

Why the Blazers do it: we get out of Grant's contract, and get something for Simons, whom we'd probably let walk after his contract is over anyway.

Issac would be a really good bench player for us, and fits into what the team is building. After this season, he only earns $15 mil per year. We've been playing over $20 mil combined for RW3 and Thybulle who rarely play.

Wagner and Anthony are mostly fillers. Wagner would be a good backup center if keep him.

[PDXKnight]

I have an idea to get rid of Simons and Grant, and get a little something in return.

Grant and Simons to Orlando
Issac,Anthony, Mortiz Wagner and a 1st to Portland.

Why Orlando does it: they desprately need offensive fire power, and they get a bunch while keeping the core in tact.

Why the Blazers do it: we get out of Grant's contract, and get something for Simons, whom we'd probably let walk after his contract is over anyway.

Issac would be a really good bench player for us, and fits into what the team is building. After this season, he only earns $15 mil per year. We've been playing over $20 mil combined for RW3 and Thybulle who rarely play.

Wagner and Anthony are mostly fillers. Wagner would be a good backup center if keep him.

That's about 12 mil in additional salary for orlando but it works in the trade checker. If they'd sign off on it yes please to this deal!

[BlazersBroncos]

I can see ORL paying Grant when they have 3 near-max guys in Suggs, Banchero and Franz.

Also, how do you fit Grant into that lineup - I am not sure Franz has the footspeed to play SG.

[DusterBuster]

I can see ORL paying Grant when they have 3 near-max guys in Suggs, Banchero and Franz.

Also, how do you fit Grant into that lineup - I am not sure Franz has the footspeed to play SG.

Yeah, Grant makes absolutely zero sense. He's just more duplication of Paolo and Franz.

[dckingsfan]

Seems like these are the trades that are being made?

Clippers receive:
Drew Eubanks
Patty Mills

Jazz receives:
Mo Bamba
P.J. Tucker
2030 second-round Draft pick
Cash considerations

[PDXKnight]

Seems like these are the trades that are being made?

Clippers receive:
Drew Eubanks
Patty Mills

Jazz receives:
Mo Bamba
P.J. Tucker
2030 second-round Draft pick
Cash considerations

Interesting, pure tax avoidance. Makes me wonder what ayton will be worth in feb of 2026

[dckingsfan]

Seems like these are the trades that are being made?

Clippers receive:
Drew Eubanks
Patty Mills

Jazz receives:
Mo Bamba
P.J. Tucker
2030 second-round Draft pick
Cash considerations

Interesting, pure tax avoidance. Makes me wonder what ayton will be worth in feb of 2026

I kind of wonder if we aren't seeing a change in club behaviors with this new cap structure and the first and second aprons.

It will really depend on if there is a club that needs to shed contracts, no?

[PDXKnight]

Seems like these are the trades that are being made?

Clippers receive:
Drew Eubanks
Patty Mills

Jazz receives:
Mo Bamba
P.J. Tucker
2030 second-round Draft pick
Cash considerations

Interesting, pure tax avoidance. Makes me wonder what ayton will be worth in feb of 2026

I kind of wonder if we aren't seeing a change in club behaviors with this new cap structure and the first and second aprons.

It will really depend on if there is a club that needs to shed contracts, no?

Oh for sure. Would be cool to get compensation for an expiring like we did when we landed Roy but deals like that are rare

[Walton1one]

I do not want to hear anymore about it being difficult to make trades under the new CBA. Luka Dončić was just traded to LA L for AD, unbelievable.

If Cronin can’t get off his fat ass and make a move then he is incompetent, there is no barrier to trades. Absolutely unbelievable seismic trade, credit to LAL/DAL, I don’t know who it is going to work out better for, but wow!

[PDXKnight]

I wonder if LAL makes a run at jerami grant now. Feels like this makes it more likely as their front court is looking quite a bit thinner atm

[Norm2953]

That 2029 LAL pick is going to be valuable to Dallas but I wonder if Lebron ends playing center for now
the Lakers who were already looking for a center to help AD now don't have AD