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Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:21 am
by Moonbeam
The list so far is here.

Project Guidelines:

Spoiler:
1. Each thread will be open for 48 hours. After 48 hours have passed, the thread will close if a single player receives a majority of the votes. If not, the top 2-3 candidates will enter a runoff period of 24 hours. During this period, you may switch your vote to one of the reduced list of candidates if you voted for someone else.

2. When making a formal vote, please include the player's name in bold. This helps me keep track. Please include a justification for your choice. It may be brief, but simply writing the name of your choice will not be a counted vote.

3. You may switch your vote, but please emphasize this in bold.

4. Please only consider each player's performance with Portland.

5. We all have our favorites, and we all have our own criteria. I believe the discussion and learning from this project will be more important than the placement of the individual players.

6. Have fun!


Runoff Guidelines:

Spoiler:
If at the end of 48 hours, no single player has more than 50% of the votes cast, the top 2* candidates will enter a runoff vote.

1. Original votes for one of these 2 players still count.

2. Those who voted for one of the candidates outside of the top 2 must cast a vote for one of the top 2 candidates for their votes to count.

3. Those who did not vote in the first 48 hours are still welcome to vote in the runoff.

4. Anyone is welcome to change his/her vote if swayed by the arguments of others.

* If there is a tie, more than 2 candidates may enter the runoff. In this case, please list your preferred order among all of the candidates, and a point system will determine the victor. The points will be allocated as follows (using a 3-player runoff as an example): 3 points for 1st place, 2 points for 2nd place, 1 point for 3rd place. If votes don't make a preference beyond #1, the remaining candidates will get the average points for the other ranks. If at the end of this process, there is a tie, the winner will be the player with the most preferences in a 1 on 1 comparison.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:52 am
by Brandon-Clyde
Jim Paxson- 2 time all star, all NBA 3rd team 10,000 career points as a Blazer

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:16 am
by Masterfully
Going back to Clifford Robinson here. A great player on some great teams. Of players not already picked, Robinson leads in several stat catergories.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:22 am
by zzaj
The original Trailblazer

Geoff Petrie

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:18 am
by PDXKnight
Im gonna have to go with Buck williams here. Buck helped take the blazers to another level when we acquired him and his true shooting percentage and efg percentage as a Blazer are incredibly impressive. I was tempted to go with Cliff Robinson but from what I've heard he was notoriously bad in the clutch and advanced stats indicate that Buck made far more of an impact on making this team better than Cliff did when he was here

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:20 pm
by kdawg32086
Cliff Robinson. Key player throughout the 90s, 8 years with the Blazers, and had a very long career at a fairly high level. Uncle Cliffy with his headband is still an iconic image from that era.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:20 pm
by JasonStern
vote: Jim Paxson. what Brandon-Clyde said, plus leading the Blazes for three seasons in win shares.

Cliff, Buck, and Duckworth were great, but the whole team was talented and three people from the early 90s teams already made the top ten.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:12 am
by a_sensei
I'm going to vote for Mychal Thompson here. Seven seasons as a Blazer, six playoff appearances. Thompson generally showed well in the playoffs. I would argue that he was the most important player on the early 80s Blazer teams. Paxton had the all-star appearances, but Thompson was a center competing with Kareem, Gilmore, Sikma, and later Ralph Sampson, Akeem. Moonbeam pointed out in the last thread that the Blazers actually played better in games that Paxson did not play.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:11 am
by JasonStern
a_sensei wrote:I'm going to vote for Mychal Thompson here.


Mychal Thompson falls under the LaMarcus Aldridge rule - any power forward/center that spends years with Portland to then end up in San Antonio has to be irrationally hated upon and undervalued as a result.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:42 am
by Moonbeam
I'm tossing up Mychal Thompson, Jim Paxson, Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson, and Kevin Duckworth here.

I'd like to hear a bit more about Thompson and Paxson from those who saw them a lot.

Thompson: Pretty long career with Portland, and a decent role throughout. Decent scorer and rebounder, and by all accounts not a bad defender. His game appears pretty robust in the playoffs, and in the 24 games he missed in seasons he played, the team was worse off by an average SRS of 2.97.

Paxson: Long career with the Blazers and the leading scorer in the early-mid 80s. Not much of a distributor, but he took care of the ball very well. Roughly similar production in the playoffs, though it dips a bit. From 1981-87 (when he was a main part of Portland's rotation), Portland was better by an average SRS of 3.69 without him across 38 games, however, and that's a bit of a concern. He got an All-NBA 2nd team nod. Was he the leader and focal point of the team?

I'm curious to hear the dynamics of those early-mid 80s teams. Who had the leadership role? How did guys like Natt, Lever, and Vandeweghe fit in?

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:15 pm
by rasta_marley
Moonbeam wrote:I'm tossing up Mychal Thompson, Jim Paxson, Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson, and Kevin Duckworth here.


I am curious when the voting will be over I need to do a bit more research on this one before I can caste my vote.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:03 am
by PDXKnight
JasonStern wrote:
a_sensei wrote:I'm going to vote for Mychal Thompson here.


Mychal Thompson falls under the LaMarcus Aldridge rule - any power forward/center that spends years with Portland to then end up in San Antonio has to be irrationally hated upon and undervalued as a result.


Buck Williams has a true shooting percentage of around 60 percent as a Blazer compared to Thompson's circa 54 percent ts%. Williams also has a far better win share stat as a Blazer (buck williams has a career win share average of 8.4 versus Thomson's Blazer career average of 5.7). Mychal Thompson certainly crossed my mind on this vote but advanced stats would indicate that Buck Williams did more to make his team better.

Also since Cliff Robinson has been mentioned his true shooting percentage is around 52 percent and his win share (minus his rookie season where he didn't play much) was 7.4. No bias against Mychal Thompson for becoming a Spur, simply put Buck williams in my eyes is the best remaining player

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:59 am
by Moonbeam
The turnout isn't so great at the moment. I'm going to go with Buck Williams for the time being. I felt he was more reliable than Cliffy, and he his game held up pretty well in the playoffs. He willingly took on a smaller role in the offense when coming to Portland, and that is to his credit. He ended up a low-usage, hyper-efficient offensive player, whose real value was to make up for some of Duckworth's defensive deficiencies. The team became elite once he joined, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:01 am
by Moonbeam
Tally:

Jim Paxson (2): Brandon-Clyde, JasonStern

Cliff Robinson (2): Masterfully, kdawg32086

Buck Williams (2): Oden2, Moonbeam

Geoff Petrie (1): zzaj

Mychal Thompson (1): a_sensei

3-way runoff between Paxson, Cliffy, and Buck.

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:29 pm
by Brandon-Clyde
1) Paxson

2) Buck

3) Cliff

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:53 pm
by Masterfully
Robinson
Williams
Paxson

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:02 pm
by zzaj
Paxson
Buck
Cliffy

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:38 pm
by a_sensei
1. Cliff
2. Paxson
3. Buck

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:15 am
by kdawg32086
1) Robinson
2) Williams
3) Paxson

Re: Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #11: Paxson/Robinson/Buck runoff

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:02 am
by Norm2953
1) The Drexler led teams did not win without Buck

2) Jim Paxson was second team all NBA 84. His problem was he played against the showtime Lakers

3) Cliff Robinson very solid and durable player