CJ for ???

Zers4Eva · Post #1 » by **Zers4Eva** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:48 pm

Let's imagine the Blazers will actually make an impact move and decide to move CJ.

Should they trade him got a high draft pick or for a proven player?

I think with Lillard's age, they have to look for a guy with no question marks. Someone who is guaranteed to help now.

Norm2953 · Post #2 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:03 pm

We roughly where the GSW were six years ago when they had Monta Ellis (CJ) and a young Steph. THe GSW
GM came to the conclusion that they could not win with two shoot first SG's and traded Monta Ellis for
Andrew Bogut. Nothing wrong with Ellis who had a solid career but this team needs to find its version of
Klay Thompson, a big sharpshooting wing who plays really solid defense.

Post #3 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:22 pm

I think moving up for a guy like Mikal Bridges could make some sense. I also like Zhaire Smith and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

Some ideas

Milwaukee: Middleton and #17 for McCollum and #24

Philadelphia: Covington, Bayless and #10 for McCollum, Swannigan, #24

Cleveland: Hill, #8 for McCollum, #24

Clippers: Gallo, #12, #13 for McCollum, #24

blazersbucs40 · Post #4 » by **blazersbucs40** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:29 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I think moving up for a guy like Mikal Bridges could make some sense. I also like Zhaire Smith and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

Some ideas

Milwaukee: Middleton and #17 for McCollum and #24

Philadelphia: Covington, Bayless and #10 for McCollum, Swannigan, #24

Cleveland: Hill, #8 for McCollum, #24

Clippers: Gallo, #12, #13 for McCollum, #24

Love the first 2 just dont see either team doing it. Think Covington and Middleton would be ideal next to Dame

DusterBuster · Post #5 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:47 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I think moving up for a guy like Mikal Bridges could make some sense. I also like Zhaire Smith and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

Some ideas

Milwaukee: Middleton and #17 for McCollum and #24

Philadelphia: Covington, Bayless and #10 for McCollum, Swannigan, #24

Cleveland: Hill, #8 for McCollum, #24

Clippers: Gallo, #12, #13 for McCollum, #24

I really like the idea of a Middle for CJ swap of some sort, but I don't think it solves the biggest issue of the Blazers offense being so predictable. In order to solve that i really think the team needs a PF who can create his offense.

Blazers98 · Post #6 » by **Blazers98** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:39 pm

I'd like CJ for Middleton as well.
I'd love to role the dice and trade CJ for Fultz as the main pieces. I'd prefer taking a chance on Fultz over Covington.
CJ for Love? Maybe a fresh start would help?

Zers4Eva · Post #7 » by **Zers4Eva** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:00 pm

I like the idea of trading CJ for Love. I think he'd get back to his old self on this team. I also wonder if a trade with the Wizards would be mutually beneficial. Something around CJ for Beal or Porter and other pieces.

springcadre · Post #8 » by **springcadre** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:12 pm

CJ for Love helps both sides, what do you guys think about taking on TT's contract in exchange for like Meyers Leonard and Mo Harkless? Feel like a change of scenery could be a wake up call for TT and Love can be a 25pts 10reb player again in a real system.

Blazers98 · Post #9 » by **Blazers98** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Zers4Eva wrote:I like the idea of trading CJ for Love. I think he'd get back to his old self on this team. I also wonder if a trade with the Wizards would be mutually beneficial. Something around CJ for Beal or Porter and other pieces.

IMO Beal and CJ are very similar players and we would be essentially trading for away CJ for CJ. I like Porter but a third team would have to be involved since they already have Beal. CJ makes too much to be that 6th man he was designed for.

Blazers98 · Post #10 » by **Blazers98** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:27 pm

Norm2953 wrote:We roughly where the GSW were six years ago when they had Monta Ellis (CJ) and a young Steph. THe GSW
GM came to the conclusion that they could not win with two shoot first SG's and traded Monta Ellis for
Andrew Bogut. Nothing wrong with Ellis who had a solid career but this team needs to find its version of
Klay Thompson, a big sharpshooting wing who plays really solid defense.

I think this is a spot on analysis.

Downtown · Post #11 » by **Downtown** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:57 pm

I think everything depends on where Paul Allen wants to go with this team.

If it's about money then definitely Orlando is in the picture. Vucevic, Terrence Ross, and Orlando's first round pick gives the Blazers two decent expiring contracts after next season and a very high draft prospect.

Dallas could come into play as well since Cuban usually goes with experience over rookies. Of course Dennis Smith was an exception. I think most Blazers fans still like Wes Mathews, who got a little better as the season went on in his achilles tear recovery.

If it's about equal talent but trying something different then someone like Chris Middleton might work but what would either team really gain? Same for the Bradley Beal talk.

If it's about an established star the the endless Kevin Love opinions fit that bill.

If it's about a little of everything then Gallinari, small filler such as Wesley Johnson, and the Clippers two picks, which should be in the #13 and #14 range could give them a veteran scorer plus a couple low lotto picks. I would think Portland would have to give up the #24 pick in that exchange.

But the best options definitely all lead to McCollum. No other players besides Lillard is going to make any impact via trades. And the majority of us haven't been keen on what it would mean to trade Damien.

Waynearchetype · Post #12 » by **Waynearchetype** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 am

PHI has some interesting assets that could work.

Covington + Fultz would be nice.

trix17 · Post #13 » by **trix17** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:57 am

Waynearchetype wrote:PHI has some interesting assets that could work.

Covington + Fultz would be nice.

I can't see any of our assets being enough to net those guys... C.J probably doesn't get us Fultz at this point and them trading Cov for C.J kind of takes away from their team structure. Don't need another ball dominant player along Fultz, Simmons and Embiid... they need someone like Cov, haha.

Masterfully · Post #14 » by **Masterfully** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:56 am

The idea of trading CJ for a pick makes a lot of sense, if you can either trade his contract into space or for a much smaller contract coming back.

As mentioned, a guy like Mikal Bridges brings assets CJ doesn’t have and he comes on a tiny contract.

Dame Lizard · Post #15 » by **Dame Lizard** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 pm

Masterfully wrote:The idea of trading CJ for a pick makes a lot of sense, if you can either trade his contract into space or for a much smaller contract coming back.

As mentioned, a guy like Mikal Bridges brings assets CJ doesn’t have and he comes on a tiny contract.

Yep, Mikal Bridges would be amazing with this team (I must admit I don't know all that much about him, but from what I do he seems to be a perfect fit).

Dame Lizard · Post #16 » by **Dame Lizard** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:01 pm

Blazers98 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:We roughly where the GSW were six years ago when they had Monta Ellis (CJ) and a young Steph. THe GSW
GM came to the conclusion that they could not win with two shoot first SG's and traded Monta Ellis for
Andrew Bogut. Nothing wrong with Ellis who had a solid career but this team needs to find its version of
Klay Thompson, a big sharpshooting wing who plays really solid defense.

I think this is a spot on analysis.

Agreed. I hadn't thought of that analogy before, but it's a very similar situation.

Roy The Natural · Post #17 » by **Roy The Natural** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:44 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:
Blazers98 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:We roughly where the GSW were six years ago when they had Monta Ellis (CJ) and a young Steph. THe GSW
GM came to the conclusion that they could not win with two shoot first SG's and traded Monta Ellis for
Andrew Bogut. Nothing wrong with Ellis who had a solid career but this team needs to find its version of
Klay Thompson, a big sharpshooting wing who plays really solid defense.

I think this is a spot on analysis.

Agreed. I hadn't thought of that analogy before, but it's a very similar situation.

I mean it's similar.... and I can see some parallels. But the problem with Curry/Ellis wasn't necessarily their size. It was Monta Ellis, the guy was completely incapable of playing off-ball, and also incapable of being a full time PG.

RussellandFlow · Post #18 » by **RussellandFlow** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:47 pm

I cannot see the Bucks trading Middleton for CJ, Portland would need to sweeten the deal big time. You can argue that Middleton is the better player, not to mention he is only owed 26 million over the next two years whereas CJ is owed I believe 82 million over three years. Middleton would be the perfect fit next to Dame though.

Nitro912 · Post #19 » by **Nitro912** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:33 pm

People have to realize Cjs value around the league is not all that great. Philly would say no to a CJ-Covington swap as Covington would be more valuable to them. Covington is a very good 3andD specialist. The bucks would also say no to a CJ-Middleton swap as well. Middleton provides the same scoring punch and way better defense than CJ. I posted it earlier but the only thing that would get this team better is a take a risk and sign J. Parker this offseason then a package around CJ for a Whiteside deal.
Lillard
This year's draft
J. Parker
Collins
Whiteside

Would love to see T. Evans on this squad as well. Anyone know if he's a freeagent this summer? Years ago, I said T. Evans would be a good cheap pickup. Also said H. Whiteside was a cheap defensive big before he blew it up during the D. Wade era. :nod:

portland42018 · Post #20 » by **portland42018** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:00 pm

I wonder what it would take for us to get Kawhi. CJ and more I'm sure. Paired with a few picks that could be a somewhat decent return for San Antonio. I'm not giving them Lillard though.

Kawhi could be great here, doesn't seem like a guy who has to shoot or would mind being a 2nd option, incredible defender, isn't a guy who demands a flashy market.