Layman to Minny

Wizenheimer · Post #1 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:35 am

in a S&T

Shem · Post #2 » by **Shem** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:38 am

Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

DusterBuster · Post #3 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:40 am

Shem wrote:Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

This really should bring up a real question of how much 2016 was Olshey's call and how much was Paul Allen's call and Olshey carrying out his wishes....

If Paul was still here, does anyone here really believe the Blazers would have let Layman go?

DusterBuster · Post #4 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:41 am

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Post #5 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:42 am

Shem wrote:Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

I don't think Laymans deal is anywhere close to as wack as Crabbe's. Its below the MLE.

Probably just getting a TPE in exchange?

I look at it as we are basically swapping Layman for Hezonja in terms of the role or minutes they will get.

DusterBuster · Post #6 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:44 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Shem wrote:Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

I don't think Laymans deal is anywhere close to as wack as Crabbe's. Its below the MLE.

Probably just getting a TPE in exchange?

I look at it as we are basically swapping Layman for Hezonja in terms of the role or minutes they will get.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything other than the TPE.

EDIT: Seems to be confirmed by Bobby Marks

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whatchaknow · Post #7 » by **whatchaknow** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:45 am

DusterBuster wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Shem wrote:Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

I don't think Laymans deal is anywhere close to as wack as Crabbe's. Its below the MLE.

Probably just getting a TPE in exchange?

I look at it as we are basically swapping Layman for Hezonja in terms of the role or minutes they will get.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything other than the TPE.

EDIT: Seems to be confirmed by Bobby Marks

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Too bad it wasn’t for saric

tindogg · Post #8 » by **tindogg** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:56 am

Our bench is super thin now and opens up another roster spot(?) who do we get next? Someone said iggy!!?

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DusterBuster · Post #9 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:57 am

For real though, as much as I hate to rehash the summer of 2016, rumors did come to the surface after that summer that the Blazers resigning all their own guys - particularly Crabbe - to those awful deals were PA calls, not Olshey. Some here vehemently didn't want to believe those reports so they could squarely put the blame of every contract that summer on Olshey's feet, but I still believe those reports as much as they day they came out.

Which, look.... that doesn't absolve Olshey of the Turner contract what-so-ever, he deserved every bit of criticism he got for that deal. However for Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe in particular, I firmly believe that was a directive from Paul to keep all the Blazers young guys regardless the cost.

Post #10 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:09 am

Guessing he must've been endorsed at least partially by Vanterpool....?

Wickzki · Post #11 » by **Wickzki** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:10 am

tindogg wrote:Our bench is super thin now and opens up another roster spot(?) who do we get next? Someone said iggy!!?

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Our roster was super thin even if we had have kept Layman.

Had a fun month and then got found out and scouted.

DusterBuster · Post #12 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:11 am

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GAME CHANGER!!!

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Wickzki · Post #13 » by **Wickzki** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:12 am

DusterBuster wrote:For real though, as much as I hate to rehash the summer of 2016, rumors did come to the surface after that summer that the Blazers resigning all their own guys - particularly Crabbe - to those awful deals were PA calls, not Olshey. Some here vehemently didn't want to believe those reports so they could squarely put the blame of every contract that summer on Olshey's feet, but I still believe those reports as much as they day they came out.

Which, look.... that doesn't absolve Olshey of the Turner contract what-so-ever, he deserved every bit of criticism he got for that deal. However for Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe in particular, I firmly believe that was a directive from Paul to keep all the Blazers young guys regardless the cost.

I agree with you. Therefore, if we're going to continue to bag Olshey for those transactions then we have to give him the credit he's earned over the past twelve months.

NEO continues to come up trumps lately.

Wickzki · Post #14 » by **Wickzki** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:13 am

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Dubljevic! Euro Korver / Mehmet Okur type.

Below the rim player who is more reminiscent of a 1990's player and not a player of today's high speed game.

DusterBuster · Post #15 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:23 am

Wickzki wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:For real though, as much as I hate to rehash the summer of 2016, rumors did come to the surface after that summer that the Blazers resigning all their own guys - particularly Crabbe - to those awful deals were PA calls, not Olshey. Some here vehemently didn't want to believe those reports so they could squarely put the blame of every contract that summer on Olshey's feet, but I still believe those reports as much as they day they came out.

Which, look.... that doesn't absolve Olshey of the Turner contract what-so-ever, he deserved every bit of criticism he got for that deal. However for Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe in particular, I firmly believe that was a directive from Paul to keep all the Blazers young guys regardless the cost.

I agree with you. Therefore, if we're going to continue to bag Olshey for those transactions then we have to give him the credit he's earned over the past twelve months.

NEO continues to come up trumps lately.

To be fair, I think most here have been giving Olshey plenty of praise for his more recent moves since last trade deadline and his drafts. But in the shadow of 2016 when those contracts were really hanging over the Blazers heads, I think Olshey was a bit unfairly criticized.

Again, it wasn't that he didn't deserve any criticisms for that summers signings... he did. That Turner contract to this day makes zero sense and I don't see how you can put that contract on anyone but Neil feet. My point was simply that it wasn't as black and white as many wanted to make it out to be where that summer and ever contract was 100% his fault, I truly believe it was more complex than that with Paul Allen giving Neil directions to resign the guys Portland drafted regardless of cost.

Blazinaway · Post #16 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:30 am

Neil goin nuts. LOL Amazing how the roster of this team has changed! Will be fun to see how all the new pieces fit

Goldbum · Post #17 » by **Goldbum** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:33 am

Wait so we get a TPE that’s smaller than the Vet minimum? What good does that do?

d-train · Post #18 » by **d-train** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:35 am

DusterBuster wrote:For real though, as much as I hate to rehash the summer of 2016, rumors did come to the surface after that summer that the Blazers resigning all their own guys - particularly Crabbe - to those awful deals were PA calls, not Olshey. Some here vehemently didn't want to believe those reports so they could squarely put the blame of every contract that summer on Olshey's feet, but I still believe those reports as much as they day they came out.

Which, look.... that doesn't absolve Olshey of the Turner contract what-so-ever, he deserved every bit of criticism he got for that deal. However for Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe in particular, I firmly believe that was a directive from Paul to keep all the Blazers young guys regardless the cost.

The 2016 signings are exactly what they appear to be. They where fiscally too expensive but we're funded by a billionaire that didn't want to lose anything because he underspent. And, the most reasonable estimation at the time was the roster would not be hurt by the expensive signings.

Sinobas · Post #19 » by **Sinobas** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:37 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Shem wrote:Yes, Neil Olshey. Don't match the offer. Hopefully you learned your lesson with Allen Crabbe.

But I'm curious now what the Blazers are getting back in return.

This really should bring up a real question of how much 2016 was Olshey's call and how much was Paul Allen's call and Olshey carrying out his wishes....

If Paul was still here, does anyone here really believe the Blazers would have let Layman go?

That's something I thought of too. Paul was said to be really hesitant to let young players go after what happened with O'Neal.

Post #20 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:38 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Wickzki wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:For real though, as much as I hate to rehash the summer of 2016, rumors did come to the surface after that summer that the Blazers resigning all their own guys - particularly Crabbe - to those awful deals were PA calls, not Olshey. Some here vehemently didn't want to believe those reports so they could squarely put the blame of every contract that summer on Olshey's feet, but I still believe those reports as much as they day they came out.

Which, look.... that doesn't absolve Olshey of the Turner contract what-so-ever, he deserved every bit of criticism he got for that deal. However for Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe in particular, I firmly believe that was a directive from Paul to keep all the Blazers young guys regardless the cost.

I agree with you. Therefore, if we're going to continue to bag Olshey for those transactions then we have to give him the credit he's earned over the past twelve months.

NEO continues to come up trumps lately.

To be fair, I think most here have been giving Olshey plenty of praise for his more recent moves since last trade deadline and his drafts. But in the shadow of 2016 when those contracts were really hanging over the Blazers heads, I think Olshey was a bit unfairly criticized.

Again, it wasn't that he didn't deserve any criticisms for that summers signings... he did. That Turner contract to this day makes zero sense and I don't see how you can put that contract on anyone but Neil feet. My point was simply that it wasn't as black and white as many wanted to make it out to be where that summer and ever contract was 100% his fault, I truly believe it was more complex than that with Paul Allen giving Neil directions to resign the guys Portland drafted regardless of cost.

Absolutely, I didn't think there was much doubt that Allen wanted to keep the band together.

With that said, I do think the GM should push back against an owner making poor roster decisions.

However, at the end of the day tho, the owner is the one signing the checks so its 100% not as black and white as some would suggest.