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Is Olshey stubborn or does a good idea never go stale?

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Is Olshey stubborn or does a good idea never go stale? 

Post#1 » by d-train » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:21 am

We have 7 new players this year not counting 2-way contracts to Hoard and Brown. Of those 7 new players, 5 (Melo, Whiteside, Bazemore, Hezonja, and Gasol) are players Olshey previous pursued between 2016-2018 but failed to get.
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Re: Is Olshey stubborn or does a good idea never go stale? 

Post#2 » by Goldbum » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:18 pm

I think you trust your process. When you’ve identified talent and assigned it a value within your organization, when it’s value exceeds its cost you move on it. Everyone of those players has had a decrease in cost that parallels or exceeds his decrease in value.
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Post#3 » by Sinobas » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:02 pm

He has a long history of that. We're also very fortunate that he did fail to get certain players. Specer Hawes, Greg Monroe, Roy Hibbert, Chandler Parsons....
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Post#4 » by d-train » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:36 pm

Sinobas wrote:He has a long history of that. We're also very fortunate that he did fail to get certain players. Specer Hawes, Greg Monroe, Roy Hibbert, Chandler Parsons....

We know as a fact Olshey pursued a young Hibbert. And, we have good credible reports that he pursued Monroe and Parsons. There is no credible or even believable report that Olshey pursued Hawes. This doesn't mean that it didn't happen, but I like to keep the rumors that aren't credible or that are obviously false on their face separate from the credible information. We didn't know that Olshey once pursued Bazemore and Gasol until after they finally recently signed contracts. The reason for that is Olshey doesn't improperly disclose information. So, if the player or his agent doesn't talk, we don't know.
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Post#6 » by d-train » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:53 pm


Thank you for these fine examples of unbelievable and not credible reports. They are not credible because they are stories without any named source that would have information that isn't pure speculation. The most important factor is why they are not believable. The claim is that Hawes and Blazers met, this is fine. Also, it is claimed that Blazers offered a full mid-level exception to Hawes, this is plain on its face BS. Unless the Blazers could lock-in their core players (Aldridge and Lillard), the most the Blazers could offer any minor bit role players was a 1-year guarantee. That's how long the Blazers had their core players on Hawes's timeline. The Blazers were prepared to jettison quality role players like Matthews and Lopez that were on Aldridge's timeline without the commitment of Aldridge, so they certainly were not going to allow themselves to be encumbered by an expensive bit player. So, how long do you think this so-called meeting lasted?

Hello Mr Hawes, we want you and we can offer you 1-year. Thank you very much, I can get 4 years. Have a good day Mr Hawes. What is that, 5 seconds?

I also doubt the Blazers wanted Hawes, but anyone's speculation is as good as mine. We needed a center and we got a better center than Hawes on our terms.
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Re: Is Olshey stubborn or does a good idea never go stale? 

Post#7 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:59 pm

d-train wrote:

Thank you for these fine examples of unbelievable and not credible reports. They are not credible because they are stories without any named source that would have information that isn't pure speculation. The most important factor is why they are not believable. The claim is that Hawes and Blazers met, this is fine. Also, it is claimed that Blazers offered a full mid-level exception to Hawes, this is plain on its face BS. Unless the Blazers could lock-in their core players (Aldridge and Lillard), the most the Blazers could offer any minor bit role players was a 1-year guarantee. That's how long the Blazers had their core players on Hawes's timeline. The Blazers were prepared to jettison quality role players like Matthews and Lopez that were on Aldridge's timeline without the commitment of Aldridge, so they certainly were not going to allow themselves to be encumbered by an expensive bit player. So, how long do you think this so-called meeting lasted?

Hello Mr Hawes, we want you and we can offer you 1-year. Thank you very much, I can get 4 years. Have a good day Mr Hawes. What is that, 5 seconds?

I also doubt the Blazers wanted Hawes, but anyone's speculation is as good as mine. We needed a center and we got a better center than Hawes on our terms.


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Post#8 » by d-train » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:14 pm

There is no accounting for what people are willing to believe.
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Post#9 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:01 pm

d-train wrote:There is no accounting for what people are willing to believe.


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Post#10 » by Sinobas » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:04 am

d-train wrote:
Sinobas wrote:He has a long history of that. We're also very fortunate that he did fail to get certain players. Specer Hawes, Greg Monroe, Roy Hibbert, Chandler Parsons....

We know as a fact Olshey pursued a young Hibbert. And, we have good credible reports that he pursued Monroe and Parsons. There is no credible or even believable report that Olshey pursued Hawes. This doesn't mean that it didn't happen, but I like to keep the rumors that aren't credible or that are obviously false on their face separate from the credible information. We didn't know that Olshey once pursued Bazemore and Gasol until after they finally recently signed contracts. The reason for that is Olshey doesn't improperly disclose information. So, if the player or his agent doesn't talk, we don't know.


Olshey pursuing Hawes was widely reported. It wasn't just shome "hoops hype" rumor.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2014/07/05/report-blazers-offered-spencer-hawes-same-exact-contract-he-accepted-with-clippers/
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Post#11 » by Sinobas » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:09 am

d-train wrote:

Thank you for these fine examples of unbelievable and not credible reports. They are not credible because they are stories without any named source that would have information that isn't pure speculation. The most important factor is why they are not believable. The claim is that Hawes and Blazers met, this is fine. Also, it is claimed that Blazers offered a full mid-level exception to Hawes, this is plain on its face BS. Unless the Blazers could lock-in their core players (Aldridge and Lillard), the most the Blazers could offer any minor bit role players was a 1-year guarantee. That's how long the Blazers had their core players on Hawes's timeline. The Blazers were prepared to jettison quality role players like Matthews and Lopez that were on Aldridge's timeline without the commitment of Aldridge, so they certainly were not going to allow themselves to be encumbered by an expensive bit player. So, how long do you think this so-called meeting lasted?

Hello Mr Hawes, we want you and we can offer you 1-year. Thank you very much, I can get 4 years. Have a good day Mr Hawes. What is that, 5 seconds?

I also doubt the Blazers wanted Hawes, but anyone's speculation is as good as mine. We needed a center and we got a better center than Hawes on our terms.


Denny, I swear to god, you are like Neil's undercover PR man. The things you say to defend him and the positions you take are so absurd, that they're actually bizzare. Adrian Wojnarowski, the Oregonian, the Chris Haynes who was the beat reporter for the network contracted to cover Blazer games, cbs........and after seeing these your response is "not a single credible report". :lol:

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Post#12 » by DusterBuster » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:41 am

d-train wrote:There is no accounting for what people are willing to believe.


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Post#13 » by JasonStern » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:06 pm

d-train wrote:Is Olshey stubborn or does a good idea never go stale?


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