BlazersBroncos wrote:when you say sign Hark for "MLE" do you mean "full MLE", if so that would be a ridiculous overpay IMO
I would hope for 3/15M w/ a TO on Y3. I would go up to 3/18M but its not my money.
I would not pay him more than 2-3 mil per
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BlazersBroncos wrote:when you say sign Hark for "MLE" do you mean "full MLE", if so that would be a ridiculous overpay IMO
I would hope for 3/15M w/ a TO on Y3. I would go up to 3/18M but its not my money.
I would not pay him more than 2-3 mil per
Unless Patrick Williams is available, I am 100% sold on Theo Maledon for the Portland Trailblazers.
I tend to think Portland in the draft process Portland will focus on 1-2 players that can reasonably be
gotten for they have the assets to move up a few spots to get that targeted player.
I look at a team like Sacramento picking at 12 as a good trade partner for they likely can get the same
type of player at 16 and can pickup something from Portland for their trouble. This would be one of those
draft day trades where both teams would be picking for the other for the two teams have made a number
of deals over the past few years making for good relations.
BlazersBroncos wrote:I tend to think Portland in the draft process Portland will focus on 1-2 players that can reasonably be
gotten for they have the assets to move up a few spots to get that targeted player.
I look at a team like Sacramento picking at 12 as a good trade partner for they likely can get the same
type of player at 16 and can pickup something from Portland for their trouble. This would be one of those
draft day trades where both teams would be picking for the other for the two teams have made a number
of deals over the past few years making for good relations.
Depends on how you view our assets. A trade up would probably include future pick(s) or guys on rookie contracts. We dont really have anything else appealing. I tend to think the only young guy we have that is valued around the league are GTJ and ZC. I wouldnt be surprised if Simons is seen around the league having R2 value, maybe not even good R2 pick value. Little is such a blank slate that I have no idea how the league sees him.
So, would it be worth attaching ZC to 16 and moving up to 11 or 12? I would say certainly no if he was locked up cheap until 2021, but right now, as an impending 2020 FA and such an uncertainty, removing the potential of overpaying him may be worth using him as trade up bait. If you think a trade up using ZC + 16 can get you Vassell, Okoro or potentially even Patrick Williams, I think you pull the trigger.
I wouldnt be opposed to Haliburton either, his ability to play both guard spots and his really mature, consistent, well paced game makes him likely to have a quick NBA transition IMO. He has the full package outside once scary metric, he doesnt get to the rim / line. Otherwise, big, long, quick, good defensive metrics, great shooting splits, great raw defensive stats (S+B 3.2 last year), versatile, etc. Hard to not think what the team could look like with a 3-guard rotation of Dame / GTJ / Haliburton + whichever forward(s) we can get for CJ.
Dame/ Rondo
Jrue/ Trent jr
Ariza/ Hood
Harkless/ Melo
Nurkic/ Whiteside
Case2012 wrote:Sign Rondo please.... An actual point guard to run the second unit and an exceptional defender to pair with Trent jr. I would even consider starting him at the point and moving Dame to the 2 and have him run off screens ala Curry in certain line ups.
BlazersBroncos wrote:Dame/ Rondo
Jrue/ Trent jr
Ariza/ Hood
Harkless/ Melo
Nurkic/ Whiteside
I love the defense at guard and as I outlined a few post ago, would welcome Mo back with open arms, but that guard rotation is just too crowded. Dame and Jrue are at least 34mpg players in the regular season, even more in the playoffs. Rondo is a PG only, and wont sign here as a 12mpg type backup. We would need to find him 20mpg+, which means shifting Dame to SG for short stretches, which as you outlined is pretty appealing. Rondo's ability to really, really switch it on for the palyoffs is tremendously appealing. And despite his age, he shows no signs of slowing down.
So the issue is GTJ. assuming something like the below, your relegating him to a 10th mans type minutes of sliding him to SF:
PG - Damian Lillard (28) / Rajon Rondo (10)
SG - Jrue Holiday (32) / Damian Lillard (6) / Gary Trent JR (10)
Another option could be, what forward does Ariza, Collins, GTJ and picks return? It would have to be a hell of a player for me to pull the trigger, and looking at the l eague I cant really find anyone who is attainable and the bill.
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Case2012 wrote:Sign Rondo please.... An actual point guard to run the second unit and an exceptional defender to pair with Trent jr. I would even consider starting him at the point and moving Dame to the 2 and have him run off screens ala Curry in certain line ups.
Yes. Olshey is allergic to this type of player but I swear all good teams have a veteran PG on the bench, just someone who knows how to run an offense and isn't some young gun looking for his own shot.
I'm not really worried about how the minutes shake out in the guard rotation. I'm much more interested in the versatility in the line ups. Jrue can also play the 3 apparently so he could grab some minutes there.
JasonStern wrote:McCollum - Lost a lot of value with his extension. I'm not saying I don't understand why the Blazers did that. Nor am I even questioning the "Splash Brothers Lite" approach of a Lillard+McCollum back court. Just pointing out that he probably doesn't have the value a lot of fans think he has. And as such, the Blazers are probably best off keeping him. A dilution trade - CJ for lesser players - isn't smart. Consolidating or upgrading makes sense, but who would want to trade a better player for a 29-year old McCollum? The time to trade him was a few years back when Chicago was looking to move Jimmy Butler and McCollum was still young enough that you could trade him to a franchise looking to rebuild/reload.
Ariza - Is washed. He's probably serviceable next year, but pricey at $12M. I suspect his option doesn't get picked up in order to reduce salary obligations. Not sure when the Blazers have to pick up his option, but hopefully they have enough time to test the waters and see who is available. For example, if you can get Harkless for millions less money, wouldn't you rather do that?
Hood - Is probably done. Hate to say it. Loved him as a player, but ACL tears are no joke. He might be a serviceable shooter, but he's not going to be the player he was - especially on defense. Thus he should be viewed as salary filler in a trade or an expiring contract. Anything else the Blazers get from him is great.
Collins - Hasn't lived up to his hype. I was a bit disappointed when he was drafted. In typical Jason fashion, I wanted to trade the picks for an established player to pair with Dame and CJ. And failing that, I would have rather taken two chances at #15 and #20 of landing a player versus trading up to #10. And even then at 10, I wanted Malik Monk - which is bad in hindsight considering Mitchell and Abedayo were available (although I have a feeling he has underperformed in Charlotte due to management - could be a good buy low candidate). But I understand what Blazers management was going for. Claims Zack will be the next Bill Laimbeer seemed far stretched at the time, and completely unrealistic now. But he fits that mold of a player that Olshey was hoping Meyers would become. I'm not as down on him as people like Wizenheimer. He's still just 22. Bigs take longer to develop. But I'm nowhere near as excited about him as a lot of fans are. He's proven himself an NBA player, but not necessarily a starter on a good team. He's also fairly injury prone. And his contract is about to expire. He's also the highest paid player still on a rookie contract, so he helps fill out trade requirements.
Anthony - Is washed, but is a blast to watch. Probably responsible for saving this season. Who doesn't love an inefficient, high usage scorer with virtually non-existent defense? Love to retain him on a 2-year team-option minimum or BAE contract. Give him the starting role as a token gesture, but play him backup minutes. Seems like he's earned that.
Little - Is a complete unknown. Given the lack of wing depth, it's concerning how little playing time he got last season. So clearly he's raw. Hopefully he's developing. Can't see him having much value in the league, so he might be the rookie I'd be least likely to trade as I just wouldn't expect much in return.
Hezonja - Is another example of Olshey bidding against himself. I will never understand why he got a player option on that contract. There was no competition to sign him. If he reinvented himself, he wouldn't take the second year. But if he sucked, you know he's taking that second year. The sad thing is he actually could be a below-average-but-not-horrific player. Just take away any ball handling - he is not the point forward he and the Blazers think he is - that stuff might work in Euro leagues, but not the NBA. Try harder on defense. Focus on making open jump shots should Dame dish you the ball. And suddenly we wouldn't be hating the guy. But anyone with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1 should not be a primary/secondary/any-ary ball handler. Could be useful as salary filler, but doubt any team in the league has any interest.
Trent - Is probably the greatest trade asset the Blazers have. And everyone is going to hate me for saying that. How could you trade Wesley Matthews 2.0? Well, he hasn't proven his ability to do this over a full season. In fact, his performance dropped off significantly as the bubble wore on. Meanwhile, he's at peak hype after the bubble, and he only has one year left on his contract. A Trent+#16 package has considerable more value than a Simons+#16 package, despite "well I like the better player" arguments. But if Trent underperforms next year, or if he overperforms and then gets paid, that "potential" value is gone. So this is probably the best time to move Trent if (big if) a trade makes sense.
d-train wrote:Ariza doesn't look washed up to me. He won't be back as a Blazer and I don't want him back. His trade value is to a team that wants to cut salary because his trade value is $13M and is only guaranteed $1.8M.
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