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Post#261 » by GEE » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am

I think big shake up trades are highly unlikely now with Dame in his prime. It might rock the boat. Plus, I think if healthy, we already have most of the pieces we need to go for the title. I've obviously soured on Ariza and now see that $11 million as savings, but have new love for Melo and predict he's gonna ball out in the bubble.

IMO, bringing guys back is the most important objective, and if possible, I would like to begin here:
Dame/CJ/Simons/Trent/Hood/Little/Melo/Collins/Nurkic/Whiteside

I'll assume Mario bolts or gets traded, cause he sure won't be seeing any minutes, but that's a solid 10! If I look at this I need 4-5 more role players, but what I really want is a backup SF, and have lots of assets to get him. Use whatever assets needed for this one player, and use remaining assets for the other 3-4 spots. Something like this:

Dame/Simons/SRP
CJ/Trent/FRP
Hood/MLE/Little
Collins/Melo/Gabriel
Nurkic/Whiteside/BAE
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Post#262 » by Goldbum » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:50 am

Not a lot of love on t bis board for Saddiq Bey but I have a strong suspicion that he's our FRP other wise I like RJ Hampton and Precious or even Patrick Williams.
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Post#263 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:47 pm

Goldbum wrote:Not a lot of love on t bis board for Saddiq Bey but I have a strong suspicion that he's our FRP other wise I like RJ Hampton and Precious or even Patrick Williams.


Saddiq is fine, I see a lot of similarities to Hood who was looking like a nice fit for us. Getting a second Hood, who isn't injured, would be a pretty good outcome and is probably one of the "safer" options. (Note all draft picks have risk, if we could guarantee getting an uninjured Hood in the draft it would be a no brainer).

Hood's second year at Duke:
16 points (46/42/80) 3.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.3 blocks

Bey's second year at Villanova:
16.1 points (47/45/77) 4.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.4 blocks

Both are 6'8 but play a little smaller, decent athletes but not elite, somewhat robotic movements, their game revolves primarily around their 3 point shot that they use to setup their weaker driving game. Defensively both are kind of overrated due to having good height but are not so great due to below average length (and the aforementioned athleticism).

I do like Nesmith/Vassell/Okoro better (higher floors, higher ceilings), McDaniels/Williams/Precious/Poku have higher ceilings but also higher bust potentials.

If we are looking at Saddiq at our pick I really might look to move down in the draft and get Tyler Bey or Paul Reed instead, both of whom are not as good offensively but should be really good defenders from day 1.
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Post#264 » by skoharry » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:47 pm

GEE wrote:I think big shake up trades are highly unlikely now with Dame in his prime. It might rock the boat. Plus, I think if healthy, we already have most of the pieces we need to go for the title. I've obviously soured on Ariza and now see that $11 million as savings, but have new love for Melo and predict he's gonna ball out in the bubble.

IMO, bringing guys back is the most important objective, and if possible, I would like to begin here:
Dame/CJ/Simons/Trent/Hood/Little/Melo/Collins/Nurkic/Whiteside

I'll assume Mario bolts or gets traded, cause he sure won't be seeing any minutes, but that's a solid 10! If I look at this I need 4-5 more role players, but what I really want is a backup SF, and have lots of assets to get him. Use whatever assets needed for this one player, and use remaining assets for the other 3-4 spots. Something like this:

Dame/Simons/SRP
CJ/Trent/FRP
Hood/MLE/Little
Collins/Melo/Gabriel
Nurkic/Whiteside/BAE

Melo isn't staying and everyone knows it. With how well he played given his age and production over recent years, he'll look to get a ring. I could see him taking a paycut to sign with LAL, LAC, MIA, BOS, or even GSW.
We need to upgrade one of the forward positions first and foremost. Most likely through trade. Some names we could look at via trade are Gordon and Randle for PF or Porter and Barnes for SF. If ORL thinks they might lose Fournier, then I think a package of Simons, Ariza, Collins and a pick could be enough to get us Gordon and Bamba/Ross. Then we S&T Whiteside to HOU for Covington/Tucker to replace the 3 and D and veteran presence of Ariza. Then maybe look at using our BAE/MLE for a backup PG like Augustin, Mudiay, Napier, or Dunn. Then if we got Bamba in the Gordon trade we look at using MLE/BAE for Crowder, Bembry, Harkless, or Craig. If we get Ross then we look to use our BAE/MLE/VM for Biyombo, Noel, Okafor, Maker, or Hernangomez. Then we fill out the rest of the roster with our VM/BAE and 1st.
Dame/Napier/FRP
CJ/Hood/VM
Ross/Trent Jr/Hezonja
Gordon/Tucker/Little
Nurk/Okafor/SRP
I think that would be a pretty good team. You might have to switch Trent Jr and Ross around, but still.
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Post#265 » by d-train » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:33 pm

skoharry wrote:Melo isn't staying and everyone knows it.

Who knows it? The same know nothings that get everything wrong. I don't know where Melo will play next year, but I think he might look for teammates he has good chemistry with and have a chance to contend, sounds just like Portland.

skoharry wrote:We need to upgrade one of the forward positions first and foremost. Most likely through trade. Some names we could look at via trade are Gordon and Randle for PF or Porter and Barnes for SF. If ORL thinks they might lose Fournier, then I think a package of Simons, Ariza, Collins and a pick could be enough to get us Gordon and Bamba/Ross. Then we S&T Whiteside to HOU for Covington/Tucker to replace the 3 and D and veteran presence of Ariza. Then maybe look at using our BAE/MLE for a backup PG like Augustin, Mudiay, Napier, or Dunn. Then if we got Bamba in the Gordon trade we look at using MLE/BAE for Crowder, Bembry, Harkless, or Craig. If we get Ross then we look to use our BAE/MLE/VM for Biyombo, Noel, Okafor, Maker, or Hernangomez. Then we fill out the rest of the roster with our VM/BAE and 1st.
Dame/Napier/FRP
CJ/Hood/VM
Ross/Trent Jr/Hezonja
Gordon/Tucker/Little
Nurk/Okafor/SRP
I think that would be a pretty good team. You might have to switch Trent Jr and Ross around, but still.

I don't want Gordon, Randle, Porter, or Barnes. Barnes isn't any good and is paid like he is. Melo to Barnes is a downgrade. Porter is a decent player worth less than half what he is paid. We are better with Melo and Hood. Collins is better than Gordon or Randle. Gordon and Randle are good players on a lousy team, but they don't complement good players that can win.

I would S&T Whiteside for Covington. I don't know why Rockets would do that after trading Capela to get Covington. I would have kept Capela, but Rockets have a plan. There not going to switch Capela to Whiteside unless they learn their plan was a bad one.

Crowder, Bembry, Harkless, and Craig are all good. Not as good as Melo and Hood, but we could use 1 of any of these players.
Biyombo and Noel are ok, nothing great, we can do better even if we lose Whiteside. Okafor and Maker are scrapheap garbage.
Juan Hernangomez might be a limited stretch 4. I don't know why we would want a stretch 4 when we have Melo, who can stretch the court and is good at everything.
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Post#266 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:23 pm

So I still really like Nesmith and Vassell but I think I'm jumping on the Patrick Williams train if they aren't there at our pick.

6'8 very athletic, long and a good defender give him a great base to work with. What is really intriguing is watching him shoot off the dribble, it gives me Kawhi/PG type vibes as similar players who were drafted in the teens and improved. 83% from the line gives good hope he can continue to improve his 32% 3-point shooting.

His scoring volume is lower than either Kawhi or PG, he had a bad A/T ratio and way too many turnovers for his usage, low rebounding. Plenty of warts on that frog, he isn't the caliber of prospect of those two.

But, I think he has the tools to develop really nicely and outplay his draft position. He has the tools to be the kind of "big wing" defender that we need and with his handle and potential to develop a shot its hard not to see him having a pretty decent career.
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Post#268 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:59 pm

I have been thinking about possible SF fits and, while I am not sure on his avaliability, I keep coming back to TJ Warren. He is not ideal, but he is very talented offensively and is posting some very nice advanced and raw stats this season. But more than anything, his contract is pennies and fits very well with our looming numbers crunch.

Oubre is expiring, and while my top option likely gets overpaid 2021 as a teams backup FA option.
OPJ is expiring, and has serious injury issues, and may also get overpaid in 2021 if healthy in 2020.
Richardson is expiring (PO 21/22, but will decline) and likely gets overpaid in 2021
Gordon, to me personally, simply isnt a full time SF.

The Blazers are set to pay Dame and CJ 74M for the 2021/22 season. Nurkic will expire summer 2022 and require a much larger deal than he currently is on IMO. Collins will need an extension next summer, and it could be big if he is as good as many here, myself included, think. GTJ will want money that summer as well.

So, looking at the financial decisions, if we make a trade for a SF the cheap, 2 year deal of Warren is extremley appealing. 11-12M for a player that produces like him, especially in terms of offensive efficiency, is a HUGE bargain. He isnt ideal on defense, but we are not in a financial or asset position to get an ideal SF. To me, its either Warren of a draft pick at SF. Financially we just cant afford many other options. If not Warren, I think we need to contemplate using 2020 picks, future picks and young assets to trade up for whomever the team thinks can be an immediate starting level SF. This years 1st round pick will be the most important selection in years. It has to be a player that can help right away or we are going to be left in Denver and Dallas dust in terms of the next team behind the LA franchises. Its going to be interesting, potentially fun, but worrisome as well. Then again, Little may shine in the bubble and show starting talent, but I wouldnt bet on it.
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Post#269 » by Blazinaway » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:24 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I have been thinking about possible SF fits and, while I am not sure on his avaliability, I keep coming back to TJ Warren. He is not ideal, but he is very talented offensively and is posting some very nice advanced and raw stats this season. But more than anything, his contract is pennies and fits very well with our looming numbers crunch.

Oubre is expiring, and while my top option likely gets overpaid 2021 as a teams backup FA option.
OPJ is expiring, and has serious injury issues, and may also get overpaid in 2021 if healthy in 2020.
Richardson is expiring (PO 21/22, but will decline) and likely gets overpaid in 2021
Gordon, to me personally, simply isnt a full time SF.

The Blazers are set to pay Dame and CJ 74M for the 2021/22 season. Nurkic will expire summer 2022 and require a much larger deal than he currently is on IMO. Collins will need an extension next summer, and it could be big if he is as good as many here, myself included, think. GTJ will want money that summer as well.

So, looking at the financial decisions, if we make a trade for a SF the cheap, 2 year deal of Warren is extremley appealing. 11-12M for a player that produces like him, especially in terms of offensive efficiency, is a HUGE bargain. He isnt ideal on defense, but we are not in a financial or asset position to get an ideal SF. To me, its either Warren of a draft pick at SF. Financially we just cant afford many other options. If not Warren, I think we need to contemplate using 2020 picks, future picks and young assets to trade up for whomever the team thinks can be an immediate starting level SF. This years 1st round pick will be the most important selection in years. It has to be a player that can help right away or we are going to be left in Denver and Dallas dust in terms of the next team behind the LA franchises. Its going to be interesting, potentially fun, but worrisome as well. Then again, Little may shine in the bubble and show starting talent, but I wouldnt bet on it.


Question I have is are the Suns interested in trading him (why?) and what would they want?
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Post#270 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:02 pm

Question I have is are the Suns interested in trading him (why?) and what would they want?


It would be the Pacers, and I dont know why. Unless they give Oladipo the max and want to shed money, but to me thats a team that wants to win.

I think Deni would be a godsend at SF. He may not have the highest ceiling, but I think he can start right away and be average which is tremendous for a rookie. I just dont know how we could get him. Maybe:

TPE + #44 for Kanter + #30
#14 - 17, #30, Future 1st, Simons for #6 (NKY)

Draft Deni at #6
Sign Dunn as defensive guard specialist

G - Damian Lillard / Kris Dunn
G - CJ McCollum / Gary Trent Jr
F - Deni Avdija / Trevor Ariza / Nassir Little
F - Zach Collins / Carmelo Anthony
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Enes Kanter
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Post#271 » by d-train » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:53 pm

The question I have is the question I wonder why people don't ask before listing mediocre players they think we should add to our team.

Why would Blazers wan't players that aren't as good as the players we have, or don't add some specific skill that our current players don't have? For example, Trevor Ariza is a quitting POS who isn't as good as Melo, and probably isn't as good as Hood, but he can alter our opponents options with his on-ball defense. So, it would make sense to suggest Blazers sign Ariza for VME if that option is available. TJ Warren is an example of a player that adds nothing to our team except a very expensive price tag that would limit our options to add players that could make a difference. TJ Warren isn't as good as Melo or Hood on offense and he isn't an impact player on defense.

The Blazers have a lot of inexpensive options for adding players with our draft picks and exceptions. And, we are looking forward to being a team with financial flexibility going into a offseason where there is very little money available to free agents.
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Post#272 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:12 am

Ya, lets stand pat. No way younger teams with better young talent like DEN and DAL overtake us next season.

We need to add talent to stay a HCA threat or were going to be solidly below LAL, LAC, DEN and DAL by next season.

Warren is better than both Hood and Melo on offense according to both raw and advanced stats. If he was on our team, you would crown him king. But value depreciates 95% to you if the guy isnt wearing black and red.

Then agian, IDK why I am even responding. Its not going to make any logical epiphany happen.
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Post#273 » by d-train » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:47 am

Let's not stand pat. Let's use our draft picks and exceptions to improve inexpensively, like all other good NBA franchises do.

Let's also use our strong financial position and try to take advantage of an off-season that most teams have committed too much salary to not their best players. Nuggets, for example, might have to give up 1 or 2 really good free agents if they want to re-sign Millsap and Grant.

Many teams have structured their payroll for a $140M+ salary next year and will have to drop their budgets to $120M. This will force teams to sacrifice better players than is normal. Better free agents will have fewer teams with money to pay.

The Blazers are in the catbird seat. We should take advantage of it, rather than making a dumb trade for subpar players earning salaries established in a substantially more expensive market.
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Post#274 » by GEE » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:53 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Question I have is are the Suns interested in trading him (why?) and what would they want?


It would be the Pacers, and I dont know why. Unless they give Oladipo the max and want to shed money, but to me thats a team that wants to win.

I think Deni would be a godsend at SF. He may not have the highest ceiling, but I think he can start right away and be average which is tremendous for a rookie. I just dont know how we could get him. Maybe:

TPE + #44 for Kanter + #30
#14 - 17, #30, Future 1st, Simons for #6 (NKY)

Draft Deni at #6
Sign Dunn as defensive guard specialist

G - Damian Lillard / Kris Dunn
G - CJ McCollum / Gary Trent Jr
F - Deni Avdija / Trevor Ariza / Nassir Little
F - Zach Collins / Carmelo Anthony
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Enes Kanter



So much wrong with this IMO...

First, you don't even have Rodney in your lineup. Do you think he's not a part of the Blazers' future, cause I sure do. Dude was crushing before he got hurt, and has been showing nothing but good signs in his rehab. If he's not our starting SF at the start of next season, I'll be shocked. Second, You have Ariza coming back. Highly doubt that happens. And third, I can't imagine the Blazers just dumping Simons, and the same can be said of the C's just giving Kantar away. I'm pretty sure they love the guy, just as much as we did. Simons is still dripping with potential, Dunn is no Simons.

All in all, I agree with the "birds eye" POV. I think we will see in the coming weeks that our Blazers are really, really set for the future, and a major contender for the title, if givin' a fair shake. Olshey deserves a ton of credit for building what we have... A pack of DOGS!

Dame / Simons
CJ / GTJ
"skinny" Melo / Little
Collins / Gabriel
Nurkic / Whiteside

I'm beginning to think Melo's experience, leadership, and overall play is going to get him a pretty decent 2-3 year contract offer, and I think he'll take it. Same with Whiteside. And same with Hood. IMO, I think we will gladly decline giving Ariza that $11 million, that he was definitely earning before quitting, ehrr... I mean deciding to be with family. Instead, spread that money around to the guys we already have. I hope we see this group of 12 Blazers for the next few years.

Dame / Simons / Pritchard
CJ / GTJ
Hood / Melo / Little
Collins / Melo / Gabriel
Nurkic / Whiteside

Potential DAME Dynasty :nod:
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Post#275 » by BlazersBroncos » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:05 pm

First, you don't even have Rodney in your lineup. Do you think he's not a part of the Blazers' future, cause I sure do. Dude was crushing before he got hurt, and has been showing nothing but good signs in his rehab. If he's not our starting SF at the start of next season, I'll be shocked.


I didnt have him in the lineup because I am not relying on a guy coming off an achilles injury to be anywhere close to 100% the next season. We should assume he isnt the same player next year and add talent to the roster to make up for that. Any contributions Hood gives us in 20/21 should be seen as a bonus, cherry-on-top type deal. And even when back I am not sure he is assertive or agressive enough to be a starting caliber guy on a championship team.

I'll be shocked. Second, You have Ariza coming back. Highly doubt that happens


I think it would be foolish to cut him. He is easily the best non-big man defender on the team and his 12M salary can be used as ballast for a trade during the season if something comes up.

And third, I can't imagine the Blazers just dumping Simons,


My trade doesnt have us dumping Simons, it has us moving him for a much better prospect who is a much better fit. A quality team would not be playing Simons 22 minutes per game. He isnt close to ready and is a net liability every time he steps on the floor. His advanced metrics show it all, the team is simply better when he is on the bench. He has potential but I have a feeling it never gets reached in Portland.

and the same can be said of the C's just giving Kantar away.


The idea would be they move him to avoid tax implications, especially if they give Gordon an extension if / when he opts out.

Dame / Simons / Pritchard
CJ / GTJ
Hood / Melo / Little
Collins / Melo / Gabriel
Nurkic / Whiteside

Potential DAME Dynasty :nod:


There simply isnt enough talent on that team to compete with LAC, LAL, DEN or DAL moving forward IMO. But to each his own.
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Post#276 » by Goldbum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 am

Some thoughts:
1)With Ariza back and Rodney returning sometime next year +GTJ and Little SF isn't as critical a need as it feels like right now.

2)I think the entire narrative surrounding Ant changes if he's not forced to be our primary ball handler. He could still develop into one but the best way to get him impactful minutes is off the ball.

3)Gabriel is a really nice roleplayer at the backup 4.

So if a top talented PG falls in the draft and is BPA you have to think about taking him.

The starters are likely close to set so:
Cole Anthony/ANT
Ant/GTJ
GTJ/Little
Gabriel/Little
Whiteside/2nd round pick

With Ant struggling at PG our bench has been a total dumpster fire. If you ad an effective backup PG it feels like a functional 2nd unit isn't too far off. I really like Oturu in the second round if he's there... sort of a baby Nurkic (not the playmaker but he's young).
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Post#277 » by d-train » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 am

Bob Gross will come out of retirement and rejoin the Blazers before Ariza does. Ariza's guarantee date is Oct 18. He will be waived sometime before that.
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Post#278 » by Goldbum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:35 am

d-train wrote:Bob Gross will come out of retirement and rejoin the Blazers before Ariza does. Ariza's guarantee date is Oct 18. He will be waived sometime before that.

You very well could be correct. IDK though I heard N.O. claim that acquiring Ariza was the best trade any team made during the season more than once... and of course we have the "spend what it takes during Dame's prime" way of thinking. I could see both Whiteside and Ariza back for 1 run with Collins and Nurkic (maybe Hood).
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Post#279 » by GEE » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:08 am

I forget who wrote it, but someone was voicing their frustration with not having a true, textbook style of PG. I share that feeling and will continue to be a big fan of Pritchard (kids got brass) as our Steve Blake 2.0.

I guess I could stomach bringing Ariza back, but I get the feeling it will come down to either him or Melo, but not both. Melo's play during bubble-ball will, I predict, earn him a decent 2 year offer with an option. Ariza as plan B, if Melo sees greener pastures. If I'm wrong, and both come back, I see that as a wealth of riches, but understand it would stymie Little and Gabriel. There just isn't any real need for him, especially with the price tag. Spread the $11 million around instead.

Would like to use FRP, with TPE if possible, to trade for a more Veteran player... a finishing touch.

Dame / Simons / Pritchard
CJ / GTJ / Mario?
Melo / Hood / Little
Collins / Gabriel / Vet???
Nurkic / Whiteside
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Post#280 » by Blazinaway » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:25 pm

GEE wrote:I forget who wrote it, but someone was voicing their frustration with not having a true, textbook style of PG. I share that feeling and will continue to be a big fan of Pritchard (kids got brass) as our Steve Blake 2.0.

I guess I could stomach bringing Ariza back, but I get the feeling it will come down to either him or Melo, but not both. Melo's play during bubble-ball will, I predict, earn him a decent 2 year offer with an option. Ariza as plan B, if Melo sees greener pastures. If I'm wrong, and both come back, I see that as a wealth of riches, but understand it would stymie Little and Gabriel. There just isn't any real need for him, especially with the price tag. Spread the $11 million around instead.

Would like to use FRP, with TPE if possible, to trade for a more Veteran player... a finishing touch.

Dame / Simons / Pritchard
CJ / GTJ / Mario?
Melo / Hood / Little
Collins / Gabriel / Vet???
Nurkic / Whiteside


I'd like to not have either Ariza or Melo back, with the financial strains of many teams it sure seems like we could have a solid chance to find a better SF solution

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