TRENT JR turns down extension offer

Blazinaway · Post #1 » by **Blazinaway** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:23 am

This is from the RealGM trade board post and thread:

"Gary Trent Jr. reportedly declined a 4-year/$53M contract. That's the biggest extension that he is eligible to sign before this season started.

2021-22: $12 million
2022-23: $12.96 million
2023-24: $13.92 million
2024-25: $14.88 million
Total: $53.76 million"

Guess Gary is betting on himself

soobias · Post #2 » by **soobias** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:24 am

he prob just dont to play behind cj most of his career.

imo i'de rather have trent at that price than cj at his .

d-train · Post #3 » by **d-train** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:12 am

Sounds like BS to me. Who says Blazers made any offer to Trent?

These BS stories crop up all the time. Anything you read, even from big media sources, of this nature is always BS. People who know nothing trying to bolster their standing by spreading stories they believe are plausible and can't be disproven unless Olshey comments. And, their cover is safe because Olshey isn't going to comment on nonsense.

Norm2953 · Post #4 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:50 am

One would think there is a big chance CJ gets traded next summer with potential extensions to GTJ and Zach
on the horizon.

PDXKnight · Post #5 » by **PDXKnight** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Norm2953 wrote:One would think there is a big chance CJ gets traded next summer with potential extensions to GTJ and Zach
on the horizon.

Possible I suppose but I think there's a CJ-Dame connection that makes this more touchy than it would be otherwise

As for the extension numbers mentioned I find it hard to believe GTJ turned that down and I have a hard time believing we would offer that for a guy who averaged 9 ppg last season with limited assists. He seems a lot like crabbe to me, It might be the right decision for both of us to wait it out a year and see what the market brings for his services. Who knows the way money was tossed around this off season teams may overpay for a 24 year old who can shoot.

PDXKnight · Post #6 » by **PDXKnight** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:43 am

I’d think long and hard about not matching zco if the market is too big. Yeah if it’s at or under 10 mil a year it’d be worthwhile but if the market is too outlandish the guy while a key defender has had trouble staying healthy

dunlop212 · Post #7 » by **dunlop212** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:04 pm

If PDX is looking at letting a lot of talent walk due to salary issues next year, that would effectively close the window for Lillard. Not sure CJ with his salary would be a big trading chip. Wouldn't moving Lillard make more sense than than playing Lillard with a G league bench?

JasonStern · Post #8 » by **JasonStern** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Oden2 wrote:I have a hard time believing we would offer that for a guy who averaged 9 ppg last season with limited assists.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/olshene99x.html

Skip to 2016.

dunlop212 wrote:Wouldn't moving Lillard make more sense than than playing Lillard with a G league bench?

No. Dame sells tickets.

BlazersBroncos · Post #9 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:07 pm

If PDX is looking at letting a lot of talent walk due to salary issues next year, that would effectively close the window for Lillard. Not sure CJ with his salary would be a big trading chip. Wouldn't moving Lillard make more sense than than playing Lillard with a G league bench?

This is why we need to keep open the chances for a consolidation trade. We have a nice, deep team this year but 2021 will be the same as 2019, potentially worse w/ Dame's supermax kicking in.

The pain of moving some youth due for big money for a single guy already locked up would be very smart. If not we are destined to replay summer 2019.

Soulyss · Post #10 » by **Soulyss** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:29 pm

Guys... this is simply Trent betting on himself, and I wouldn't read more into it than that.

If Trent plays like he did at the end of the year, he's going to be worth quite a bit more than that extension. I would not be surprised at all to see him outplay Malik Beasley this season who just got 4yrs/60M. Could he struggle this year? Sure.. Does Trent Jr come off as a guy who thinks about anything outside of improvement / grind? Nope.

This was the most likely outcome, I still expect Portland to sign him, it's just not going to be as team-friendly as Portland would like. I will also say if Trent plays well, and the Blazers are an early out, people might get the CJ trade they have been asking for.

d-train · Post #11 » by **d-train** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:50 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
If PDX is looking at letting a lot of talent walk due to salary issues next year, that would effectively close the window for Lillard. Not sure CJ with his salary would be a big trading chip. Wouldn't moving Lillard make more sense than than playing Lillard with a G league bench?

This is why we need to keep open the chances for a consolidation trade. We have a nice, deep team this year but 2021 will be the same as 2019, potentially worse w/ Dame's supermax kicking in.

The pain of moving some youth due for big money for a single guy already locked up would be very smart. If not we are destined to replay summer 2019.

There is no problem with repeating 2019 off-season as long as we don't also lose Collins and Nurk to injury after the off-season. You can say we should have signed another big man in 2019, but I don't remember anyone calling for another big man. We had fewer big men this off-season when Giles was the final signing and everyone was calling for a 4th PG.

Post #12 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:26 pm

I would imagine the Blazers attempted to resign Trent Jr during the off season. I dont think that should be a surprise. We may not know whether the numbers are accurate. Maybe the Blazers came in lower and that's why Trent Jr held out.

BlazersBroncos · Post #13 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:22 pm

There is no problem with repeating 2019 off-season as long as we don't also lose Collins and Nurk to injury after the off-season

We were objectively worse last season. If you think the team last year would have been as good as 18/19 had Zach and Nurkic stayed healthy then I guess we are at an impasse. Losing Kanter, Curry, Mo and Chief and replacing them with worse talent clearly hurt this team.

d-train · Post #14 » by **d-train** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:24 pm

The reason it's doubtful any early extensions were offered is none are due. The next possible early extension would be to Nurk and that's not 100%. Nurk is borderline worthy of early extension consideration. The rest of our players are role players. Nurk is only barely better than a role player, if he is at all . We should sign our remaining players to the shortest possible deals on the last possible day. This is how you avoid dumb deals that could hamstring the team from the smartest possible roster development.

JasonStern · Post #15 » by **JasonStern** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:56 am

Read on Twitter

It's not about the achievements - it's about protecting the brand.

d-train · Post #16 » by **d-train** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:56 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
There is no problem with repeating 2019 off-season as long as we don't also lose Collins and Nurk to injury after the off-season

We were objectively worse last season. If you think the team last year would have been as good as 18/19 had Zach and Nurkic stayed healthy then I guess we are at an impasse. Losing Kanter, Curry, Mo and Chief and replacing them with worse talent clearly hurt this team.

We are at an impasse.

Zach and Hassan were supposed to be good enough until Nurk got back, then we would have Nurk and Zach. Aminu and Mo were so good they lost their minutes by the end of our 18/19 playoff run. To the extent that Melo, Hassan, Bazemore, Hood, Trent, Simons, Tolliver, Skal, Hezonja, and Gabriel didn't fully replace Aminu, Mo, Kanter, ET, Curry, and Leonard, it's because it was not possible to retain Curry and Kanter. Two players who were signed knowing we could be priced out of having them longer-term. Same as our Jones and Giles signing this off-season. Would you say we should not sign Jones and Giles because we might only have them for 1 season?

It seems to me the signings since 2018 that were possibly only 1-year have been good signings. It's actually great that they were so good we couldn't afford to retain the players.

GEE · Post #17 » by **GEE** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:38 am

I think I will just enjoy what we have for now. I'm not going to speculate players' values, and if they should be traded or not. I will also doubt this buzz story until a reliable source is given. Seems like something a crappy agent would do to spark interest and gage his players' market value. If this is somehow true, then Gary's agent likely just pissed Olshey off by leaking negotiations.

The bigger point is, relax and enjoy. There will be a ton of competition for minutes, as we are pretty stacked with talent and depth, at all positions. I think Olshey is smart, did his job well, and will continue to do so with lots of options going forward into the deadline, and/or next off-season. Trying to make decisions about guys like Collins, Giles and Trent right now is just premature.

BlazersBroncos · Post #18 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:39 pm

The Kennard and Fultz extensions have to make GTJ lick his lips right now. The kid was very smart to not take this rumored extension offer.

Guys are flying off the 2021 market and teams with cap space wont sit on it, they never do. Barring injury I expect a deal in the 15M+ AV range for Jr.

d-train · Post #19 » by **d-train** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:02 pm

The CBA assures teams spend money up to the cap as well as it restricts spending more. The thing to watch is the number of years on the contracts.

I am surprised by the level of players being given longer $10M+ contracts. These are ordinary players and there isn't enough money allotted by the CBA to pay 2 star players and have ordinary players earning $10M+. A good team needs those $10M+ slots to attract very good players necessary to complement its star players.

BlazersBroncos · Post #20 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:21 pm

Derrick White just got 18M per. Thats insane. I really think that 2021 will be 2016 redux.