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Re: Trade deadline, buyouts, and waivers 

Post#361 » by Norm2953 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:44 pm

How amazing it would be if guys like Love get bought out? Not going to matter for Portland but imagine
the team the Lakers could build for they could simply dump all their minimum salary guys to create
roster space.
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Post#362 » by Oden2 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:30 pm

Schroeder offered 4/84 mil and declined! Cj looking cheaper by the minute
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Post#363 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:07 pm

Oden2 wrote:Schroeder offered 4/84 mil and declined! Cj looking cheaper by the minute


that's 12M/year less than CJ's deal

that would be something like Schroder + RoCo for the same cost as CJ
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Post#364 » by Oden2 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:33 pm

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Oden2 wrote:Schroeder offered 4/84 mil and declined! Cj looking cheaper by the minute


that's 12M/year less than CJ's deal

that would be something like Schroder + RoCo for the same cost as CJ


schroeder can’t hit a 3 doesn’t fit today’s game and puts up 10 less ppg. The most id pay him is 15 mil per for 2-3 years
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Post#365 » by d-train » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:49 pm

Schroeder is a very good player. He is better with the ball than without. He has improved without the ball in recent years. This has helped his value. It's really important on a good team to complement your teammates without the ball. Most good teams will want their best player to have the ball. And, that's likely not going to be Schroeder.
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Post#366 » by Norm2953 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:19 pm

Those $20 Million or so players are solid players and indeed Wiz' point of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is
well taken.

Let's say you can build a team around Dame + 3 of these $20 Million players + others making $12-15 Million
with rookies and others. Better that than 3 guys equally your entire cap. By all means pay the franchise
guys when you have them but build a solid middle class of guys to compliment them for we're not the Lakers
who can get the Drummond's of the world to play for them on veterans minimum deals
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Post#367 » by Oden2 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:40 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Those $20 Million or so players are solid players and indeed Wiz' point of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is
well taken.

Let's say you can build a team around Dame + 3 of these $20 Million players + others making $12-15 Million
with rookies and others. Better that than 3 guys equally your entire cap. By all means pay the franchise
guys when you have them but build a solid middle class of guys to compliment them for we're not the Lakers
who can get the Drummond's of the world to play for them on veterans minimum deals


i don’t deny the value of cap saviness but i don’t see shroeder as an example of that, he’s an overpay at that cost unless he can hit the 3’s at a higher clip and for his career he has proven he isn’t good there. Now for someone like Ben simmons maybe you can sacrifice the shooting but for a fringe starter/6th man type like Dennis i don’t think it’s worth it. Now maybe CJ in the eyes of many isn’t a “value” but his game fits the current nba better and for that reason i think he’d be pretty easy to deal even at current earnings.

I think there’s a place for guys like shroeder but compared to superstars they’re dime and a dozen. Perhaps the same could be said about guys like CJ to be fair.

I think the reality is rookie contracts are the way to go and truly to win as a small market you need to capitalize on valuable rookie years of contracts of your key players as after they re up you are in cap hell with no one decent who wants to go to a small market team on the vet min unless youre a sure fire championship contender (top 2) or close to it.
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Post#368 » by d-train » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:45 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Those $20 Million or so players are solid players and indeed Wiz' point of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is
well taken.

It's a bunch of crap. There is no good team built out of a handful of slightly above average players and 1 star player. Every good team has a top 5-7 player and 1 or 2 more stars.

It's great if you can be lucky enough to have players earning below market value. But, that's not a plan for success. That's more like winning the lottery is your financial plan.

Lakers plan is to win with LeBron and AD, not Schroeder.
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Post#369 » by d-train » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:53 pm

Schroeder at $20M+/year is resetting his pay to market. Same is going to happen for Powell. RoCo is unfortunate to have had a lousy agent cost him millions.
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Post#370 » by d-train » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:57 pm

The NBA contract market has cycles of being richly valued and tightly valued. We might be headed into a richly valued cycle.
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Post#371 » by NYG » Thu Apr 1, 2021 1:55 am

1. If the Blazers don’t get beyond the second round, would they start looking to replace their front office/coaching staff?

2. If so, would that increase the likelihood of a McCollum deal?

3. What would Portland require from a McCollum trade return?
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Post#372 » by Norm2953 » Thu Apr 1, 2021 4:24 am

d-train wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Those $20 Million or so players are solid players and indeed Wiz' point of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is
well taken.

It's a bunch of crap. There is no good team built out of a handful of slightly above average players and 1 star player. Every good team has a top 5-7 player and 1 or 2 more stars.

It's great if you can be lucky enough to have players earning below market value. But, that's not a plan for success. That's more like winning the lottery is your financial plan.

Lakers plan is to win with LeBron and AD, not Schroeder.


The WC Detroit Pistons in 2004 and Dallas Mavs in 2010 might disagree that its crap. Its not as easy granted
but not impossible.

The Lakers are in a different situation for they can get guys to play for them on minimum deals for they will
have Drummond, AD and Lebron on their front line for the playoffs. There will be nobody who will be able to
match up with them physically assuming AD and Lebron are healthy going into the playoffs. Schroeder is a
good player but doesn't need to be great with that front court
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Post#373 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Apr 1, 2021 3:25 pm

1. If the Blazers don’t get beyond the second round, would they start looking to replace their front office/coaching staff?

2. If so, would that increase the likelihood of a McCollum deal?

3. What would Portland require from a McCollum trade return?


1. No IMO.

2. Maybe, but I wouldnt count on it.

3. A player of better or similar talent at one of the forward positions and only after Powell has been locked in.

The only move I can really see that sends out CJ, balances our team and gets a player of similar talent is to MIL for Middleton. If the Bucks flounder again in the PO's, they may see CJ as a welcome shakeup. Then again, it leaves them with nothing at SF.

Pascal in a way fits the bill but I think he is fools gold.
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Post#374 » by d-train » Thu Apr 1, 2021 4:06 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
d-train wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Those $20 Million or so players are solid players and indeed Wiz' point of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is
well taken.

It's a bunch of crap. There is no good team built out of a handful of slightly above average players and 1 star player. Every good team has a top 5-7 player and 1 or 2 more stars.

It's great if you can be lucky enough to have players earning below market value. But, that's not a plan for success. That's more like winning the lottery is your financial plan.

Lakers plan is to win with LeBron and AD, not Schroeder.


The WC Detroit Pistons in 2004 and Dallas Mavs in 2010 might disagree that its crap. Its not as easy granted
but not impossible.

The Lakers are in a different situation for they can get guys to play for them on minimum deals for they will
have Drummond, AD and Lebron on their front line for the playoffs. There will be nobody who will be able to
match up with them physically assuming AD and Lebron are healthy going into the playoffs. Schroeder is a
good player but doesn't need to be great with that front court

The first point that disproves your theory is the age of your examples, 11 and 17 years ago is a long time ago. The second point that disproves your theory are your examples. Mavs 2010 and Pistons 2004 had multiple max salary players on both teams had all there contracts been priced to market when they won their championship.

Lakers are in a different situation than most team's alright, they have 2 top 5 players. But, they can still be used as an example to disprove your theory. Lakers won't win anything unless both their top 5 players are healthy when the games are played.
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Post#375 » by d-train » Thu Apr 1, 2021 4:25 pm

NYG wrote:1. If the Blazers don’t get beyond the second round, would they start looking to replace their front office/coaching staff?

2. If so, would that increase the likelihood of a McCollum deal?

3. What would Portland require from a McCollum trade return?

1. No and probably no. Olshey has done an awesome job. Nobody in their right mind would replace him. Stotts isn't going to be replaced unless there is a good reason to do so. It would depend on why we lost. By my count, Stotts has won more playoff series you would expect Blazers to lose, than series' he lost that you would expect we should have won.

2. No, it is very unlikely CJ or Lillard would be traded in the next 2 years.

3. Every potential trade has a list of reasons to do the trade, and a list of reasons not to trade. A trade won't happen until all the obstacles stoping the trade are satisfied. The latest example is the rumoured CJ for Harden trade. If any trade can happen, you would think a chance to get Harden might succeed. But, it didn't. So, if you have a player like Harden to offer, Olshey will take your call. But, no deal until there is a deal.
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Post#376 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:24 pm

Oden2 wrote:
I think there’s a place for guys like shroeder but compared to superstars they’re dime and a dozen. Perhaps the same could be said about guys like CJ to be fair.

I think the reality is rookie contracts are the way to go and truly to win as a small market you need to capitalize on valuable rookie years of contracts of your key players as after they re up you are in cap hell with no one decent who wants to go to a small market team on the vet min unless youre a sure fire championship contender (top 2) or close to it.


you're missing the forest thru the trees and getting hungup on Shroeder when he was just the first guy in the 20-24M range I thought of

try it another way...keep RoCo in the equation but instead of Schroeder, think Jaylen Brown, or Zach Lavine, or Draymond Green, or Fred VanVleet, or Jerami Grant, or Julius Randle, or Malcolm Brogdon, or Myles Turner, or Domantas Sabonis

so then think about what could be for about the same price or 2-4M/year more as CJ alone

Blazers could theoretically have a lineup of Dame-Powell-Jaylen Brown-RoCo-Nurk

or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Draymond Green-Nurk; or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Julius Randle-Nurk

obviously, there's the problem of actually landing one of those guys....unless Portland is trading CJ of course. But it can't be denied that CJ is a non-all-star player hogging a max-level-player portion of the cap
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Post#377 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:46 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
I think there’s a place for guys like shroeder but compared to superstars they’re dime and a dozen. Perhaps the same could be said about guys like CJ to be fair.

I think the reality is rookie contracts are the way to go and truly to win as a small market you need to capitalize on valuable rookie years of contracts of your key players as after they re up you are in cap hell with no one decent who wants to go to a small market team on the vet min unless youre a sure fire championship contender (top 2) or close to it.


you're missing the forest thru the trees and getting hungup on Shroeder when he was just the first guy in the 20-24M range I thought of

try it another way...keep RoCo in the equation but instead of Schroeder, think Jaylen Brown, or Zach Lavine, or Draymond Green, or Fred VanVleet, or Jerami Grant, or Julius Randle, or Malcolm Brogdon, or Myles Turner, or Domantas Sabonis

so then think about what could be for about the same price or 2-4M/year more as CJ alone

Blazers could theoretically have a lineup of Dame-Powell-Jaylen Brown-RoCo-Nurk

or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Draymond Green-Nurk; or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Julius Randle-Nurk

obviously, there's the problem of actually landing one of those guys....unless Portland is trading CJ of course. But it can't be denied that CJ is a non-all-star player hogging a max-level-player portion of the cap


Does your argument change if CJ didn't break his foot, continued playing extremely well, and made the All Star team?
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Re: Trade deadline, buyouts, and waivers 

Post#378 » by Norm2953 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:16 pm

d-train wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
d-train wrote:
It's a bunch of crap. There is no good team built out of a handful of slightly above average players and 1 star player. Every good team has a top 5-7 player and 1 or 2 more stars.

It's great if you can be lucky enough to have players earning below market value. But, that's not a plan for success. That's more like winning the lottery is your financial plan.

Lakers plan is to win with LeBron and AD, not Schroeder.


The WC Detroit Pistons in 2004 and Dallas Mavs in 2010 might disagree that its crap. Its not as easy granted
but not impossible.

The Lakers are in a different situation for they can get guys to play for them on minimum deals for they will
have Drummond, AD and Lebron on their front line for the playoffs. There will be nobody who will be able to
match up with them physically assuming AD and Lebron are healthy going into the playoffs. Schroeder is a
good player but doesn't need to be great with that front court

The first point that disproves your theory is the age of your examples, 11 and 17 years ago is a long time ago. The second point that disproves your theory are your examples. Mavs 2010 and Pistons 2004 had multiple max salary players on both teams had all there contracts been priced to market when they won their championship.

Lakers are in a different situation than most team's alright, they have 2 top 5 players. But, they can still be used as an example to disprove your theory. Lakers won't win anything unless both their top 5 players are healthy when the games are played.


Granted its more difficult with Lebron leading the way into building super teams but that team beat the first year
version of the Miami super team with one HOF player and a number of supporting players who were veterans that
was built to the skills of that one franchise player. Its the recipe of a winning championship caliber team that has
identified their star and built the complimentary pieces around that star. If needed, that Mavs team could have
replaced a highly paid player like Shawn Marion and still won to fit my premise for certainly the NE Patriots in the
NFL has proven my premise of a team built around a superstar and strong middle class group of players. Wiz'
example of Schroeder + Roco > CJ is the NBA example. What if Portland had thought the same and built their
team around Dame and used the money they are paying CJ to basically get 3 guys like Roco who are on really good
contracts.

I would argue with the buyout players reinforcing the championship caliber teams, the Nets in the East who now have
LA as their fourth option would be tough if their best player was out. The Nets board is ecstatic with LA who is going to
get a ton of open looks playing off of Kyrie, Harden and KD.
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Re: Trade deadline, buyouts, and waivers 

Post#379 » by Norm2953 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:24 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
I think there’s a place for guys like shroeder but compared to superstars they’re dime and a dozen. Perhaps the same could be said about guys like CJ to be fair.

I think the reality is rookie contracts are the way to go and truly to win as a small market you need to capitalize on valuable rookie years of contracts of your key players as after they re up you are in cap hell with no one decent who wants to go to a small market team on the vet min unless youre a sure fire championship contender (top 2) or close to it.


you're missing the forest thru the trees and getting hungup on Shroeder when he was just the first guy in the 20-24M range I thought of

try it another way...keep RoCo in the equation but instead of Schroeder, think Jaylen Brown, or Zach Lavine, or Draymond Green, or Fred VanVleet, or Jerami Grant, or Julius Randle, or Malcolm Brogdon, or Myles Turner, or Domantas Sabonis

so then think about what could be for about the same price or 2-4M/year more as CJ alone

Blazers could theoretically have a lineup of Dame-Powell-Jaylen Brown-RoCo-Nurk

or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Draymond Green-Nurk; or Dame-Powell-RoCo-Julius Randle-Nurk

obviously, there's the problem of actually landing one of those guys....unless Portland is trading CJ of course. But it can't be denied that CJ is a non-all-star player hogging a max-level-player portion of the cap


Does your argument change if CJ didn't break his foot, continued playing extremely well, and made the All Star team?


It would be next to impossible for both of Portland's guards to make the all-star team for Devon Booker playing on a
much better Phoenix team only made the ASG as an injury replacement. CJ only makes the ASG if Dame sacrifices some
of his game but even if that happened, would the average NBA ASG voter vote CJ on the team over Dame?
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Re: Trade deadline, buyouts, and waivers 

Post#380 » by Norm2953 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:34 pm

The NBA trade deadline was March 25 and the Blazers are still one player under the roster minimum after
eight days and the deadline to be eligible for the playoffs is April 9. Is there anyone out there who would
sign with Portland?

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