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Re: Game 39: Portland vs Sacramento 6:00pm Root, Root+ 

Post#7 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:55 am

Amazing to see a more or less full strength NBA team losing by 18 to the guys Portland is playing tonight
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Post#8 » by monopoman » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:58 am

I will say no matter how this season ends this is great experience for Simons, and even if we end up trading him we will have added a lot to his value if he keeps playing like this.

I would vastly prefer to keep him since we really only have 2 young prospects on the team though.
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Post#10 » by Oden2 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:43 am

monopoman wrote:I will say no matter how this season ends this is great experience for Simons, and even if we end up trading him we will have added a lot to his value if he keeps playing like this.

I would vastly prefer to keep him since we really only have 2 young prospects on the team though.


Yeah i’d say keep simons, i think with where we are at would make more sense to get a rebuild package for dame and give anfernee the reigns as the starting pg to see if he can do this consistently than to deal simons. I don’t see dame and simons being super compatible so i think if we can get a great return for dame to kick start a rebuild it could really get us in the right direction. Simons, while probably not the next dame, has shown he can be quite an effective scorer and at least at this point looks like a great asset going forward. Definitely already looks better than prospects along the lines of sebastian telfair or allen crabbe, maybe at this point he’s on a similar level to gtj but personally i think simons has more potential as a go to guy with his speed.and physical talent
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Re: Game 39: Portland vs Sacramento 6:00pm Root, Root+ 

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monopoman wrote:I will say no matter how this season ends this is great experience for Simons, and even if we end up trading him we will have added a lot to his value if he keeps playing like this.

I would vastly prefer to keep him since we really only have 2 young prospects on the team though.


Yeah i’d say keep simons, i think with where we are at would make more sense to get a rebuild package for dame and give anfernee the reigns as the starting pg to see if he can do this consistently than to deal simons. I don’t see dame and simons being super compatible so i think if we can get a great return for dame to kick start a rebuild it could really get us in the right direction. Simons, while probably not the next dame, has shown he can be quite an effective scorer and at least at this point looks like a great asset going forward. Definitely already looks better than prospects along the lines of sebastian telfair or allen crabbe


Either way I am fine with it, a Simons+CJ trade means we move all in on Dame's final years and I would be perfectly fine with that depending on the player we trade for. Now if we decide to blow it up we keep Simon's and trade Dame which I would have trouble coming to grips with more because I really like Dame, but depending on the package it would make me more fine with it.
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Post#12 » by Oden2 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 am

    Norm2953 wrote:Amazing to see a more or less full strength NBA team losing by 18 to the guys Portland is playing tonight


    Wouldn’t be surprising if e cards were flipped and the blazers lost to rookies lol
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    monopoman wrote:
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    monopoman wrote:I will say no matter how this season ends this is great experience for Simons, and even if we end up trading him we will have added a lot to his value if he keeps playing like this.

    I would vastly prefer to keep him since we really only have 2 young prospects on the team though.


    Yeah i’d say keep simons, i think with where we are at would make more sense to get a rebuild package for dame and give anfernee the reigns as the starting pg to see if he can do this consistently than to deal simons. I don’t see dame and simons being super compatible so i think if we can get a great return for dame to kick start a rebuild it could really get us in the right direction. Simons, while probably not the next dame, has shown he can be quite an effective scorer and at least at this point looks like a great asset going forward. Definitely already looks better than prospects along the lines of sebastian telfair or allen crabbe


    Either way I am fine with it, a Simons+CJ trade means we move all in on Dame's final years and I would be perfectly fine with that depending on the player we trade for. Now if we decide to blow it up we keep Simon's and trade Dame which I would have trouble coming to grips with more because I really like Dame, but depending on the package it would make me more fine with it.


    Yeah it 100 percent depends on the return either way.
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    Post#14 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:57 pm

    The most impressive improvement I have seen from Simons is his confidence and passing. We all knew he could shoot, but he is doing other things at a passable level that allows him to stay on the floor and max his elite shooting.

    I still see him as more of a super 6th man type. Ideally we can move CJ and use Simons as the backup PG/SG. Even assuming Dame and Norm get around 34mpg that leaves 28mpg for Simons, and that is assuming Norm plays no SF minutes (Which he will). Simons could easily get 30-32mpg as a bench guy.
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    Post#15 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:02 pm

    BlazersBroncos wrote:The most impressive improvement I have seen from Simons is his confidence and passing. We all knew he could shoot, but he is doing other things at a passable level that allows him to stay on the floor and max his elite shooting.

    I still see him as more of a super 6th man type. Ideally we can move CJ and use Simons as the backup PG/SG. Even assuming Dame and Norm get around 34mpg that leaves 28mpg for Simons, and that is assuming Norm plays no SF minutes (Which he will). Simons could easily get 30-32mpg as a bench guy.


    that is still 3 crappy defenders in the back court (Norm is not a good defender at all). It's also putting too much of the scoring and usage on 3 guys under 6'4. That's bad roster balance and that bad balance has been the main issue for Portland since Aldridge left. And, assuming Simons gets a contract at about Powell's level, that's still 90M a year for 3 guards. That's too much....it just perpetuates the kind of olshey-vision that created this shtshow
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    Post#16 » by Oden2 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:16 pm

    Wizenheimer wrote:
    BlazersBroncos wrote:The most impressive improvement I have seen from Simons is his confidence and passing. We all knew he could shoot, but he is doing other things at a passable level that allows him to stay on the floor and max his elite shooting.

    I still see him as more of a super 6th man type. Ideally we can move CJ and use Simons as the backup PG/SG. Even assuming Dame and Norm get around 34mpg that leaves 28mpg for Simons, and that is assuming Norm plays no SF minutes (Which he will). Simons could easily get 30-32mpg as a bench guy.


    that is still 3 crappy defenders in the back court (Norm is not a good defender at all). It's also putting too much of the scoring and usage on 3 guys under 6'4. That's bad roster balance and that bad balance has been the main issue for Portland since Aldridge left. And, assuming Simons gets a contract at about Powell's level, that's still 90M a year for 3 guards. That's too much....it just perpetuates the kind of olshey-vision that created this shtshow


    Yes the roster composition is odd but I’m not prepared to let a 22 year old playing at this level walk away for nothing. Simons, unlike other tweener guards we’ve had, seems like he’s got a real chance to be a stud moving ahead. And if we get off our butts and rebuild finally, he looks like he can develop into a starting pg. If we can get anything that isn’t negative for cj trading him would be a good chance to thin the herd. Yeah the return probably won’t be great but feels like someone has to go and norm on a value deal seems better to keep around
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    Post#17 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:13 pm

    Oden2 wrote:Yes the roster composition is odd but I’m not prepared to let a 22 year old playing at this level walk away for nothing. Simons, unlike other tweener guards we’ve had, seems like he’s got a real chance to be a stud moving ahead. And if we get off our butts and rebuild finally, he looks like he can develop into a starting pg. If we can get anything that isn’t negative for cj trading him would be a good chance to thin the herd. Yeah the return probably won’t be great but feels like someone has to go and norm on a value deal seems better to keep around


    Portland's starting PG is Dame. And a Dame/Simons back court just reboots the exact same problem of the 7 years of the Dame/CJ back court. And a Dame/Powell/CJ back court rotation is a defensive disaster and invests way too much usage and salary cap in 3 under 6'4 guards. Like I said...that is just imbalance and the Dame/CJ era has proven that kind of imbalance is toxic to contending

    What is Simons' role going to be? 6th man like Lou Williams? Williams never made more than 8M dollars. Simons will likely double that
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    Post#18 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:20 am

    One thing to note is that only DET, SAS and ORL are projected to have cap space in 2022.

    SAS and ORL seem flush with guard prospects so from the outside DET seems like the top suitor. I bet some other teams can make space relatively easy, but at this early time those are the only 3 players.

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