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Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#1 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 7, 2022 5:26 am

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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#2 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:45 pm

Beal and Zach seem to be a quick path back to the Dame-CJ / Your-Turn-My-Turn basketball.
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Post#3 » by Case2012 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:11 pm

I’m not opposed to Lavine, but I’m not as hyped on him as before especially at the cost of his new deal. We’d have to waive the whole team unless we sign and trade Ant, but even then making the money work would be very hard. I don’t buy these rumors, but I’m glad they’re out there.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#4 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:46 pm

Case2012 wrote:I’m not opposed to Lavine, but I’m not as hyped on him as before especially at the cost of his new deal. We’d have to waive the whole team unless we sign and trade Ant, but even then making the money work would be very hard. I don’t buy these rumors, but I’m glad they’re out there.


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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#5 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jun 7, 2022 11:08 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Beal and Zach seem to be a quick path back to the Dame-CJ / Your-Turn-My-Turn basketball.


Beal would be the bpa And is more talented than cj at least. Better than Simons and dame honestly
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#6 » by Nonstop » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:33 am

Idk.. This one feels like the Cronin admin is trying to make everyone look left while we go right
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#7 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:41 am

We need scoring at another position than guard. Preferably at the 4 with someone that has playmaking abilities. I think Randle could be that guy, and a race down to 11 with the CJ tpe would work nicely. We could go for Grant with that pick/bledsoe, or maybe Turner who works out with Randle every summer. Use the mle on Otto Porter, who might be looking for a bigger check after winning a chip with GS.

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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#8 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:34 am

Again with the Broncos sale closing, the agency that is handling the upcoming that sale is going to
handle the auction of the Blazers.

I'd find it difficult with a sale of the team on the horizon, I would find it difficult to believe Cronin
would get approval for any spending to exceed the tax line. That would leave out any spending
for Lavine, Beal, Randle. The team will be open for business as long as they stay behind the tax
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#9 » by m0ng0 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:53 am

Everything makes sense to just blow it up...we can't make a winner out of the pieces we have and/or possibly aquire by keeping Dame. The only thing we have that's worth much is Dame and he could get us on the right path with a few draft picks. That lowers the payroll and we just bite the bullet and DO IT!!
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Post#10 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:46 am

It doesn't make sense to trade a superstar in his prime that takes in millions of dollars in revenue. I guess if Jody is selling it doesn't matter if she completely alienates the fans, since she's never seemed to care either way but that's not going to help the valuation. The new owners would want to make that decision.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#11 » by red_power » Wed Jun 8, 2022 10:54 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:Beal and Zach seem to be a quick path back to the Dame-CJ / Your-Turn-My-Turn basketball.

At least those pairs won't be that bad combination defensively which, in fact, was a key reason why the Dame-CJ duo has never been destined to succeed on the highest level even in theory.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#12 » by Dame Lizard » Wed Jun 8, 2022 1:54 pm

I don't want us to blow-up the team (i.e. trade Dame), but I don't want us to sacrifice the future to throw a hail Mary pass on expiring contracts that simply won't be good enough to win it.

Keep Dame, use #7 to improve the team (either draft any of Jabari, Chet, Paolo, Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Dyson or trade for OG) and try our best, noting that we have a reasonable future ahead.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#13 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:12 pm

I think the moves that make the most sense are to see exactly who is available at 7 and if its
mostly guards, trade down with a team like the Knicks for a package involving 11 and other
picks and Toppin. Team could then either trade that pick for Grant or take Sochan/Eason
or one of the bigs like Wallace/Duren.

I do think if Daniels is there at 7, he will be the pick. Portland has to been pleased he agreed to
a group workout for it’s a sign he wants to be here.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#14 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:54 pm

Toppin was really putting it together and had some huge games at the end of the season so I doubt they trade him. Randle on the other hand makes perfect sense. Grabbing an all star at the cost of only moving down 4 spots would be a steal. The talent in the 7-14 range still has high caliber potential.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#15 » by JasonStern » Wed Jun 8, 2022 8:32 pm

I know the Blazers have been weak at power forward for years now, but Julius Randle is not the answer.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#16 » by Blazinaway » Wed Jun 8, 2022 10:55 pm

Case2012 wrote:Toppin was really putting it together and had some huge games at the end of the season so I doubt they trade him. Randle on the other hand makes perfect sense. Grabbing an all star at the cost of only moving down 4 spots would be a steal. The talent in the 7-14 range still has high caliber potential.


Not saying I would want Randle but I don't think he is worth anymore than a TPE trade given the yr he had
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#17 » by Case2012 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 11:03 pm

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Case2012 wrote:Toppin was really putting it together and had some huge games at the end of the season so I doubt they trade him. Randle on the other hand makes perfect sense. Grabbing an all star at the cost of only moving down 4 spots would be a steal. The talent in the 7-14 range still has high caliber potential.


Not saying I would want Randle but I don't think he is worth anymore than a TPE trade given the yr he had


He had a down year, but that doesn't mean he can't bounce back. If he was going to, Portland under Dame's leadership would be the place. It's a buy low opportunity and I'd rather do that than over pay for OG who's barely played the last 2 years. We're not gonna win a trade with Toronto, New York though...
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#18 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 8, 2022 11:59 pm

But Randle needs the ball in his hands to be effective, plus isnt a good defender.

I dont think we can realistically find a way to get Beal or Zach, nor do I think we should be aiming for high usage guards when we already have that, especially when neither are great defenders.

Bledsoe and 7 for Collins? Sign me up. Most likely the best we could hope for and IMO Collins with a vet like Dame to lead and mentor him is going to be the best version of Collins.

John only averaged 11.9 shots per game last year, thats insane given his talent. For comparison Norm averaged 13.6 for us. Finding a way to get him around 15 shots within the offensive flow and your looking at a 22ppg guy on really good efficiency (He has always been super efficient on offense). And for the talk of him being a poor defender, at least within the real of advanced stats he consistently looks good with a terrible sophomore year holding his DBPM back.
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#19 » by Dame Lizard » Thu Jun 9, 2022 12:13 am

Case2012 wrote:
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Case2012 wrote:Toppin was really putting it together and had some huge games at the end of the season so I doubt they trade him. Randle on the other hand makes perfect sense. Grabbing an all star at the cost of only moving down 4 spots would be a steal. The talent in the 7-14 range still has high caliber potential.


Not saying I would want Randle but I don't think he is worth anymore than a TPE trade given the yr he had


He had a down year, but that doesn't mean he can't bounce back. If he was going to, Portland under Dame's leadership would be the place. It's a buy low opportunity and I'd rather do that than over pay for OG who's barely played the last 2 years. We're not gonna win a trade with Toronto, New York though...
Given Randle is on $26-27M per year on a long-term contract, is not a good defender and is coming off a poor season. I don't see him as buy low, particularly if we're offering up genuine value.

If I recall correctly, his best season was his contract year too?
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Re: Kevin OConnor: Blazers targeting Beal, LaVine, or Collins. 

Post#20 » by Case2012 » Thu Jun 9, 2022 12:26 am

Randle is long, can play point forward, has a good post game, can rebound, shoot (down year aside) and create for himself. Yes he had a down year but NYC is toxic as hell. When was the last time anyone had more than one good season there? Portland's fan base is wayyyyy better than the Knicks and Randle would be playing with a genuine leader and true number one in Dame which would bring his efficiency up in theory. In the deal I proposed, we would still get the 11th pick to make another deal with as well. That's way better than Hart, Keon, The 7th and whatever else Toronto would demand for OG who's only played 45 games on average the last 2 seasons. It's a no brainer imo.
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