Reporting: Increasing Talk Portland could trade #7 to OKC Lou Dort and #12

[DusterBuster]

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FFS, if this happens, I'm done giving Cronin the benefit of the doubt and willing to just label him a flat out bad GM.

Dort is another 6'3" SG/SF.

[BlazersBroncos]

If Dort was 6'7, I would be all in on this.

I would want one of the OKC 23 FRPs + a 2nd to get in on this.

And while Cronin has the final say, there is a clear trend of Portland targeting guys that certainly would give Billups flashbacks of his DET years - hardworking, high motor defenders. These deals have Chauncey's fingerprints on them just as much as Cronin.

Looks like the FO and Billups may be in on Hart as the SF moving forward if this is the case IMO + we may be higher on the glass man at SF long term than most here take into account?

Wouldnt be surprised to flip 12 for Grant and run w/

Dame / Dort / Hart / Grant / Nurkic + Ant 6th man

Love the defense, but still going nowhere fast IMO - albeit we would still have one of Eric / Big TPE to add another asset

[Case2012]

[PDXKnight]

Terrible, dort shoots 40 percent. But makes sense he always gets fleeced in trades (cronin)

[Dame Lizard]

I've been willing to give Cronin the benefit of the doubt for January, as I think the New Orleans trade was a good one, and we got unlucky with PG getting Covid.

We got robbed on the LAC trade, but at least we dumped salary.

Cronin's on thin ice though, there's no hiding behind a poor trade now. I hate the idea of trading down for Dort (as said above, a 6'3" SF who shoots 40% FG is not a good fit for an undersized backcourt). However, if it's #12 + Dort + future 1st round pick, that'd be ok value wise.

I'm disappointed we never made a play for Danny Ainge. Surely he has to prefer being Portland's GM over a Utah executive. Ainge built this Boston core (Robert Williams, Grant Williams and Derrick White aside).

[elias808]

I've been willing to give Cronin the benefit of the doubt for January, as I think the New Orleans trade was a good one, and we got unlucky with PG getting Covid.

We got robbed on the LAC trade, but at least we dumped salary.

Cronin's on thin ice though, there's no hiding behind a poor trade now. I hate the idea of trading down for Dort (as said above, a 6'3" SF who shoots 40% FG is not a good fit for an undersized backcourt). However, if it's #12 + Dort + future 1st round pick, that'd be ok value wise.

I'm disappointed we never made a play for Danny Ainge. Surely he has to prefer being Portland's GM over a Utah executive. Ainge built this Boston core (Robert Williams, Grant Williams and Derrick White aside).

I thought DA drafted Grant and TimeLord.

[Norm2953]

Smart trade for OKC for Dort is a free agent who will need to be paid after next season.

Adding Dort and probably Grant if we trade 12 just makes Portland first round fodder in the western
conference. The problem is if we used the pick at 12, we're settling for the Tari Eason's of the world,
solid player but hardly going to be an elite player.

Just draft whoever the best player falls to them at 7. It's the simplest and easiest move to make. That
player is likely going to be a good player and he will be under a rookie contract for the next five
seasons.

[Dame Lizard]

Smart trade for OKC for Dort is a free agent who will need to be paid after next season.

Adding Dort and probably Grant if we trade 12 just makes Portland first round fodder in the western
conference. The problem is if we used the pick at 12, we're settling for the Tari Eason's of the world,
solid player but hardly going to be an elite player.

Just draft whoever the best player falls to them at 7. It's the simplest and easiest move to make. That
player is likely going to be a good player and he will be under a rookie contract for the next five
seasons.

I 100% agree with this.

If we're trading our #7, let's not pretend that decent players on expiring contracts is changing our trajectory. We'll see come Draft day.

[Dame Lizard]

If we do trade #7, I hope it's to a team that loves a higher risk high upside player like Shaedon Sharpe, in the same vein as Boston loved Justice Winslow on Draft day. OKC certainly have the assets to make a Boston-like offer for him.

[red_power]

Throwing undersized wingman to Blazers in any trade rumor seems like a no-brainer idea these days.

[PDXKnight]

If I had to guess I'd say this is all a smokescreen anyhow. Rumors go everywhere around draft day especially a team in flux such as the blazers

[Pattycakes]

In any event I’m happy were in rumors period. This team doesn’t need 17 year olds that well develop for 5 years through injury riddled seasons just to not keep anyway.

[BlazersBroncos]

7 for Dort, 12 and the DEN 23? I would have to think about that.

Dort alone isnt enough for me to move down 5 spots.

But if we get that DEN23, move Bledsoe + DEN23 + MIL25 for Grant - Take Sochan at 12 and be a defense first squad:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Lou Dort / Anfernee Simons
F - Josh Hart / Nas Little
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Jeremy Sochan

Dort is good, his numbers will rise if he isnt on a team where he is a #2 option - he regularily was creating for OKC which 100% isnt his game. Kid would get a ton more set open looks here and probably be closer to 40% from 3.

Still, he alone isnt worth moving down 5 slots.

[red_power]

Unless Blazers miss out a guy who turns out to be Kobe in 3-4 years with the #7 pick, this is a nice trade possibility in terms of value received.
Dort's stats seem to be inflated, but he's still a young rotation caliber player who doesn't mind playing hard.

Wonder if Cronin thinks about flipping the #12 pick into a package for Jerami though.

[DusterBuster]

7 for Dort, 12 and the DEN 23? I would have to think about that.

Dort alone isnt enough for me to move down 5 spots.

But if we get that DEN23, move Bledsoe + DEN23 + MIL25 for Grant - Take Sochan at 12 and be a defense first squad:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Lou Dort / Anfernee Simons
F - Josh Hart / Nas Little
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Jeremy Sochan

Dort is good, his numbers will rise if he isnt on a team where he is a #2 option - he regularily was creating for OKC which 100% isnt his game. Kid would get a ton more set open looks here and probably be closer to 40% from 3.

Still, he alone isnt worth moving down 5 slots.

In no way shape or form would Simons be coming off the bench because of Dort.

Also, his numbers won't rise on a team where he's not the 2nd option. Quite the opposite, they'd fall.

I'm always extremely skeptical of guys who put up stats on bad teams... let alone one as undersized as Dort.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if the Blazers dont come out of this offseason with at least one real PF or SG. For the love of god, can this team please field ONE **** SG who's 6'6" or above. Is that realllly too much to ask.

[valleyman33]

I agree completely with DusterBuster. Of course the trade talks that are leaked almost never happen. As reported, IMO this would be a terrible trade for Portland. Unless there are more draft picks from OKC, and maybe Mike Schmitz has identified some sleepers at lower picks. OKC is a pretty young team, and have a ton of picks to offer. After the trade with the Nuggets, they don't have the 30th pick anymore, but don't they have the 12th and 34th picks?
Also, I do not understand all the interest in Grant, I believe there are better players out there that we could get.

[JasonStern]

* #7+TPEs for Dort and Grant
* Taking someone at #36
* Not picking up Bledsoe's option and stretching the guaranteed portion
* Re-signing Simons and Nurkić
* Signing one decent player with the MLE
* Filling out the rest of the roster with minimum contracts

Not a very sexy retool/off-season. But I have no faith in Cronin as a GM and imagine he can (and might) do worse.

[BlazersBroncos]

7 for Dort, 12 and the DEN 23? I would have to think about that.

Dort alone isnt enough for me to move down 5 spots.

But if we get that DEN23, move Bledsoe + DEN23 + MIL25 for Grant - Take Sochan at 12 and be a defense first squad:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Lou Dort / Anfernee Simons
F - Josh Hart / Nas Little
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Jeremy Sochan

Dort is good, his numbers will rise if he isnt on a team where he is a #2 option - he regularily was creating for OKC which 100% isnt his game. Kid would get a ton more set open looks here and probably be closer to 40% from 3.

Still, he alone isnt worth moving down 5 slots.

In no way shape or form would Simons be coming off the bench because of Dort.

Also, his numbers won't rise on a team where he's not the 2nd option. Quite the opposite, they'd fall.

I'm always extremely skeptical of guys who put up stats on bad teams... let alone one as undersized as Dort.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if the Blazers dont come out of this offseason with at least one real PF or SG. For the love of god, can this team please field ONE **** SG who's 6'6" or above. Is that realllly too much to ask.

Ya, Simons would be starting - agreed on that.

But I was saying Dort's % likely rise on a team where he is playing to his strengths rather than being forced into a 2nd option. He is a 3/D guy, he should not be averaging 14 shots per game.

[Blazinaway]

* #7+TPEs for Dort and Grant
* Taking someone at #36
* Not picking up Bledsoe's option and stretching the guaranteed portion
* Re-signing Simons and Nurkić
* Signing one decent player with the MLE
* Filling out the rest of the roster with minimum contracts

Not a very sexy retool/off-season. But I have no faith in Cronin as a GM and imagine he can (and might) do worse.

Don't like it, both guys have one yr left on current contracts and will want to be paid and we give up the 7 pick and our TPE for that? Rather have Collins or OG who have reasonable contracts for more years Iam gettin to the point that Id just rather keep the pick and F all this other stuff, unless someone makes us a really good offer. I think there may be several teams who might want the 7 pick - lets make the sweat and pay up for it!

[Dame Lizard]

Simply put, OKC would have to include a future 1st + #12 + Dort for the trade to have any legs. Dort isn't worth much imo.

I'm going to be super disappointed of we give up anything more than Keon + Milwaukee 1st + maybe a 2nd round pick for Grant.

Portland is never going to be a free agent destination. Draft picks mean a lot to us for this reason, and we can't afford to keep sending our first round picks for players who don't move the needle.

Have we not learnt our lesson from RoCo or Larry Nance? The picks used in the RoCo + Nance + rumoured Grant trades could get us a star player.